Expect Shaw deal to be announced tomorrow. Woodward in daily contact with Van Gaal. More signings will follow http://bit.ly/1lj31CL #mufc
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Of course it was, but to call them a "bad club" is just pathetic. Southampton are a great club, one of the ones in the league that actually tries to do things the right way and use their academy as well.
The bigger question is if Real Madrid will come calling in a few years.
Yeah, CB is a must and then a second midfielder and a winger would be bonuses.
I think a winger is a most... I'd sell Young and Nani (Valencia i hoped) in trade of a match winning winger.
What a day. Great start to the transfer window.
Alexis Sanchez?
I said he has yet to prove it at a top club.
Would be perfect. Hopefully LVG feels the same.
I like this summer much more than the last already 
Well in an ideal world we'd sign a top class winger but if we can't then we can cope with Januzaj, Mata, Nani, Valencia, Kagawa and Young. I don't think it's a top priority for LVG at the moment, he'll probably focus on a defender and another midfielder first.
That was pretty much done the moment we signed Van Gaal.I like this summer much more than the last already
More like when we got rid of you know who.
Yeah but like our midfield our wingers are #dead. We should afford to make it a priority.
Those are assumptions you have to make every time you buy a player. If every player was bought in the knowledge that within a season he'd break both legs and never play again, then no-one would pay money for anyone. You have to pay for what you think is likely, and I challenge anyone who's seen Shaw play to deny that he looks likely to become an absolutely world class full-back.
1. Who cares if we 'overspend' on a player? By the time the Chevrolet and new kit manufacturer (almost certainly Nike) deals are showing on our accounts, we will be comfortably the highest-earning football club (and, indeed, sports club) in the world. Bayern and Real have been above us for a couple of years because they're benefiting from much more recent sponsor and manufacturer deals. Chevy will be paying us almost twice the second highest deal (Real's), and the rumoured numbers for our new kit deal are also twice the second highest deal (Real's again, I believe). Add that to the bazillion smaller sponsorship deals and the much-reduced debt repayments and we are about to be absolutely rolling in it.
2. Last summer we failed to pony up for high-priced players. Partly as a result of that (and, yes, because Moyes didn't work out), we are now out of the Champions League. If you want to attract CL-quality players without being in the CL, you have to pay over the odds. Marquinhos went to PSG for a similar big fee and they had European football to offer. Defender or no, without the CL we should expect to be shaken down a bit. That's just our situation. Would people rather we fail to spend again and slip even further down the ladder? No - money is something we have, so let's use it to get back where we belong sharpish.
3. So many people claiming that the Rio and Rooney comparisons aren't valid because 'Rio and Rooney's high fees have both turned out to be completely worth it, but Shaw's not proven anything yet, he's a massive risk.' I mean, am I the only one that can see the massive irony there?
For me, this is exactly like when we bought Rio and Rooney. Young, English, obviously massive potential, already considerably talented (18 years old and already better than Evra!), and he just has that special something about him.
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I know some people are skeptical about Shaw price, but despite his age he has played more games in the last 3 years than a player like Mangala.
He is going to begin his 3rd season as a starter in Premier League.
He is going to begin his 3rd season as a starter in Premier League.
That was the highlight of the season.
That didn't happen though, did it?
About as excited for this as I was when we signed DDG. Good sign I guess.
Herrera signed, Shaw having a medical, AND Suarez banned?
We paid 30m for a CB 12 years ago and £25m on an 18 yr old scouser 10 years ago...what's your point? Anyway I'm fecking loving this shit today! Rat face banned from football and we are making killa moves in the market! Woo hoo
He's really developed physically in those 3 seasons too, he's very solidly built now and held up well against Valencia in the pre world cup friendly.
The £34m will seem like nothing when it's spread over the course of his career, same as rio.
Ah feck it, well spotted. Edited now. The point is arguably even stronger: PSG pay a big fee for a player with a similar ratio of proven ability to promise, and they actually had CL football to offer. We can't expect to get the PL's best young talents for competitive prices until we're back challenging for the top competitions.Delighted for this one to be done and dusted. Can't help but wonder at the people complaining that he may not reach the heights that have been predicted for him or that he might get injured and so on. There are risks with every transfer. He's an 18 year old who has performed so well that he was brought to the World Cup. Now fine, he was brought as second choice, but Ashley Cole. Cole has bags of experience and would have been the more sensible pick as back up left-back, except, Shaw really was that good last season. It would have been criminal not to bring Shaw.
