I suspect we expect Shaw to return home and make his position clear about wanting to leave to Southampton. Perhaps, maybe for contractual reasons, the club want a request from the player officially to leave. Now he's back in England I'm hopeful things might progress a bit over the next few days.
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I doubt any of the clubs you mentioned are interested in spending 27m on an 18 yr old LB who cant hold a regular role with one of the weakest national teams in the WC
PSG spent 31 million on Marquinhos just last summer. Before he had a cap for Brazil.
I think we are literally the only club willing to pay that amount for him.
Rooney was an absolute star in the euro 2004
Ok so in terms of playing the transfer game yes we should play hard ball but if that leads us ultimately to paying 34 million for Shaw then it really doesn't bother me. World Class players are now selling for 100 million and could even be twice that if Messi ever went on the market. Luiz sold for 50 million. 34 million for longevity and potential might end up being a very good deal considering how hard it is to find a good left back.
I doubt they will do the same thing for shaw. British talent has a shit reputation in terms of settling elsewhere.
No wonder why british talent rarely move outside britian
34m for an 18 yr old lb is absolute madness. Do you know how many new Maldinis have failed to live up the expectations?
So, will this happen? I can't be arsed keeping up to date on a daily basis on transfer rumours, being drawn into full-on muppet mode.
They're trying to have our pants down over this. Personally I'd move on to other targets. Who else is on Louis' list?
I love how people are taking the £30m+ figures bandied around by the tabloids as some sort of gospel truth.
Ogden etc. haven't said anything over £27m. This won't be a lump sum, he'll have to be a hell of a player for us to pay that. And that assumes he doesn't come back and push for a move, thus lowering the price.
Shaw looks a brilliant defender and is going to be an immense player. Shut up and sign him.
Ogden etc. haven't said anything over £27m. This won't be a lump sum, he'll have to be a hell of a player for us to pay that. And that assumes he doesn't come back and push for a move, thus lowering the price.
Shaw looks a brilliant defender and is going to be an immense player. Shut up and sign him.
We're talking about PSG. The same club that the renties fleeced for 50 million quid for a defender not particularly good at defending.
I'll agree with this fully, I think its widely accepted lump sum transfers don't happen often
I don't know if this is 100% true but even the 29mil we paid for rio back in the day, apparently due to leeds going into administration we offered to pay them £X amount that was still owed for the deal instead of them waiting to get much more from installments/milestones
def want Shaw
Are people really comparing Shaw with Rio and Rooney? 
Rooney had almost 70 games for Everton and came from a tournament where he basically set the world on fire at just 18 years and Rio was one of the best centerbacks in the country and we signed him from one of our biggest rivals.
I like this kid, but let's not fool ourselves, he had a decent first season, nothing more, nothing less. Does that really worth 35M? That's an obscene amount of money for what we getting. I don't care how much we spend, as I feel we're due a big spending, but that doesn't mean we should be taken for fools by the clubs that smell money.
I'm pretty sure in other circumstances they will snap our hands off for 25M or whatever we offered first, but now they probably know we are some what desperate and they are trying to squeeze us for all we got.
People saying that they don't want to sell their players, but for that money they can easily buy 2-3 players of that quality. It's not like that kid is playing like Roberto fecking Carlos, they are mostly selling potential, not top quality.
Rooney had almost 70 games for Everton and came from a tournament where he basically set the world on fire at just 18 years and Rio was one of the best centerbacks in the country and we signed him from one of our biggest rivals.
I like this kid, but let's not fool ourselves, he had a decent first season, nothing more, nothing less. Does that really worth 35M? That's an obscene amount of money for what we getting. I don't care how much we spend, as I feel we're due a big spending, but that doesn't mean we should be taken for fools by the clubs that smell money.
I'm pretty sure in other circumstances they will snap our hands off for 25M or whatever we offered first, but now they probably know we are some what desperate and they are trying to squeeze us for all we got.
People saying that they don't want to sell their players, but for that money they can easily buy 2-3 players of that quality. It's not like that kid is playing like Roberto fecking Carlos, they are mostly selling potential, not top quality.
Shaw has had 67 games for Southampton.Are people really comparing Shaw with Rio and Rooney?
Rooney had almost 70 games for Everton
Are people really comparing Shaw with Rio and Rooney?
