Luke Shaw | Deal done! Almost...

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Manchester United are aiming to secure a £30 million deal forSouthampton defender Luke Shaw before the World Cup after moving ahead of Chelsea in the race to sign the teenager.

With club scouts also being dispatched to watch Borussia Dortmund midfielder Marco Reus during Saturday’s 3-0 victory against Bayern Munich at the Allianz Arena, United are intensifying their efforts to bolster their squad following David Moyes’s disastrous first season in charge.

Although Moyes’s future as manager remains in doubt, United are pressing ahead with attempts to recruit the players the Scot has identified as key targets. And United are confident of being able to persuade Southampton left-back Shaw to reject Chelsea, whom he supported as a boy, in favour of a move to Old Trafford to replace Patrice Evra.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-Southampton-left-back-Luke-Shaw-for-30m.html
 
Interesting, I was almost thrown out for my comments a week or so ago.

Well see what else materialises soon hopefully more links and bids.
 
Its hard not to get excited when the same rumour keeps coming up constantly. Especially after the Mata signing.
 
£30m for an 18 year old left back? That's just about what Eden Hazard cost!

If he wasn't English he'd cost half that. Insanely overpriced.
 
Orc said:
£30m for an 18 year old left back? That's just about what Eden Hazard cost!

If he wasn't English he'd cost half that. Insanely overpriced.
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That me might but in the long term it's worth it. Also, I doubt it's £30m in full, I would assume some of the fee will be performance related. We would have a world class LB for years, I don't see the issue.
 
PlayerOne said:
What papers are reporting this?
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The Mail and the Star at least, probably others. Usually you wouldn't trust a word either of those say but the fact that the exact same story is in several papers suggests this has been briefed by someone close to the deal, presumably Ed Woodward given how much briefing he's done to the press since becoming chief executive.
 
PlayerOne said:
That me might but in the long term it's worth it. Also, I doubt it's £30m in full, I would assume some of the fee will be performance related. We would have a world class LB for years, I don't see the issue.
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It's only worth it in the long term if he avoids injury and actually makes the step up. He's a great prospect no doubt but you can't justify whatever price you want just because he could potentially stay for years.

Not really sure how Shaw can be seen to be worth £30m when he's proven pretty much nothing yet...but I guess that's just me.
 
RORY65 said:
The Mail and the Star at least, probably others. Usually you wouldn't trust a word either of those say but the fact that the exact same story is in several papers suggests this has been briefed by someone close to the deal, presumably Ed Woodward given how much briefing he's done to the press since becoming chief executive.
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Ah right, in that case it does seem to be case. Ogden is very reliable, so even if him alone reporting is enough for me but all this makes me more confidant.
 
Bob Loblaw said:
It's only worth it in the long term if he avoids injury and actually makes the step up. He's a great prospect no doubt but you can't justify whatever price you want just because he could potentially stay for years.

Not really sure how Shaw can be seen to be worth £30m when he's proven pretty much nothing yet...but I guess that's just me.
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You pay the going rate or you miss out. If Chelsea were interested then that alone would drive up the price. Add in the fact he's English, still young and he came through one of the best academies in the country and fee starts to make a bit more sense.
 
PlayerOne said:
That me might but in the long term it's worth it. Also, I doubt it's £30m in full, I would assume some of the fee will be performance related. We would have a world class LB for years, I don't see the issue.
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For 30m I'd be expecting an already world class player who's been the best in his position for years. That or a talent like Hazard or Neymar who you can tell will be Ballon d'Or finalists soon enough.

30m for unproven potential is ridiculous. If we got him for 20m I'd say hell yes, 25m at an absolute stretch. But 30m? Sweet Jesus that's a lot!
 
Orc said:
For 30m I'd be expecting an already world class player who's been the best in his position for years. That or a talent like Hazard or Neymar who you can tell will be Ballon d'Or finalists soon enough.

30m for unproven potential is ridiculous. If we got him for 20m I'd say hell yes, 25m at an absolute stretch. But 30m? Sweet Jesus that's a lot!
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30m wouldn't get Hazard or Neymar. Chelsea had to pay other fees to Hazard's agent and Neymar was about double that. £30m would probably be overpriced, but I'm not paying it and he's a class player.
 
Orc said:
For 30m I'd be expecting an already world class player who's been the best in his position for years. That or a talent like Hazard or Neymar who you can tell will be Ballon d'Or finalists soon enough.

30m for unproven potential is ridiculous. If we got him for 20m I'd say hell yes, 25m at an absolute stretch. But 30m? Sweet Jesus that's a lot!
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Ferdinand was £30m and was nowhere near world class when we signed him.
 
PlayerOne said:
You pay the going rate or you miss out. If Chelsea were interested then that alone would drive up the price. Add in the fact he's English, still young and he came through one of the best academies in the country and fee starts to make a bit more sense.
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Yeah, you would miss out. Doesn't mean you should be held to ransom, there's plenty of young left backs out there who have the same potential as Shaw without carrying the same ridiculously inflated price tag - Alberto Moreno would be one. How many full backs have moved for anywhere near that price? Dani Alves, Coentrão and Sergio Ramos are the only three I can think of.
 
