Luke Shaw | Deal done! Almost...

[walsh]

I still find £30m for an 18 year old leftback absolutley crazy money !

I know he is a ton of potential, I know he could be a great leftback for us for over 10 years. Yet some people on here are talking about it, like it is written in stone. Again he is 18, we are buying largley for potential, because the performances I have seen from him (altough very good for someone only 18) just aren't worth £30m. He could fail to realise the massive expecations that come with such a price tag, there are plenty of players many tought would be worldbeaters when they were 18-19 year old and later turned out not be so good afterall, it is still potential to be one of the best leftbacks, he isn't one already. Even if he realises it, £30m for a leftback is crazy, that is the most expensive leftback in the history of the game, it is absurd how good he will have to become in his position to be worth this kind of money. Also people saying we'll have him for 10 years, he isn't signing a 10 year contract, so stating he'll be our leftback solution for the next decade and that he will be the best leftback on the planet during that time is very premature, £30m is feckload of money, truely unprecedented so much money for such a young player, on the fecking leftback position. It may work out and it may turn out to be a very good transfer, but there is a very real chance it may also turn out to be one of the most reckless wastages of money.

Ow and did I mention a ton of good players are availble for the leftback position, that would only cost half of what Shaw costs. Madness, just coming from some neutral foreign forum and most of them think we are absolute mad and our transferpolicies are amongst the worst on the planet. Some Juve fan pointing out that for the money we spend on Herrera and Shaw they got about their entire team together (including Vidal, Pirlo, Pogba, Tevez, Lorenthe, Asamoah, Ogbonna, Isla, Giovinco etc). 80 million euro, that is alot of money we spend, and both players aren't worldclass (yet), it is a bit crazy for that money you would expect more, more quality or simply more players.

I'am happy about these signings don't get me wrong, we need them bad, but it is a shitload of money we spend on them. Including the fees we paid for Mata and Fellaini we already spend £123.5million on 4 players, that is a feckload of money and did we buy so much for that ? We have truely become reckless spenders, desperation is clearly sinking into our transferplans. I hope the 2 new guys will work out, because if they don't we've truely spend a small fortune on them.

It's not your money, don't worry about it. We generate a lot more than clubs like Juventus, why are you comparing us to them and not the spending of other behemoth clubs?

You seem the type of person who needs to save face in every aspect, like you feel ashamed of the club spending loads of money on unproven players. Did you feel and act this way when we signed Ferdinand and Rooney? They turned out alright, didn't they?

 

[Mister Ed]

It's not your money, don't worry about it. We generate a lot more than clubs like Juventus, why are you comparing us to them and not the spending of other behemoth organisations?

Because I want this club to be well managed and I don't want it to be like City, PSG or even Real, Barcelona. It is not my money, that is true, yet I take some kind of pride or counsellation out of the fact money at this club is being spend in a rational smart manner, it is supposed to be what sets us apart from the previously mentioned clubs and it gives the succes we get a more powerfull meaning, it makes it more satisfactory because you know the way in which we achieved it is sustainable. In short no it may not be my money but that doesn't mean I don't care about the way it is being spend and the way it is being spend by this club in the last couple of years is not to my liking. We have refused to spend when we could get really good players for sensible deals, we have said no to players we can only dream about now because of the principle of a millions more here and there on agent fees, yet we have spend absurd money on players we don't need and that aren't good enough, especially if they carry the english nationality we always like to pay atleast 50% more than what they are worth. Herrera I could understand because of his contract and our need for a very good MF but Shaw is just utter madness, no other way to describe it.

Again I'am happy with these 2 players, but both of them together are worth perhaps £40 mil, we have paid close to £60m for them. I would like to see our money being spend a bit better.

 

[The Neviller]

Two really good signings made in areas we badly need strengthening, and people are moaning about the money we're spending. If we bought average players for small fees the same gonks would be moaning about how tight we are. And "value in the market" or some other shite.

Honestly, what the feck is wrong with United fans? Can we not just be happy that we're strengthening?

You cnuts are ruining Herrera/Shaw/Woodward day.