Rooney had almost 70 games for Everton and came from a tournament where he basically set the world on fire at just 18 years and Rio was one of the best centerbacks in the country and we signed him from one of our biggest rivals.
I like this kid, but let's not fool ourselves, he had a decent first season, nothing more, nothing less. Does that really worth 35M? That's an obscene amount of money for what we getting. I don't care how much we spend, as I feel we're due a big spending, but that doesn't mean we should be taken for fools by the clubs that smell money.
I'm pretty sure in other circumstances they will snap our hands off for 25M or whatever we offered first, but now they probably know we are some what desperate and they are trying to squeeze us for all we got.
People saying that they don't want to sell their players, but for that money they can easily buy 2-3 players of that quality. It's not like that kid is playing like Roberto fecking Carlos, they are mostly selling potential, not top quality.
Who has said £35m apart from a couple of tabloids who got it wrong
We are less desperate than when we first went in for him - Evra would have no doubt left if Moyes has continued and Buttner would never have been first choice so we are probably less desperate than before
Are people really comparing Shaw with Rio and Rooney?
Rooney had almost 70 games for Everton and came from a tournament where he basically set the world on fire at just 18 years and Rio was one of the best centerbacks in the country and we signed him from one of our biggest rivals.
I like this kid, but let's not fool ourselves, he had a decent first season, nothing more, nothing less. Does that really worth 35M? That's an obscene amount of money for what we getting. I don't care how much we spend, as I feel we're due a big spending, but that doesn't mean we should be taken for fools by the clubs that smell money.
I'm pretty sure in other circumstances they will snap our hands off for 25M or whatever we offered first, but now they probably know we are some what desperate and they are trying to squeeze us for all we got.
People saying that they don't want to sell their players, but for that money they can easily buy 2-3 players of that quality. It's not like that kid is playing like Roberto fecking Carlos, they are mostly selling potential, not top quality.
1. Nobody's comparing them directly. Rather trying to illustrate that paying high fees for a potentially long serving player who can develop into one of the best in his role is not unheard of. Taking inflation into account the Rio and Rooney fees would be much more than the quoted Shaw fee.
2. All the reliable sources (all things United like Ogden and Ducker) say we have not upped our bid of around 27m and they expect a deal closer to that amount than 35m.
3. The 27m will in all likelihood not be a lump sum offer. A bit like Rio where we gave about 20m upfront and the rest was based on milestones and monthly installment payments. I suspect a similar deal will happen here. So if we in the end pay the 27m it would be after he's reached certain milestones like us winning the league, him making x amount of appearances etc which means his fee was justified.
Better not be more than £25-30million all-in. Feck that, would rather promote a youth player than get raped by Southampton of all clubs.
I'd rather we play evra and sign Kolasinac/blind as squad players there, that is way too much and crazy wages for somebody who isn't 20 yet and sets a dangerous precedent going forward. 100k a week at the age of 19 ffs, really hope it's not true. He's a good player with huge potential but he's not world class...
TBF the Shaw-Ferdinand comparisons don't stack up.
Rio was a vastly experienced 23 year old defender already tested at the highest level. He had 150+ appearances for West Ham (some of them as their captain) and secured a British record 20 million (and world record for a defender later overtaken by Lilian Thuram) transfer to Leeds. Then to proceeded to turn out 70+ times for Leeds (whom he also captained replacing Lucas Radebe) and steered to the Champion's League semi-finals in 2000-2001. On top of that he had been capped by England for 5 years with almost 30 caps.
Shaw while a good prospect is still fairly inexperienced on the world and European stage. So naturally people have the right to feel a bit uncomfortable with a 30 million fee. There are plenty of very good young prospects transferring prematurely and failing to adapt to the insane pressure of being at a massive club and performing under microscopic scrutiny. Not saying it'll happen with Shaw (who seems really mature for his age) but the possibility is always there. From a purely neutral perspective Ideally he should stay at Southampton for atleast 2 more seasons before moving.
That said Louis is a master with handling young players. If he gives the go ahead for such a significant outlay then there shouldn't be much doubt about Shaw's future progression.
Rio was a vastly experienced 23 year old defender already tested at the highest level. He had 150+ appearances for West Ham (some of them as their captain) and secured a British record 20 million (and world record for a defender later overtaken by Lilian Thuram) transfer to Leeds. Then to proceeded to turn out 70+ times for Leeds (whom he also captained replacing Lucas Radebe) and steered to the Champion's League semi-finals in 2000-2001. On top of that he had been capped by England for 5 years with almost 30 caps.