Orc said:
For 30m I'd be expecting an already world class player who's been the best in his position for years. That or a talent like Hazard or Neymar who you can tell will be Ballon d'Or finalists soon enough.

30m for unproven potential is ridiculous. If we got him for 20m I'd say hell yes, 25m at an absolute stretch. But 30m? Sweet Jesus that's a lot!
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I'd be inclined to agree, but as we've seen with SAF, you pay the going rate or get left behind. 30m ten years ago got you the very best, but time change. Someone is only worth what someone else is willing to pay for them, and we need to cough up or get left behind.
 
We were just talking about Baines and Coentrao last summer at £15-18m and they're two of the best fullbacks in the world. Twice the players Shaw is currently. Even if Baines were 5 years younger I couldn't see him costing £30m. I get that we'd be buying based on potential, but I can't help but feel that's a HUGE risk.

Not my money and I'd be delighted to have him here, but it just seems excessive.
 
Wasn't it 25 mil last week? Now 30 mil, what has he done in one week? Just sign Coentrao ffs!
 
That is an extortionate amount of money for a young player, particularly being a fullback also. I would prefer him to Coentrao purely for the fact our left back position would be safe for the next ten to fifteen years, but it's still crazy money for a player like Shaw.
 
Just a point: Rio's fee seemed very big, but we had years of excellent service out of him.
 
I'd value him at £20m in today's market. Which means, obviously, that buyers will claim he is worth £15m and Southampton that he's worth £30m.

As always, I don't actually care if we overpay for him, since over the last few years we seem to have had a serious imbalance between the money brought in by our ever-growing commercial operation and the money going out to actively address weaknesses in our squad. Yes, we've spent money each summer, but far too few of those signings have represented positive moves to address the key holes in the squad - maybe only Valencia, Jones, Kagawa and RVP, really. And no-one for the most gaping vacancy, in CM.

CM remains the perennial concern, and LB appears to be this year's 'seasonal' one. So if the boys in charge want to spend £30m on Shaw to fulfil the latter requirement, I'd have no problem with it whatsoever.
 
Bob Loblaw said:
there's plenty of young left backs out there who have the same potential as Shaw without carrying the same ridiculously inflated price tag - Alberto Moreno would be one.
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I don't think Moreno is as good as Shaw personally, he seems good going forward but I don't think he looks as solid defensively, I'd probably say he's a level lower along with Bernat. Then there's Digne at PSG, Alex Sandro at Porto, who else would you say looks to have the potential that Shaw does?
 
Bob Loblaw said:
Yeah, you would miss out. Doesn't mean you should be held to ransom, there's plenty of young left backs out there who have the same potential as Shaw without carrying the same ridiculously inflated price tag - Alberto Moreno would be one. How many full backs have moved for anywhere near that price? Dani Alves, Coentrão and Sergio Ramos are the only three I can think of.
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Not many young LBs are as good as Shaw and Moreno isn't either. Weren't people saying the same thing about Rio? Looked how that turned out.
 
30m is standard now.I dont Expect us to pay nothing below this figure for any player this summer. WC has a huge impact as does our position and state.

IMO I don't expect Moyes has anything to do with signings from now on. It seems the board have made their decision and he will be gone as soon as the CL is mathematically impossible.
 
Joemo said:
I don't think Moreno is as good as Shaw personally, he seems good going forward but I don't think he looks as solid defensively, I'd probably say he's a level lower along with Bernat. Then there's Digne at PSG, Alex Sandro at Porto, who else would you say looks to have the potential that Shaw does?
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Bernat was another I was thinking of. Don't really watch French or Portuguese football so I'd only be going on their reputation (although Alex Sandro has impressed me for Brazil) if I said they had the same potential, but yeah they're possibilities.

I think the difference of opinion here is I don't think Shaw is as good as people say he is - for me he's still at the "wow, he's great for an 18 year old" stage rather than just being outright quality. He's still a lot to prove, especially going forward, so I don't see why he's already at the pretty much record-breaking full back transfer level already...
 
Mel_F said:
I'd be more concerned about the bit about Kagawa leaving.
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I wouldn't be. Recently Moyes has been playing him much more (starting him in the second leg against Bayern was a big statement, albeit also obviously the right choice), and his form has been really good. Showing against Newcastle that he and Mata can play well together can't have hurt either. I think the signs are good for him at the moment.
 
Mel said:
I'd be more concerned about the bit about Kagawa leaving.
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Gawd...one of the many disappointments about this season is that most of the 'myths' regarding Moyes seem to be true. I really wanted to give him a chance too. Sadly, it appears that we'll end up with a team of hard-running Moyes loyalists instead of imaginative individuals. Gah.
 
hungrywing said:
Only real 'problem' is this looks like Moyes will be given until next season.
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Not necessarily. City and Chelsea agreed their deals for Fernandinho and Schurrle whilst managerless (though I believe they were signed and sealed after their new managers took over)
 
I don't mind us paying these sort of fees as I rate Shaw really highly. However Rio had a hell of a let more pedigree when he came. Just looked it up and he was signed by Leeds for £18m, was an integral part of their team that made the CL semi finals, he'd played plenty of football for England and also had over 5 seasons playing in the PL as well. Like I said, I have no problem with us paying this sort of money but the situation with Rio was very different.
 
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