 

[Brightonian]

Two really good signings made in areas we badly need strengthening, and people are moaning about the money we're spending. If we bought average players for small fees the same gonks would be moaning about how tight we are. And "value in the market" or some other shite.

Honestly, what the feck is wrong with United fans? Can we not just be happy that we're strengthening?

You cnuts are ruining Herrera/Shaw/Woodward day.

Quite.

 

[Raul Madrid]

Two really good signings made in areas we badly need strengthening, and people are moaning about the money we're spending. If we bought average players for small fees the same gonks would be moaning about how tight we are. And "value in the market" or some other shite.

Honestly, what the feck is wrong with United fans? Can we not just be happy that we're strengthening?

You cnuts are ruining Herrera/Shaw/Woodward day.

Yup, there is just no pleasing some people. Two good signings imo.

 

[Sherzad]

Because I want this club to be well managed and I don't want it to be like City, PSG or even Real, Barcelona. It is not my money, that is true, yet I take some kind of pride or counsellation out of the fact money at this club is being spend in a rational smart manner, it is supposed to be what sets us apart from the previously mentioned clubs and it gives the succes we get a more powerfull meaning, it makes it more satisfactory because you know the way in which we achieved it is sustainable. In short no it may not be my money but that doesn't mean I don't care about the way it is being spend and the way it is being spend by this club in the last couple of years is not to my liking. We have refused to spend when we could get really good players for sensible deals, we have said no to players we can only dream about now because of the principle of a millions more here and there on agent fees, yet we have spend absurd money on players we don't need and that aren't good enough, especially if they carry the english nationality we always like to pay atleast 50% more than what they are worth. Herrera I could understand because of his contract and our need for a very good MF but Shaw is just utter madness, no other way to describe it.

Again I'am happy with these 2 players, but both of them together are worth perhaps £40 mil, we have paid close to £60m for them. I would like to see our money being spend a bit better.

So who do you suggest we should buy instead of shaw.? We won't have every transfer window like this, we are probably trying to sort the core off our team then start promoting from youth or buy young players. We won't do Madrid/PSG etc and spend huge amount every transfer window. This transfer window is just one-off, so stop worrying and enjoy the ride.

*i can feel a long post coming my way

 

[walsh]

Two really good signings made in areas we badly need strengthening, and people are moaning about the money we're spending. If we bought average players for small fees the same gonks would be moaning about how tight we are. And "value in the market" or some other shite.

Honestly, what the feck is wrong with United fans? Can we not just be happy that we're strengthening?

You cnuts are ruining Herrera/Shaw/Woodward day.

No is the answer to this for some people. People actually describing the Shaw fee as 'madness' as if they're more concerned about the outlay than people who work and run the bloody club. As if people professionally qualified to make financial decisions and who's jobs rely on them are just going to throw money around willy-nilly.

 

[An Irish Red]

Two really good signings made in areas we badly need strengthening, and people are moaning about the money we're spending. If we bought average players for small fees the same gonks would be moaning about how tight we are. And "value in the market" or some other shite.

Honestly, what the feck is wrong with United fans? Can we not just be happy that we're strengthening?

You cnuts are ruining Herrera/Shaw/Woodward day.

I don't get it either. Some people just like complaining.

 

[bugmat]

Because I want this club to be well managed and I don't want it to be like City, PSG or even Real, Barcelona. It is not my money, that is true, yet I take some kind of pride or counsellation out of the fact money at this club is being spend in a rational smart manner, it is supposed to be what sets us apart from the previously mentioned clubs and it gives the succes we get a more powerfull meaning, it makes it more satisfactory because you know the way in which we achieved it is sustainable. In short no it may not be my money but that doesn't mean I don't care about the way it is being spend and the way it is being spend by this club in the last couple of years is not to my liking. We have refused to spend when we could get really good players for sensible deals, we have said no to players we can only dream about now because of the principle of a millions more here and there on agent fees, yet we have spend absurd money on players we don't need and that aren't good enough, especially if they carry the english nationality we always like to pay atleast 50% more than what they are worth. Herrera I could understand because of his contract and our need for a very good MF but Shaw is just utter madness, no other way to describe it.

