If our young players are good enough they'll stand out a mile - just like Adnan & Wilson is now. If not, we have to invest outside the club or we'll be left behind & then we'll be in Liverpool territory after their last League win in 89/90..
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If our young players are good enough they'll stand out a mile - just like Adnan & Wilson is now. If not, we have to invest outside the club or we'll be left behind & then we'll be in Liverpool territory after their last League win in 89/90..
As I said, his transfer fees will not be a concern to me as it always gets repaid if he does well for us. But if he starts out on 85k/week as an 18 year old for us and stays here successfully for even 5 years, he would be on a salary better than most of our earners. Don't know how well that will go down.
We wouldn't not invest in young players any more or less than in the past, however its a low percentage way to deal with things. We are lucky to have one recent youth player (now Januzaj) come through to the first team. Realistically, there are no more spots for youth players to actually break through to tangible, long term first team positions, unless they are exceptional talents like Januzaj. Despite the inevitable hype about certain youngsters, I don't think we have anyone even remotely close to him at the moment. Therefore, if we want to win, we will need to buy established, world class type players or else be prepared for more of the same of what we've seen this year.
The Prem has 25 player squad quota - of which, 17 can be non home-grown, but the rest have to be. The U-21's squad can be used at any time, which is excellent of course.
We cant afford to make use of the U-21's as much as we like, because they're not better than what we have in a poor showing 1st team squad. So the only thing we can do, is get rid of the deadwood, get some top-class players in & hope that some of the younger lads learn off them. But the main focus should be on gettin established top-class players in right now & not this wait & hope dream we all have.. Thats a later day.. but still keepin an eagle eye on it of course...
Shaw has over 60 appearances for Southampton, he's been an important player for them for 2 seasons now. Januzaj won us the Sunderland game, and was brilliant in countless others, and while his impact for us was huge, I just think it's too far to state he's done more for us this season than what Shaw has achieved in two.
We'll just have to disagree...
If there was one player to splash out on it would be this guy. He will be a first teamer for the next 10-15 years. Absolutely incredible were short of a LB and your questioning the signing.
Rafael didn't have this kind of universal hype. Didn't play every week as a teenager either given it was United.
Richards broke into the City side as a right back and made his England debut as a right back too. Everyone always said he'd end up a top centre half but as you say there were issues positionally and his best performances always came on the right.
I remember watching him for England and he looked an absolute cert to take over from Neville as England's right back for a decade. He seemed to have absolutely everything you wanted from a full back and I don't remember anyone questioning him at the time. Faded into obscurity now.
I agree Shaw looks brilliant and looks like he will get a lot better. But it's never ever a sure bet.
I think people are questioning the quoted price and wages rather than the signing itself. Price I have no problem with, wages seem a little high for an 18 year old. What I think a lot of people are forgetting is that if we didn't offer those wages, the likes of Chelsea/City will. He is going for big money, and will be on big wages. Whoever he ends up joining, you can guarantee he will be earning £70k+. That's football now, unfortunately.
Quite frankly, I don't care how much he'd be on. If we can win the race for his signature we will have a good left back, with the potential to be a world class one, and our and England's LB for the next 15 years.
This is how I see it, whatever money Chelsea or City offer we should match and outdo. Ive seen a few places that Madrid are sniffing about too. I dont care if hes on 85k well have a top top talent for years to come and whats more it would be another "signal of intent"
The cheaper less hyped alternative would be Ben Davies, cracking left back for Swansea and Wales.
Has showed as much if not more promise over the past 2 seasons than Shaw.
I would be delighted with Shaw mind.
Has showed as much if not more promise over the past 2 seasons than Shaw.
I would be delighted with Shaw mind.
I really don't have an issue with the price being mentioned when it's clear the majority of it is because if he meets his potential then you'll have a world class home grown LB for 15 years. Rooney was a huge fee as well and he could go on to be the clubs highest ever goalscorer, so in hindsight 27m for him was a bargain. It would be a good sign of intent on our part as well since this is the type of deal we made throughout the years under SAF until the Glazers showed up, always looking to get the best British players.
It's funny when people say "if you sign xxx 18yr old you've got (insert position) sorted for the next 10+ years as if the contract that player signs now ties him to the club for that long.
I wonder how many real life cases/precedents(excluding club grown talent) there has been, when a club has bought an expensive young player at 17/18 and he ends up giving them 10-15yrs of quality service.
I wonder how many real life cases/precedents(excluding club grown talent) there has been, when a club has bought an expensive young player at 17/18 and he ends up giving them 10-15yrs of quality service.
Rooney
We didn't even buy Giggsy !
Let's just get both. If Evra leaves, which I think he will, we will need two left FBs anyways I feel. Unless Büttner is not going to be shipped off then we might only need one.