Shaw while a good prospect is still fairly inexperienced on the world and European stage. So naturally people have the right to feel a bit uncomfortable with a 30 million fee. There are plenty of very good young prospects transferring prematurely and failing to adapt to the insane pressure of being at a massive club and performing under microscopic scrutiny. Not saying it'll happen with Shaw (who seems really mature for his age) but the possibility is always there. From a purely neutral perspective Ideally he should stay at Southampton for atleast 2 more seasons before moving.
That said Louis is a master with handling young players. If he gives the go ahead for such a significant outlay then there shouldn't be much doubt about Shaw's future progression.
The media is saying Soton are bumping up the price tag to £40m. Are they fecking mental, or do they believe they can actually bully that sum out of us after one poor season? This kid is worth no more than £20m, maybe 25 if the buyer's feeling generous or wants to get the deal done in a hurry. We were willing to give them £30 million and they want more? If Southampton don't get EL football next year and Shaw has a similar season, he's going to force a move to a bigger club. When he does, I can't see the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal or City paying more than £20m.
If this were my call, I say sign Blind and watch Southampton's greed both cost them their best left back and tens of millions.
If this were my call, I say sign Blind and watch Southampton's greed both cost them their best left back and tens of millions.
If I pull numbers out of my arse I can make a shite point as well.
And Shaw has played nearly 70 games for Southampton.
How exactly did I pull numbers out of my ass? Yes, it appears that Shaw has indeed played 60 games for Southampton, but that doesn't make him Rooney, which came here after scoring 4 goals at the Euro 2004, was a starter for England and was pretty much wanted by everyone.
Everybody is reporting that we made a bid of 27m and they want 34, so where exactly am I exaggerating?
Where is your proof that they want £34m? No figure has been put about which has any basis in evidence bar £27m.
We are potentially getting 20 years of super star service if the deal goes through. I say feck the fee! Just get it done....
I'm sorry, next time I shall refrain from using numbers used by all the press until I have a signed and stamped paper from the Saints chairman, so I can show you it's true.
I think we will sign Shaw. If he wants the move then he will not cost much over £30 million because Southampton will be under pressure to sell.
You could at least try using the legit press types. Ogden and Ducker have not mentioned £34m once.
United earn the most revenue of any football team in the world. We should just point our finger at a player and be able to get him. It is our own money. We pay £20m each year for debt repayments, what is £35m on perhaps our next LB for 15 years?
He's already better defensively than Bob Carlos.
England would be more accurate mate.
Seems you are correct. Third with $551 M (£363 M). We used to be #1, but i think Moyes played his part in us becoming third. Still, I stand by my point.
No mate Moyes had nothing to do with it. Real has been ahead of us since 2005 and recently Barcelona went ahead too (partly because both of them earn more with their disproportionate TV revenue). We are on fairly similar grounds with matchday and commercial. That said Woodward/ Arnold's Mayfair based commercial team has sealed some really good deals (Chevrolet, AON kit) and better BT/ broadcasting revenue will see us close to the #1 spot again.
You are right though, we will have no trouble spending big on players.
I totally agree, with our income we really should be able to buy the players we want, but you can thank the Glazers for most of the profits going to pay off the debt.... but that's a topic for another thread.
The English team have arrived back in Manchester...
We haven't been first for a decade, and for the last 5 years we have been third. If I am not mistaken now we are fourth (Bayern surprassing us too).
That's not revenue, it is the value of the club. For some you may have precise evaluation (like us because we are in stock exchange) while most are arbitrary evaluation.
Anyway, the club evaluation is completely irrelevant to how money we have to spend. That depends on revenue and our revenue currently is the fourth highest on the world football.
If you scroll down you'll see the revenues of each club. I looked at them, united's revenue is 4th in the world after finishing seventh in the league.
Yep. I said that we have thr fourth highest revenue. Finishing on the league doesn't matter that much in England, the difference is very low.
On next year it will be interesting to see how things change considering that we won't have UCL but it'll start the Chevrolet deal. With UCL and the new Nike deal (when it starts) I think that we can challenge Barca for the second place but until then, I guess we'll be fourth *
* Unless PSG does a completely fair deal with a Qatari company that will sponsor their socks for 174m pounds a year, in which case we'll be fifth.
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