So to be worried that he won't reach his potential, when he's already well on his way is silly, in my opinion. He's already a top left back.
And as for the people saying we can't guarantee he'll be here for 12-15 years as we can't predict his injuries, well, that's also silly. Every player you sign can get injured.
So to be worried that he won't reach his potential, when he's already well on his way is silly, in my opinion. He's already a top left back.
And as for the people saying we can't guarantee he'll be here for 12-15 years as we can't predict his injuries, well, that's also silly. Every player you sign can get injured.
Don't care about the fee, we can't go wrong here. We have the player tied down for his best years at this club. Managed to place himself in Premier league team of the season at the tender age of 19, and has kept one of the best wingers in the world very quiet this season including our own revelation Januzaj.
Do you guys really think thats enough?
I'm truly baffled that folk seem to think we only need a few signings. The 1st 11 isnt good enough - not to mention our back-up's. Its about the squad & havin quality replacements to lean on.
I could run through a list of players that have out-stayed their welcome & others that arent United quality (or both) & should be shipped out asap, but i'm bored to death doing that shit.
Van Gaal will see it for himself when he arrives & dont be surprised if he dons a permanent face-palm throughout the season, if thats all we bring in that you've mentioned!
We're not playing in Europe, we don't need to stockpile players like we have in the past. A centre-half to play with a combination of Jones, Evans and Smalling is a necessity. We could do with another midfielder as Herrera alongside Carrick, Fellaini, Cleverley and Fletcher isn't ideal but also isn't the end of the world. A winger would be nice, but only if he's top class rather than just another to add to the pool of average 'traditional' wingers that we have. A lot depends on how van Gaal is looking to play. The starting 11 isn't good enough, that's why we've already signed two players who will go straight in the team.
What are these additional signings that you think we are desperate for?
How many signings do you want exactly? 11?
LVG is a great manager and I bet he could do a job with our current squad + few signings.
He makes it sound like if we make 4 or 5 signings that we'll still be a mid-table side...
Yup, he sounds like he plays Football Manager too much.
Totally agree man. There'll be plenty of scrutiny & appraisal of Woodward in due course & i'll take my hat off to him if he's excelled.
Until then, i wont be blowing smoke up his arse or any individual, apart from the club as a whole!
You're basing your judgements of those players on a season when the whole team was mismanaged, played poorly, and had a badly under-par midfield. We've landed one of the most respected managers in the game, and those 'few signings' would include turning around that midfield situation (Herrera already represents a start there). With those two major problems sorted, the whole team will hopefully start playing much better and you'll remember just how good so many of our players are.
Look at Liverpool this season. Came within a hair's breadth of winning the title with players like Henderson, Skrtel, Johnson, Kolo Toure, Flanagan etc playing key roles. On paper their squad is much worse than plenty who finished below them. If you think a squad including Van Persie, Rooney, de Gea, Januzaj, Mata, Rafael, Evra, Carrick, Hernandez, Kagawa, Jones and Welbeck needs some kind of massive overhaul because of one bad season then - and I don't say this lightly - you don't really get how football works.
My point is that I am not bothered about the price tag so I really don't see what you are getting at?
I still find £30m for an 18 year old leftback absolutley crazy money !
I know he is a ton of potential, I know he could be a great leftback for us for over 10 years. Yet some people on here are talking about it, like it is written in stone. Again he is 18, we are buying largley for potential, because the performances I have seen from him (altough very good for someone only 18) just aren't worth £30m. He could fail to realise the massive expecations that come with such a price tag, there are plenty of players many tought would be worldbeaters when they were 18-19 year old and later turned out not be so good afterall, it is still potential to be one of the best leftbacks, he isn't one already. Even if he realises it, £30m for a leftback is crazy, that is the most expensive leftback in the history of the game, it is absurd how good he will have to become in his position to be worth this kind of money. Also people saying we'll have him for 10 years, he isn't signing a 10 year contract, so stating he'll be our leftback solution for the next decade and that he will be the best leftback on the planet during that time is very premature, £30m is feckload of money, truely unprecedented so much money for such a young player, on the fecking leftback position. It may work out and it may turn out to be a very good transfer, but there is a very real chance it may also turn out to be one of the most reckless wastages of money.
