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I think any chance we have of getting Shaw depends on him being first choice. I don't think he'd be pleased to see Evra still here.
 
Count Orduck said:
Lallana's better than Ashley Young.
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Not by a £15m-£20m margin though, replacing Young with lallana is hardly a ground breaking upgrade. No thanks, we have enough average talent in the squad no need to add to that.

Luke Shaw is a top talent though who would go on to be our left back for the next 10+ seasons, sign him up.
 
If Evra stayed Shaw would be first choice. The only question is whether Evra would be a willing back-up, which is unlikely.

Castia said:
Not by a £15m-£20m margin though, replacing Young with lallana is hardly a ground breaking upgrade. No thanks, we have enough average talent in the squad no need to add to that.

Luke Shaw is a top talent though who would go on to be our left back for the next 10+ seasons, sign him up.
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Agree on Shaw.

Lallana is a pretty big upgrade on Young in my opinion, but we also have Kagawa and Januzaj for that position so I'm not advocating it either. Young should be 2nd or 3rd choice next season, hopefully.
 
Zak Smith said:
Does anyone think his signing and losing Evra would be asking for trouble, or is he capable of coming in and straight into the team as first choice? I aint seen enough of him to make a judgment, but in my eyes an 18 yr old at LB is asking for trouble, and keeping Evra on for another season as competition would be a good idea?
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Yes I think while he has massive potential the media love for him means plenty of his mistakes get overlooked. He'd be under a totally different level of scrutiny at United.

Pexbo said:
I'm desperate for Evra to stay on and help the new LB ease into his role.
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I'd like to see Evra sign a year extension obviously with the idea of him being 2nd choice and helping the new LB settle in plus he's a big asset in the dressing room, not convinced he'd be ok with that type of position.
 
I really hope there's no 2-in-1 package bids on this and wasting a whole summer on it like we did with Baines and Fellaini. We don't need Lallana because Januzaj will be even better next season and he will definitely get much more game time as he gets older. The money is better spent on another area but Shaw definitely, he will be a top player.
 
Shaw would be great, he is a talent and would give us many years, him or Coentrao would be my favorites for the LB position. I don't think we need Lallana, imo we really don't need an attacking player more, maybe one who would add pace, but only if we sell at least 2 of Nani, Valencia or Young, then I would love to see us going for Griezmann. Lallana is good, but not that good to spend that money on him.
 
Luke Shaw would be a great signing but I am not so sure about Lallana . We should just keep Kagawa and see how Januzaj kicks on from this season . Even if we sold two from Nani, Valencia and Young Lallana still wouldn't be the player we'd need because to strike an offensive balance we need genuine pace becaus Mata, Van Persie, Januzaj and Rooney aren't very quick . Besides Southampton would want £20m+ for his services and there are better ways to use that amount on what our squad really needs .
 
itso 7 said:
Luke Shaw would be a great signing but I am not so sure about Lallana . We should just keep Kagawa and see how Januzaj kicks on from this season . Even if we sold two from Nani, Valencia and Young Lallana still wouldn't be the player we'd need because to strike an offensive balance we need genuine pace becaus Mata, Van Persie, Januzaj and Rooney aren't very quick . Besides Southampton would want £20m+ for his services and there are better ways to use that amount on what our squad really needs .
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Yeah, Lallana would surely make an unbalanced team even more unbalanced.
 
Lallana would be the most dissappointing transfer I can think of. Not because he isnt a good player, he is. But because we'd be much better off with signing at least 2 or 3 of his teammates instead.

Shaw, Lovren, Sneiderlin would all help us a lot more than Lallana would
 
Ekeke said:
Lallana would be the most dissappointing transfer I can think of. Not because he isnt a good player, he is. But because we'd be much better off with signing at least 2 or 3 of his teammates instead.

Shaw, Lovren, Sneiderlin would all help us a lot more than Lallana would
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I'd actually prefer Lallana over another injury prone defender. Lovren been great this season, but im not convinced he is better than Evans or Smalling either.
 
We already have Mata, Kagawa, Rooney, Welbeck, Januzaj, and a number of very promising youngsters out on loan playing or can play in similar positions to Lallana. I'd be very surprised if these rumours were correct.
 
I'd take Shaw and Schneiderlin for the approximated fee over Shaw+Lallana, easy. I think almost everyone agrees Lallana is a great player, he just isn't right for us right now.
 
andersj said:
I'd actually prefer Lallana over another injury prone defender. Lovren been great this season, but im not convinced he is better than Evans or Smalling either.
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I mean, he's playing as a number 10. We have Rooney, Mata, Kagawa and even Janzaj who want to play there. On the wing he's a better option than Young but that can be said of tens of players we could buy.
 
Shaw would be an excellent signing imo. Lallana would certainly be better than Young from what I've seen but still no more than a squad player. We already have too many players who are only good enough for a squad role, so why sign another in a position that already has plenty of bodies? Even if he was an upgrade on one of them he'd still be a relatively pointless signing.
 
I dont think hed be a squad player, firstly he'd cost too much too not be starting and secondly he'd probably start on the other side to Kagawa on current form. He's the only wide option we have playing better.

