It's the modern game. Personally I think £30m for a defender with as much potential as he has and who could realistically be our left back for the next 10-12 years isn't too bad a price to pay. Rather the initial outlay than spend smaller amounts on several players who never amount to anything.
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It's the modern game. Personally I think £30m for a defender with as much potential as he has and who could realistically be our left back for the next 10-12 years isn't too bad a price to pay. Rather the initial outlay than spend smaller amounts on several players who never amount to anything.
Yup, frustration from their greed has now tarnished them in my eyes.
What are you talking about?
A club the size of So'oton trying to get as much as they can for their player is greedy?
Did you expect them to sell him without a fight? He is a homegrown player who has been with the club since he was 8 and is 18 and already an international. Southampton are obviously going to fight to keep him.
I don't get people that are scoffing at the fee are using his age to bolster their own reasons as if it's a con.
At 18, Shaw can have many years at the top. Far outweighs any lack of experience imo
At 18, Shaw can have many years at the top. Far outweighs any lack of experience imo
And we saw a defender go for that much just last summer(Marquinhos)
WTF? How on earth are they a shit club? And they are well within their rights to get as much money as possible for one of their most valuable assets.
Southampton's demands are ridiculous. Guy is 18 and played 1 season in the PL and they want 35m? 
We should just sign the Swiss guy and feck them up, nobody else will pay that kind of money for him anyway.
We should just sign the Swiss guy and feck them up, nobody else will pay that kind of money for him anyway.
Definitely wouldn't call Southampton a shit club, they have brought through some of the best English talent in the last few years. As said above they're trying to get the most out of us which is the right thing for them to do, if they push too hard they may scupper the deal and there's no knowing how Shaw will react to that but on the other hand it'd be negligent on their part to let him go for less than we're willing to pay. Fair play to Southampton I say.
I really wanted us to sign Luke Shaw. However, if we are being held over a barrell for more than 30m then feck it, let them try and get that type of money from someone else. Good luck to him. 27m is more than enough.
I get the feeling this is posturing from both sides and will be resolved when Shaw hands in a transfer request. Southampton want to avoid taking stick from the fans for selling - they want it to look like Shaw has pushed the move.
Of course, they may know full well they wont get that money from someone else, that might be the point. They might think for anything less they'd rather keep him, he can help them next season and after another great season he might be worth more, on top of helping them do better than they might otherwise have done. If they lose all the players who are being linked with moves away they're going to have big problems.
You sure? How much did that guy from soceidad cost them again?
27m pound is outrageous as it is, he's not worth more than 15m. Grant it he has a very exciting future ahead of him but if he was any other nationality you'd be paying half the reported the fee even if the potential was the same.
He is worth whatever a club is willing to pay for him.
We have different definitions of 'worth' then, for me worth is the return you get on your purchase for example record fee's for both Rio and Rooney turned out to be a bargain. Shaw potentially can be in that category obviously but at the moment asking for more money on an already reasonable (for them, not us) offer is greedy, especially since no one else is in for him.
They do not have to sell them. So it is up to us to offer them enough to pry him away.
Look at the last big home-grown fees we've paid for players
Ferdinand - £27m, 12 seasons
Carrick - £18.6m, 8 seasons and counting
Rooney - £27m, 10 seasons and counting
Okay you don't only get that from English talent but it could be argued that we even overpaid for De Gea, £19m for a striker who had only had two senior seasons in his career to date. But if they're young and particularly if they're home grown it's often proven that it's worth the investment. If we pay £30m for Shaw and he's here until the same age Evra is then it's a good 13 -15 years we could get out of him.
Ferdinand - £27m, 12 seasons
Carrick - £18.6m, 8 seasons and counting
Rooney - £27m, 10 seasons and counting
Okay you don't only get that from English talent but it could be argued that we even overpaid for De Gea, £19m for a striker who had only had two senior seasons in his career to date. But if they're young and particularly if they're home grown it's often proven that it's worth the investment. If we pay £30m for Shaw and he's here until the same age Evra is then it's a good 13 -15 years we could get out of him.
It's not as simple as not 'having' to sell. There's a lot of things a football club doesn't have to do but it's probably a good idea if they did. We don't have to buy anyone this summer but most would agree we probably should. There's no having to about any transfer that ever happens. We could have kept hold of Ronaldo and paid his wages while he sulked on the beach for two years if we wanted.
Southampton might not be in a position where they have to sell him but probably are in a position where it's damn good idea not to turn down £30m
I was going to bring Rio up as well. That would be close 40m possibly in today's money. Opposition fans said we're mad for paying that much but it paid out over the years of excellent service we got from him.
And look who we bought him from, a club who would have been so desperate for money they'd have taken all their clothes off and danced for a sixpence.
Desperate for money and stupid enough to accept defunct currency. Youve got to love Leeds.