Ow and did I mention a ton of good players are availble for the leftback position, that would only cost half of what Shaw costs. Madness, just coming from some neutral foreign forum and most of them think we are absolute mad and our transferpolicies are amongst the worst on the planet. Some Juve fan pointing out that for the money we spend on Herrera and Shaw they got about their entire team together (including Vidal, Pirlo, Pogba, Tevez, Lorenthe, Asamoah, Ogbonna, Isla, Giovinco etc). 80 million euro, that is alot of money we spend, and both players aren't worldclass (yet), it is a bit crazy for that money you would expect more, more quality or simply more players.
I'am happy about these signings don't get me wrong, we need them bad, but it is a shitload of money we spend on them. Including the fees we paid for Mata and Fellaini we already spend £123.5million on 4 players, that is a feckload of money and did we buy so much for that ? We have truely become reckless spenders, desperation is clearly sinking into our transferplans. I hope the 2 new guys will work out, because if they don't we've truely spend a small fortune on them.
I know he is a ton of potential, I know he could be a great leftback for us for over 10 years. Yet some people on here are talking about it, like it is written in stone. Again he is 18, we are buying largley for potential, because the performances I have seen from him (altough very good for someone only 18) just aren't worth £30m. He could fail to realise the massive expecations that come with such a price tag, there are plenty of players many tought would be worldbeaters when they were 18-19 year old and later turned out not be so good afterall, it is still potential to be one of the best leftbacks, he isn't one already. Even if he realises it, £30m for a leftback is crazy, that is the most expensive leftback in the history of the game, it is absurd how good he will have to become in his position to be worth this kind of money. Also people saying we'll have him for 10 years, he isn't signing a 10 year contract, so stating he'll be our leftback solution for the next decade and that he will be the best leftback on the planet during that time is very premature, £30m is feckload of money, truely unprecedented so much money for such a young player, on the fecking leftback position. It may work out and it may turn out to be a very good transfer, but there is a very real chance it may also turn out to be one of the most reckless wastages of money.
Ow and did I mention a ton of good players are availble for the leftback position, that would only cost half of what Shaw costs. Madness, just coming from some neutral foreign forum and most of them think we are absolute mad and our transferpolicies are amongst the worst on the planet. Some Juve fan pointing out that for the money we spend on Herrera and Shaw they got about their entire team together (including Vidal, Pirlo, Pogba, Tevez, Lorenthe, Asamoah, Ogbonna, Isla, Giovinco etc). 80 million euro, that is alot of money we spend, and both players aren't worldclass (yet), it is a bit crazy for that money you would expect more, more quality or simply more players.
I'am happy about these signings don't get me wrong, we need them bad, but it is a shitload of money we spend on them. Including the fees we paid for Mata and Fellaini we already spend £123.5million on 4 players, that is a feckload of money and did we buy so much for that ? We have truely become reckless spenders, desperation is clearly sinking into our transferplans. I hope the 2 new guys will work out, because if they don't we've truely spend a small fortune on them.
I really get confused when I realise theres a huge conversation going on that makes no sense and then realise that its someone who I blocked ages ago.
I actually see that as a great transfer strategy. Buy top young talent for too much money, get some great football from the age 20 - 27, then sell them on to Madrid at a large profit then go out and buy some more young players. Probably easier to coach and shape those young players than deal with big name stars as well.
After putting in a 27M bid a couple weeks ago and it getting rejected, it was inevitable that we were going to put in a higher bid. Sky sports are reporting that it is in the region of 30M, and while it may sound like a lot of money, we'd hope to have Shaw for the best part of 10 plus years. Good investment, I'd say. Can't wait to see him in a United shirt next season. Great signing.
You have to remember the likes of Rafael, Evans, Jones and more who are perceived to be shit were good under Fergie. They didn't progress under Moyes. Van Gaal will get the best out of good enough but underperforming players.
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