Rooney.
Sergio Ramos. Well, it's only 9 years so far, but do you see him going anywhere?
Walcott's 8 years in.
It doesn't really matter anyway - most likely you either get a long term fixture in your side, or you sell him on for more than you paid.
Regarding English players - it's much more likely they will stay long term. You're unlikely to sell them to a rival and not many get the chance to go to Real Madrid or Barcelona - some might not even want to move abroad anyway.
Well no, Richards didnt look that good on the right, was questioned over his ability on the ball and thats why Capello dropped him. He was a CB playing RB when the team needed him to ala Jones and Smalling
Rooney was pretty much the only high profile player I could remember and even at that, if Fergie had stayed on for a few more years, Rooney wanted to leave and might have done so last summer. There's probably more evidence to show Shaw will probably not be at LB at United for the next 15yrs, than there is that he would.
Not a reason not to splurge on him btw, just wanted to point out that the xxx position sorted for the next 15 years doesn't usually work that way, either by the player leaving or someone better coming along. Of course, fingers crossed on players like De Gea and Januzaj
Yeah it doesn't always work out. Nani and Anderson were regarded by many as long-term replacements for Giggs and Scholes but have barely outlasted them at the club. When we signed the twins many thought that we had sorted our full-back positions for the foreseeable future. Jones and Smalling have not yet 'sorted' our centre-back worries and we may have to invest more to do so.
He supports Chelsea; Chelsea need a left back and they can afford the fee. Madness if they let him come to us.
Ramsey supports United, we had a lack of quality in CM and we could afford the fee. Where is he?
He's at Arsenal
Also just seen that he has the third most dribbles from fullback in the league this season after Seamus Coleman and Glen Johnson. 33rd most dribbles of all players in the league, with Coleman being 17th.
Evra is joint 99th
Evra is joint 99th
Ah but he was at United once. Remember when the club website announced that we'd signed him from Cardiff? Somebody must have a screenshot of that.
Add to that Smalling, who was an Arsenal supporter but, ended up picking us.
Obviously growing up a supporter will play a part - though it is hard to gauge with a lot of players how much of a part it will play in their decision if given a choice of clubs.
How big a Chelsea supporter is he? Die hard to the bone - then yeah it could have a big part, otherwise I think it will be a matter of who can offer him the most "guaranteed" playing time and also let him express himself the most as both of us will offer a good wage package. I think if Evra leaves then we can show him we really have no one else but, him whereas Chelsea can still call on Azpilicueta. Both I think make use of fullbacks for attacking but, perhaps we can edge it by the fact that attacking is in our DNA and what we expect a lot of from our fullbacks.
If we really are going to go for him, then hopefully we've already done our fair share of marketing, it may be hard to swallow because as United we want to feel we shouldn't have to but, in this day and age - we've got to.
He'll pick Chelsea due to supporting them, only after thinking about playing time, chances of success, money and the rest of it. There's a high chance he'll pick Chelsea but due to the other things, not the fact he's a supporter. He's a young professional footballer who will do whats best for his career
Pleased with his club's win tonight.
Delighted if he does sign for Chelsea. The fee is preposterous for a decent young leftback. Do not want at that price.
Even though players do join other teams they didn't support, I don't think Shaw will follow that suit.
He'll be at Chelsea next season.
He'll be at Chelsea next season.
Don't want him for 85 k per week, I don't have much issue with the fee, but if he starts with 85 k (some of our senior players are on that much) and negotiates his contract in 3 years then he will ask for what? 130/140 k? And in 3 more years when he will be only 24 for 200 k? When he then will be Rooney's age he might as well be on 500 k! Rooney at least has done a lot for the club and as an attacking player makes us a lot of money (marketing wise). A defender will never do the same. I don't mind paying good players high wages, but 85 k is taking the piss! Would rather have Coentrao.
We don't need him. Our left back is 24 years old and fantastic.
It's amusing how everybody seems to know the money we'll be paying a player that is at another club.
Surely his long term future is at RB anyway.
Ivanovic is very good and offers something different in attack than most full backs (a genuine aerial threat).
Ivanovic is suspended for the Semi so I will be interesting to see how he does there after playing on the left.
Even if it was, Ivanovic is one of the best and just turned 30. Chelsea wont have to consider anything till he's about 31 and theres absolutely nothing wrong with Azpilecueta at left back
Ivanovic has done well, better than most with converting from CB to RB however I think you'd be better off playing Azpi at RB and then Shaw, if you sign him, at LB. I think it would be a better balance.
Didn't he tweet about us after the Bayern game last week?
He's certainly no Gareth Barry.
Is there any reason he would have to move this summer? Maybe he'd be up for waiting for his ideal move. Either way, not holding my breath.
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