Again I'am happy with these 2 players, but both of them together are worth perhaps £40 mil, we have paid close to £60m for them. I would like to see our money being spend a bit better.

Rio was £30million in 2002 and that turned out well - in today's climate this is a bargain! He's a LB so he'll probably contribute a few goals too!

 

[PlayerOne]

Two really good signings made in areas we badly need strengthening, and people are moaning about the money we're spending. If we bought average players for small fees the same gonks would be moaning about how tight we are. And "value in the market" or some other shite.

Honestly, what the feck is wrong with United fans? Can we not just be happy that we're strengthening?

You cnuts are ruining Herrera/Shaw/Woodward day.

Spot on, but fans will always moan, even if we buy Messi. Shaw for £27m isn't a bad deal, considering we could have him for 10 years or so, thus it's a worthy investment.

 

[Bojan11]

Shaw fee is madness. But sadly we have to join in the madness due to these oil clubs.

Good signing and that's all that matters to me.

 

[walsh]

Spot on, but fans will always moan, even if we buy Messi. Shaw for £27m isn't a bad deal, considering we could have him for 10 years or so, thus it's a worthy investment.

Yeah but he's not already world-class and might get injured at some point in the future so let's just stick with renewing Evra each year until he dies.

 

[Vialli_92]

If he turns out to be half the player Ashley Cole was it still wont be a bad investment imo. The potential is there to be a top class LB lets see if he can go onto be one of the best LB's out there.

 

[Brophs]

Shaw fee is madness. But sadly we have to join in the madness due to these oil clubs.

Good signing and that's all that matters to me.

It's different to what they're doing, though, in that we're buying a young, British player who could well be a mainstay of the side for well over a decade. But yeah, in terms of fees we're having to go all in. We've been out of step in the market for a while and the business we're doing at the moment, while pretty heavy in terms of fees for players that aren't yet at the top table, might prove to be a bargain in the long run if they train on and become successful.,

 

[walsh]

I'd much rather we overpay for a player we are clearly determined to sign rather than turning up at a long list of clubs with £15m asking if we can have their left back. It's an investment, one that has a very low risk of backfiring if you've watched him play a few times.

 

[Matador8]

Nothing no Shawrer about this deal. How's that for originality?.

Night.

 

[goin4glory]

Two really good signings made in areas we badly need strengthening, and people are moaning about the money we're spending. If we bought average players for small fees the same gonks would be moaning about how tight we are. And "value in the market" or some other shite.

Honestly, what the feck is wrong with United fans? Can we not just be happy that we're strengthening?

You cnuts are ruining Herrera/Shaw/Woodward day.

Touche

 

[ricky-romeo]

fee is way over what it should be imo but you got to pay if you want something. understandably being young, talented and english is going to add an extra few million (in this case quite a lot of million)into the player's price these days.

on the positive side we are getting an 18 year old with great potential and could be a mainstay in the side for a decade and a half to come, barring any serious lost of form or injuries. i'm sure some might say the same case when we signed rio for 33million back in 2002 even though he was already an established international and had just starred in a world cup. 12 years later we all can agree it was a bargain. hoping the same here with shaw.

evra mentoring shaw

 

[Winrar]

Feels like signing De Gea for 18 odd million back in 2011. Bit unproven at that time but now we have his services for a long time to come and he is world class.

 

[Mister Ed]

No is the answer to this for some people. People actually describing the Shaw fee as 'madness' as if they're more concerned about the outlay than people who work and run the bloody club. As if people professionally qualified to make financial decisions and who's jobs rely on them are just going to throw money around willy-nilly.

What a simplistic view

You do know alot of bankers and traders that are paid millions to make financial decisions are the ones who have made the system implode and caused the financial crisis. Not comparing this in anyway to Manchester United and transfer decisions as it has nothing to do with it, but just an illustration of how absolutley mad your simplisitc view point is. Just because somebody has a qualification to make professional financial decisions (or any kind of decisions for that matter) doesn't mean they can't make really bad decisions. There exists plenty of bright highly intelligent people that went to Universitys like Oxford and Harvard and run a shitload of money and make very important decisions that still got some pretty basic things horribly wrong. There is absolutley no reason to think football business wouldn't be any different, and people running the big clubs can also make gigantic mistakes. Just to think that because somebody maybay more qualified than you, means you can't question their decisions at all is such a load of bollocks.