But again, if we're shopping at this particular club he's well down the pecking order of what our squad needs. We could find lots of players as alternatives to Lallana
 
In fact I'd probably take Chambers as competition for Rafael at right back as a better option than Lallana as well, again because there are so many options for players in Lallana's position that could improve what we have.
 
We should bring Shaw, sign Evra for another year and loan/sell Buttner.
 
Since when has being 'better than Ashley Young' been the criterion on which we sign a wide player?
Not being harsh on Lallana because I like him but I'd rather we gave Lingard/Zaha a go.
 
LR7 said:
Since when has being 'better than Ashley Young' been the criterion on which we sign a wide player?
Not being harsh on Lallana because I like him but I'd rather we gave Lingard/Zaha a go.
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Since we paid a ridiculous amount with a year on his contract, made him one of the higher earners and did it all to "bridge the gap" with Barcelona
 
Ekeke said:
Since we paid a ridiculous amount with a year on his contract, made him one of the higher earners and did it all to "bridge the gap" with Barcelona
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We could sign players who are better than Young but who still aren't good enough, or what we need though.

It's like I keep seeing in the various Moyes threads that we should sign certain managers because they'd be better than Moyes. Is that the benchmark now?
 
LR7 said:
We could sign players who are better than Young but who still aren't good enough, or what we need though.

It's like I keep seeing in the various Moyes threads that we should sign certain managers because they'd be better than Moyes. Is that the benchmark now?
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Yes. Our standards are lower now post Young and Moyes
 
Ekeke said:
Yes. Our standards are lower now post Young and Moyes
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Well the weird thing is I don't actually want us to sign a top winger. I'd rather we played Lingard/Zaha in the games Young would have played. It's just if we were to sign one, I don't see how simply being better than Young is enough.
 
Ekeke said:
Lallana would be the most dissappointing transfer I can think of. Not because he isnt a good player, he is. But because we'd be much better off with signing at least 2 or 3 of his teammates instead.

Shaw, Lovren, Sneiderlin would all help us a lot more than Lallana would
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Don't agree on Lovren, but Schneiderlin definitely. He'd be great to bolster our midfield options, he's been very good for a while now. And Shaw yes of course, really hope we get him.
 
LR7 said:
Well the weird thing is I don't actually want us to sign a top winger. I'd rather we played Lingard/Zaha in the games Young would have played. It's just if we were to sign one, I don't see how simply being better than Young is enough.
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Despite the fact he has been utterly woeful in all but one game this season?

I really don't understand where some fans get these ideas from.
 
Pexbo said:
Despite the fact he has been utterly woeful in all but one game this season?

I really don't understand where some fans get these ideas from.
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I want Zaha to succeed here more than anyone but sadly he's looked poor every time I've seen him. I'd send him out on loan again next season, see if he can turn it around. He certainly has the talent to make it.

Off topic, oops. Yay Shaw!
 
Pexbo said:
Despite the fact he has been utterly woeful in all but one game this season?

I really don't understand where some fans get these ideas from.
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Ok let's just stick with Young.

Admittedly he hasn't set the world on fire but he has potential and hasn't been woeful in all but one game.
 
LR7 said:
Ok let's just stick with Young.

Admittedly he hasn't set the world on fire but he has potential and hasn't been woeful in all but one game.
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Because that's the only two options?

We could do something crazy and invest in quality befitting of United.
 
Pexbo said:
Because that's the only two options?

We could do something crazy and invest in quality befitting of United.
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if we are going to buy one I'd obviously rather it was quality which is why I said being better than Young shouldn't be the level but I don't think the position should be a priority.
As has been said above I'd rather Shaw and Schneiderlin than Shaw and Lallana.
 
Luke Shaw is a great talent and should be our first choice, if we get him but I can't see Evra wanting to be second-fiddle to him. He's got too much of an ego to settle for second spot. I'm not even sure if Buttner would be willing to accept another season as 2nd choice. We would be passing up on a chance to secure a real talent so let's go out and get him.
 
Shaw would be perfect for first choice LB next year. No europe, expectations are so low he cant go wrong.

Not often we get that at utd
 
LR7 said:
Ok let's just stick with Young.

Admittedly he hasn't set the world on fire but he has potential and hasn't been woeful in all but one game.
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Young does not have potential. He's 28 (soon to be 29) and what you see now is the finished product which simply isn't good enough for United.

I also don't think Lallana should be a target since he's 25 which surprises some people and on the back of one good season with a price tag of 20m+. We could get much better value on the continent for that type of money.
 
JaapStam1986 said:
Luke Shaw is a great talent and should be our first choice, if we get him but I can't see Evra wanting to be second-fiddle to him. He's got too much of an ego to settle for second spot. I'm not even sure if Buttner would be willing to accept another season as 2nd choice. We would be passing up on a chance to secure a real talent so let's go out and get him.
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If Evra wasnt willing to fight for his spot or play backup if Shaw is playing better than him, then we need to sell him. At his age and current level he cant afford those expectations
 
goin4glory said:
Young does not have potential. He's 28 (soon to be 29) and what you see now is the finished product which simply isn't good enough for United.

I also don't think Lallana should be a target since he's 25 which surprises some people and on the back of one good season with a price tag of 20m+. We could get much better value on the continent for that type of money.
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My post wasn't very clear but if you scroll up the rest of the conversation I was talking about potential regarding Zaha.
 
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