Luke Shaw | Deal done! Almost...
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If he really wanted the move, will he be forced to hand in a transfer request just to bring down the price for us?
If this actually goes through, I'm guessing 27-28mil upfront, plus add-ons to take it to 30mil. Anything more than this, and I'd be disappointed. There are no other bidders, the guy is only 18, (supposedly) wants to join us, and we're still getting raped.
Inflated valuation of a player because he's English, IMO
Is he even worth it? We have seen what english talent is all about
I don't care anymore about transfer fees as long as the Glazers take money out of our club but we are close to making a fool of ourselves if we pay any more than 30m what is already ridicolously high. We have to be ready to pay big fees especially for english talents but should also look elsewhere if Soton thinks they can enrich themselves.
Well we've just lost Buttner to Dinamo Moscow, and I assume it's because Buttner knows we have another young left-back lined up. Hopefully it is Shaw.
No matter what english talent is about, I want the best to play for us and he certainly is one of the best upcoming english player. It's part of our identity to be english and have english players. Also there are homegrown rules in place so we need to have english players.
I dont mind that unless we get fleeced. The WC gave a realistic view of what Brit talent is all about
In terms of managerial talent, Brit talent is poor, but there is a lot of potential and real talent amongst the players.
I'm certainly not delighted at the prospect of paying such an extortionate amount for a talented LB, but at this juncture I believe we are in a pretty dicey position, particularly given the extent of our decline last season, and I reckon any deal we make with a club like Southampton will have to be incentivised in this manner.
I remember when SAF tried to make enquiries about Bale and was left, according to quotes from the man himself, kicking-his-heels as Soton broke with protocol and made every effort to sell the Welshman to anyone bar UTD.
I completely understand people's reticence in throwing cash around in such an extravagant fashion but in the short term I just think for the sake of the squad, and in order to provide the best platform for the new manager, we, like all the others with aspirations of Champions League football, must loose a certain degree of perspective and pay what the market requires to make us competitive once again.
I remember when SAF tried to make enquiries about Bale and was left, according to quotes from the man himself, kicking-his-heels as Soton broke with protocol and made every effort to sell the Welshman to anyone bar UTD.
I completely understand people's reticence in throwing cash around in such an extravagant fashion but in the short term I just think for the sake of the squad, and in order to provide the best platform for the new manager, we, like all the others with aspirations of Champions League football, must loose a certain degree of perspective and pay what the market requires to make us competitive once again.
I agree. I'd happily pay a premium on the best English talent if it means we don't end up like City as an English club with no English players.
I'd take Shaw over any cheaper foreign left back too. Just for that reason. We still need to remain English, the clubs sack and the country (even though we never get credit)
No, it didn't. I would struggle to think of an England player the past 10 years who has been better for country than their club. They all are loads better for their clubs.
Did it give a realistic view of what Spanish and Italian talent is all about?
It's very rare to find any player better for their country than their club, especially in the modern game where top players play so many games a season.
Cole was probably just as good, though.
Yeah, other than Cole no one stands out. The entire golden generation was disappointing.
That was reported yesterday. Today the papers are saying that, contrary to reports, we haven't lodged a second bid.
Why would you go from £27m right up to £34m? £30m should've been good enough.
Italian are a bit meah at the moment. I was actually surprised that england lost to that mess. Spain was a surprise. When was the last time england did well in a major tournament?
If we don't get him, and we sign Daley instead, could we say afterwards that he was Gone with the Blind? 
Or maybe the foreign imports makes them look good. The best talent is foreign, suarez, rvp, aguero etc
There's nothing wrong with buying English players; it only when the "English" premium is so ridiculously large, that the club is essentially being bent over and a-rammed. We're talking about a young player with no European experience where no other major clubs are apparently interested in, and we're already offering close to a world record fee for a LB, yet people on the caf are saying we should go higher?!
Or else we can PRODUCE our local talent and buy foreign talent until smaller clubs learn to ask realistic fees for their own so called talent. I doubt real would spent 30m on baines reserve as much as i doubt barca would have spent 26m on a beanpole with funny hair
That argument would hold up except the likes of Gerrard and Rooney have shown that they are exceptional in piss poor sides. Lampard, Scholes, Cole, Cole, Owen, Terry, Ferdinand, Carragher, Neville, Beckham, King, etc. clearly were excellent too.
There is not really a English premium. But, there is sort of a Premier League premium. Because of how rich clubs in England are they are able to hold out for big money. That is why Mata, Berbatov, Ferdinand, Felliani, Van Persie and Rooney are 6 of our 7 biggest transfers ever.
And yet none of these talent had done that great without foreign imports at their side. And i wonder if u have noticed but theres no ferdinands and scholes in the current england side
Btw i fail not to smile that you put carragher and with the likes of scholes and ferdinand
This sounds like it's going to drag out. I was hoping it would be done as soon as he was back from the World Cup, but it looks unlikely.
Even when Ferdinand and Scholes were in the side we were hardly much better.
Yes, I was clearly comparing them as players... I put Neville and Joe Cole in there too, am I saying they were as good as Ferdinand and Scholes?
Why because the press are just re-cycling a load of old news on Shaw?. As with Herrera they've shown they have no real info, they are just pissing in the wind and hoping to sound like they know what's happening.
I think a deal is done in principle, just need's Shaw around to finish it off. I am hoping by Friday we could have a double deal presented.
England performed better with scholes and rio then the current crappy side. As said theres no rio and scholes now and absolutely no talent to spend 30m on
The spanish and german league are rich but the top clubs arent fleeced that way. Its mainly because other top clubs would move to foreign talent if tgey did
If united pulled out of shaw deal then good luck for the saints of finding someone ready to spend 27m on an 18 yr old fullback who happens to be baines reserve. It would be interesting to see the reaction of the boy after learning that his dream move had been spoiled by his greedy club
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£34m for an 18 year old Southampton left back... This isn't reality.
Personally I wouldn't pay a cent more than the 27m.. its way over priced as it is and its not about the money its about not given in to a shit club.
It doesn't sound like a deal has been agreed with Southampton. If they want more money and we're not welling to pay then it's going to drag out.
I'm sure Southampton value staying in the premier league over any transfer fee. Got him on a long term contract & he's one of their best players, they don't need to sell, so obviously they're going to ask obscene money.
A shit club?
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