I'am not claiming I know better or would do any better, but from my viewpoint, spending £30m on a 18 year old leftback is crazy. It is based on the simple fact that clubs usually don't spend that kind of money on 18 year olds and that clubs almost never spend that money on the leftback position. This viewpoint is also supported and shared by almost every other supporter (except the ones here on Red Cafe) I've seen on the internet. So maybay, just maybay it is not a total nonsense opnion.

Another thing I'd like to clarify is that I'am not unhappy with this transfer in the sense that I do think we need a quality leftback and that Shaw fits that profile quite well. Yet I'am not to simple minded to also realise he isn't worth £30m, and it is no crime to voice that opnion and post it in the relevant forum. A discussion forum would be a really useless place if only opnions or viewpoints of the same sort could be posted.

 

[Matador8]

He's going to be a great addition to United in the long run. His best years are ahead of him. Just bring him in already.

 

[adamwest]

Quality signing.

 

[Mister Ed]

So who do you suggest we should buy instead of shaw.? We won't have every transfer window like this, we are probably trying to sort the core off our team then start promoting from youth or buy young players. We won't do Madrid/PSG etc and spend huge amount every transfer window. This transfer window is just one-off, so stop worrying and enjoy the ride.

*i can feel a long post coming my way

I would have gone for Rodriguez or Moreno, both are very good players that are equal to Shaw imo, they are also young and would provide a long term value for the club, but they wouldn't cost anything near £30m.

That is for the leftback, for the midfield I kinda agree on the Herrera deal, since I think we don't have many alternatives in that area and biting the bullet might prove the best decision but with Shaw I don't.

For the rest I think the club would have fared alot better if we'd have been more balanced in our money spending. If we had spend some of that money in the previous years when we were topdogs in the PL and were considered on the same level as Barcelona and Real Madrid and still above teams like City and Chelsea (and even Bayern few years back) I believe we could have signed alot of really good players (like Modric, Bale, Hazard, Vidal, Di Maria, Silva) and we would have benefited from that money alot more than we do now with Herrera and Shaw (sort of almost being forced to overspend to rectify for underspending in the previous years). I just don't think our transferpolicy is well balanced and tought true if I compare it to other clubs that have managed far better signings in far more difficult circumstances than us. Truely we are one of the richest clubs in the world, how else can you explain us being so far down compared to teams like Bayern, Real and Barcelona etc if not for a bad transferstrategy.

 

[GledTheRed]

I think it's a decent deal, £25 million for a 28 year old Baines last year would have been a gash one.

Any half decent left back has a 15/20 asking price, Shaw is a an excellent and very young left back.

 

[Red Hand Devil]

We're not playing in Europe, we don't need to stockpile players like we have in the past. A centre-half to play with a combination of Jones, Evans and Smalling is a necessity. We could do with another midfielder as Herrera alongside Carrick, Fellaini, Cleverley and Fletcher isn't ideal but also isn't the end of the world. A winger would be nice, but only if he's top class rather than just another to add to the pool of average 'traditional' wingers that we have. A lot depends on how van Gaal is looking to play. The starting 11 isn't good enough, that's why we've already signed two players who will go straight in the team.

What are these additional signings that you think we are desperate for?

My main gripes with United are:

Jones - not good enough for United at CB.

Smalling - not good enough for United full stop.

Evans - good enough for United at CB, but is a sicknote & cant be relied on to stay fit.

Rafa - hit & miss, and also a liability. If we bought a top-class RB i wouldnt be disappointed thats for sure. Needs proper like-for-like competition & maybe Janko or Varela (U-21 players) can prove to be that guy. I like Janko - big, strong, fast, loves to get forward & can defend too.

Buttner - was never United quality & great he's moved on. Great business that was. Phew!!!

Nani - waste of space. Get rid. Trade the useless prick.

Young - waste of space. Get rid for a Twix if we have to.

Anderson - Great fella it seems, but not good enough for Fiorentina nevermind United. Get rid & help find him an ideal club to suit him. Portugal would be the ideal destination.

Valencia - serious form droppage & has become more physical rather than quality. Seems an angry lad these days, but i'd easily keep him at the club.

Cleverely - not good enough for United. Hasnt shown any stretch of his potential since the 2nd-half of the Community Shield against City in 2011! I could be wrong, but i cant see Van Gaal makin a player out of him whatsoever. Sick of his back & side-ways passing. Hot-potato shit - gettin rid if it asap, mentality. He reminds me of "Rain Man".

Fletch - still recovering from illness & deserves all the respect he gets. Can do a job for us as a bit-part player, but maybe more if he's had a great break since the season ended.

Carrick - serious loss of form & apparant "couldnt give a shite" attitude, both of which cost us last season & his place in the England squad too. Can still get it all back under Van Gaal though.

Hernandez - never the most gifted of footballers, but his poaching was great. Not anymore though, and should be sold to make room for Wilson.

Zaha - was he really all that to compete at the highest level or can Van Gaal turn him into a player? His attitude has serious question marks (from what has been said), but was great to see him hanging out with the Palace fans at the end of the season. Shows he appreciates the love from the fans. At United last season - he never got a chance to be honest. Same argument can be said about Pogba too though.

I want players out, as much as i want players in man - all upgrades more importantly.

My additional signings to massively improve the 1st team & the squad, to that of Anders & hopefully Shaw, considering all of the above:

2 CB's (Hummels & Mangala for his aggression ala Vida. Guinter is a no-goer it seems too) + 2 CM's (Vidal & Strootman) + atleast 1 pacey winger who can play on both flanks (Sanchez)..

Couple that with us bleeding as many young players along the way next season too, but only after havin a solid 1st 11 in the majority of our games though.. The Class of 92 were introduced with a solid 1st team & spine - we need that sorted so we dont heap too much pressure on these young lads!

Its all about opinions at the end of the day & thats mine..

 

[GledTheRed]

I would have gone for Rodriguez or Moreno, both are very good players that are equal to Shaw imo, they are also young and would provide a long term value for the club, but they wouldn't cost anything near £30m.

That is for the leftback, for the midfield I kinda agree on the Herrera deal, since I think we don't have many alternatives in that area and biting the bullet might prove the best decision but with Shaw I don't.

For the rest I think the club would have fared alot better if we'd have been more balanced in our money spending. If we had spend some of that money in the previous years when we were topdogs in the PL and were considered on the same level as Barcelona and Real Madrid and still above teams like City and Chelsea (and even Bayern few years back) I believe we could have signed alot of really good players (like Modric, Bale, Hazard, Vidal, Di Maria, Silva) and we would have benefited from that money alot more than we do now with Herrera and Shaw (sort of almost being forced to overspend to rectify for underspending in the previous years). I just don't think our transferpolicy is well balanced and tought true if I compare it to other clubs that have managed far better signings in far more difficult circumstances than us. Truely we are one of the richest clubs in the world, how else can you explain us being so far down compared to teams like Bayern, Real and Barcelona etc if not for a bad transferstrategy.

Sevilla want £20 million for Moreno who has apparently been poor this year and is three years Shaw' senior.

Wolfsburg are loaded and Rodriguez' stock is very high, his price would be north of £20 million in my opnion.

 

[Tomuś]

My scout says: 'He would be a quality signing' and that 'he has the potential to far exceed the current level of Patrice Evra's ability'. Fair enough I say.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

I would have gone for Rodriguez or Moreno, both are very good players that are equal to Shaw imo, they are also young and would provide a long term value for the club, but they wouldn't cost anything near £30m.

That is for the leftback, for the midfield I kinda agree on the Herrera deal, since I think we don't have many alternatives in that area and biting the bullet might prove the best decision but with Shaw I don't.

For the rest I think the club would have fared alot better if we'd have been more balanced in our money spending. If we had spend some of that money in the previous years when we were topdogs in the PL and were considered on the same level as Barcelona and Real Madrid and still above teams like City and Chelsea (and even Bayern few years back) I believe we could have signed alot of really good players (like Modric, Bale, Hazard, Vidal, Di Maria, Silva) and we would have benefited from that money alot more than we do now with Herrera and Shaw (sort of almost being forced to overspend to rectify for underspending in the previous years). I just don't think our transferpolicy is well balanced and tought true if I compare it to other clubs that have managed far better signings in far more difficult circumstances than us. Truely we are one of the richest clubs in the world, how else can you explain us being so far down compared to teams like Bayern, Real and Barcelona etc if not for a bad transferstrategy.

I don't think anyone would claim we've been brilliant in the market lately. Water under the bridge, though.

One thing worth mentioning is that it has been very difficult for us to sign players like the ones you mention for anything below top dollar. Clubs have been out to fleece us for years. Take Modric, a player Fergie would've signed in a heartbeat if it weren't for the ridiculous amounts Levy wanted for him.

 

[walsh]

@Red Hand Devil Yeah, that's all fine and everything (except Jones, Smalling and Evans are all capable of being good centre-backs for the club, Jones especially. Rafael is also quality.) but we're simply not going to sell 8 players and buy 10 to replace them. It's not going to happen so why put an unattainable goal in your head? You'll only end up frustrated.

We sign one centre-back and the other three fight for one place and play the occasional game in rotation, that's perfectly acceptable and capable for me. We sign another midfielder and the others play supporting roles in the squad, nothing wrong with that. It really does feel like you're almost approaching with a Football Manager mentality.

 

[Señor]

Granted, I would have preferred Rodriguez too, even though he would've been expensive too, albeit around £10m less, but still I'm not complaining, it's a hell of a signing. I'm pleased that we've stopped being so tight too and I'm sure Shaw will be a hit with us. No one can take this day away from us!

 

[TheMuffer]

Shaw fee is madness. But sadly we have to join in the madness due to these oil clubs.

Good signing and that's all that matters to me.

You have to join the madness not because of oil clubs, but because everyone knows that Utd can be held to ransome this season. Partly because there is no CL football , partly because its been well documented that Utd have a huge transfer chest.

 

[Red Hand Devil]

Yup, he sounds like he plays Football Manager too much.

Never played the game in my life. So, i suppose i'll get clattered with that stick aswell eh?

 

[Sherzad]

I would have gone for Rodriguez or Moreno, both are very good players that are equal to Shaw imo, they are also young and would provide a long term value for the club, but they wouldn't cost anything near £30m.

That is for the leftback, for the midfield I kinda agree on the Herrera deal, since I think we don't have many alternatives in that area and biting the bullet might prove the best decision but with Shaw I don't.

For the rest I think the club would have fared alot better if we'd have been more balanced in our money spending. If we had spend some of that money in the previous years when we were topdogs in the PL and were considered on the same level as Barcelona and Real Madrid and still above teams like City and Chelsea (and even Bayern few years back) I believe we could have signed alot of really good players (like Modric, Bale, Hazard, Vidal, Di Maria, Silva) and we would have benefited from that money alot more than we do now with Herrera and Shaw (sort of almost being forced to overspend to rectify for underspending in the previous years). I just don't think our transferpolicy is well balanced and tought true if I compare it to other clubs that have managed far better signings in far more difficult circumstances than us. Truely we are one of the richest clubs in the world, how else can you explain us being so far down compared to teams like Bayern, Real and Barcelona etc if not for a bad transferstrategy.

I respect your views but I think you just need to relax a bit. I won't get into a discussion with you because it will go nowhere.. We had amazing years under SAF, I hope future will be fun and exciting under Van gaal.

 

[Brightonian]

My main gripes with United are:

Jones - not good enough for United at CB.

Smalling - not good enough for United full stop.

Evans - good enough for United at CB, but is a sicknote & cant be relied on to stay fit.

Rafa - hit & miss, and also a liability. If we bought a top-class RB i wouldnt be disappointed thats for sure. Needs proper like-for-like competition & maybe Janko or Varela (U-21 players) can prove to be that guy. I like Janko - big, strong, fast, loves to get forward & can defend too.

Buttner - was never United quality & great he's moved on. Great business that was. Phew!!!

Nani - waste of space. Get rid. Trade the useless prick.

Young - waste of space. Get rid for a Twix if we have to.

Anderson - Great fella it seems, but not good enough for Fiorentina nevermind United. Get rid & help find him an ideal club to suit him. Portugal would be the ideal destination.

Valencia - serious form droppage & has become more physical rather than quality. Seems an angry lad these days, but i'd easily keep him at the club.

Cleverely - not good enough for United. Hasnt shown any stretch of his potential since the 2nd-half of the Community Shield against City in 2011! I could be wrong, but i cant see Van Gaal makin a player out of him whatsoever. Sick of his back & side-ways passing. Hot-potato shit - gettin rid if it asap, mentality. He reminds me of "Rain Man".

Fletch - still recovering from illness & deserves all the respect he gets. Can do a job for us as a bit-part player, but maybe more if he's had a great break since the season ended.

Carrick - serious loss of form & apparant "couldnt give a shite" attitude, both of which cost us last season & his place in the England squad too. Can still get it all back under Van Gaal though.

Hernandez - never the most gifted of footballers, but his poaching was great. Not anymore though, and should be sold to make room for Wilson.

Zaha - was he really all that to compete at the highest level or can Van Gaal turn him into a player? His attitude has serious question marks (from what has been said), but was great to see him hanging out with the Palace fans at the end of the season. Shows he appreciates the love from the fans. At United last season - he never got a chance to be honest. Same argument can be said about Pogba too though.

I want players out, as much as i want players in man - all upgrades more importantly.

My additional signings to massively improve the 1st team & the squad, to that of Anders & hopefully Shaw, considering all of the above:

2 CB's (Hummels & Mangala for his aggression ala Vida. Guinter is a no-goer it seems too) + 2 CM's (Vidal & Strootman) + atleast 1 pacey winger who can play on both flanks (Sanchez)..

Couple that with us bleeding as many young players along the way next season too, but only after havin a solid 1st 11 in the majority of our games though.. The Class of 92 were introduced with a solid 1st team & spine - we need that sorted so we dont heap too much pressure on these young lads!

Its all about opinions at the end of the day & thats mine..

Ah, Football Manager...

Rate all our players based on the worst few months of form you can find in their careers. Throw a few plain inaccuracies in for good measure, along with some statements of entirely unfounded opinion treated as fact (Eg 'Jones not good enough for United at CB'). Then advocate swapping them all for nice exotic names you've watched once or twice (or seen a YouTube highlights video of - same thing right?)

Also, I don't think we should be bleeding our youngsters. Not my area of expertise, but I don't think that's been considered a valid medical treatment since the 1800s.

 

[Sir Matt]

This is boring, since it's almost a given. Where's the next hot transfer thread? What can get my blood pumping?

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Ah, Football Manager...

Rate all our players based on the worst few months of form you can find in their careers. Throw a few plain inaccuracies in for good measure, along with some statements of entirely unfounded opinion treated as fact (Eg 'Jones not good enough for United at CB'). Then advocate swapping them all for nice exotic names you've watched once or twice (or seen a YouTube highlights video of - same thing right?)

Also, I don't think we should be bleeding our youngsters. Not my area of expertise, but I don't think that's been considered a valid medical treatment since the 1800s.

 

[fallengt]

I would have gone for Rodriguez or Moreno, both are very good players that are equal to Shaw imo, they are also young and would provide a long term value for the club, but they wouldn't cost anything near £30m.

Because shaw is British, his price tag is doubled by that factor alone and signing British is one of our priorities (not a must though). It's a silly policy I know but that's what we do.

 

[LoiusVanGaal]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jun/26/luke-shaw-medical-manchester-united-move-southampton

Guardian reporting the medial is done, guessing the announcement of the transfer will come sometime today

 

[Ferguson]

Good thing we didn't overpay for Gareth Bale and Tottenham got him instead.

 

[DOTA]

Considerably happier about this than Herrera. Nothing against our new Spaniard but I think this kid is pretty special and left back needed addressing every bit as much as central midfield, for me.

Just some cover at right back and some experience at centre back and I'll be happy.