Rio was already an established star when we signed him and Rooney was the next superstar striker in everyone's eyes. Don't think you can compare them to Shaw at all. He's not a match winner like Wayne and he isn't a CB who can dominate and marshal a defense. He's an 18 year old LB with no international experience, no European experience, and no big club experience. He had one very good (not great) season.
That's worth £34m? You can sign much better players in that position for much less.
That's worth £34m? You can sign much better players in that position for much less.
I don't agree. He will become the most expensive full back (be it right back or left back) of all times if we sign him for the mentioned 30-34m pounds.
Even on modern game that sum is beyond absurd. It is what you expect to pay for a proven player, not for an 18 years old protege.
At 18 he's played 60 caps in Premier League and is in the England team. He plays in a position that world football has a dearth of talent in, and at such a young age is one of few fullbacks who are superior defensively than offensively.
Wouldn't Alves and Coentrao still be more expensive?
Alves was 23m + 7m depending on other staff so maximum would have been 30m pounds (actually, their equivalent on euro). Coentrao was 30m euro.
United as a company and global brand makes obscene amounts of money through sponsiorship deals. Why does anyone give a shit what we pay for players? Either in wages or transfer fees so long as we're not paying amounts that would put us out of business I'd prefer to see the money go towards keeping the club competitive than going into the pockets of the Glazers.
All I care about is that we get the right person in the right position and get back in the hunt for trophies as soon as. If LVG felt that buttner was the man to do a job then I'm not going to demand he buys a left back. He appears to think that Shaw is the player he wants in this position in order to build a team to challenge for the league, so be it!
Shaw may prove to be a flop and LVG will be held accountable for that but why care how much United are going to spend on him??
All I care about is that we get the right person in the right position and get back in the hunt for trophies as soon as. If LVG felt that buttner was the man to do a job then I'm not going to demand he buys a left back. He appears to think that Shaw is the player he wants in this position in order to build a team to challenge for the league, so be it!
Shaw may prove to be a flop and LVG will be held accountable for that but why care how much United are going to spend on him??
This is something that many still fail to understand. If he's not worth £27m then nobody will pay it. As it stands it looks like he is worth £27m to us.
Im talking in general here. You get better value for money with spanish and german talent then with british ones
There is a difference between what Rio had already done and achieved at that point in time. He was a proven world class CB.
Shaw is younger, yes, but he is not proven enough. He sure has bags of potential, but Shaw and Rio signings can't be compared. Hence I do understand people wincing at paying over 30m for him.
Having said that, I just want us to quickly sort this!!! I have been hoping for a LB for the last two seasons.
Rio was not considered a 29m player when we signed him, that's for sure. Most opposition fans felt we're bat crazy to pay that much for a defender who's club were desperate for money. Shaw's not exactly inexperienced at a high level either, and has more years than Rio had ahead of him when we signed Rio. Also, thought it was known that Ducker and co indicated we're not paying 34m and have not lodged a new bid. 27m for a LB who could be at the club for nigh on a decade and give us his best year is a decent gamble I'd say.
Disagree. Rio was not world class when we signed him. He was a very good CB but certainly not world class nor was he considered to be worth as much as we paid for him.
Shaw is not as "proven" as Rio was when we signed him but, he is about as proven as Rooney was when we signed him.
The club should give a shit because we are setting our own standards. If we pay 27-35m for a beanpole and baines reserve then imagine what other clubs would be asking for their top talent.
Wc tend to inflate prices but it can also diflate them. Id say we move for 1-2 other options and only then offer a take it or leave it fee for shaw. If they refuse it, well, good luck for them finding a buyer ready to spend 23m+ on an 18 yr old lb with zero CL experience
Rooney was fresh from a successful major tournament. Shaw was a reserve in a tournament were england finished last
Rooney was a striker and those are more expensive
I wouldnt be surprised if this deal fell through now, He obviously wants to come, has made arrangements to come, the stifling factor is the bloody fee. 34m is more than enough and at this point yes, Southampton are indeed being greedy and completely over-valuing their player. If they dont want to sell all they have to do is say "No sorry, hes not for sale" were being played here for a ridiculous fee and its getting to the stage where Southampton seem to be pissing about with the future of one of their young stars.
He has potential to elevate his game, be part of something special and a new era at one of the worlds biggest clubs and they seem to be dangling a carrot in front of him saying "yeah the fee is good, 27m, but we want more, were sure United will bid". Considering he is a young guy you can imagine how exciting it would be to sign for such a club as ours not to mention the insane wages hed be on.
Theres being stubborn and then theres being plainly harsh.
He has potential to elevate his game, be part of something special and a new era at one of the worlds biggest clubs and they seem to be dangling a carrot in front of him saying "yeah the fee is good, 27m, but we want more, were sure United will bid". Considering he is a young guy you can imagine how exciting it would be to sign for such a club as ours not to mention the insane wages hed be on.
Theres being stubborn and then theres being plainly harsh.
We are also talking 10 years of inflation, City, Chelsea and PSG pushing prices through the roof.
Shaw was coming off making the PFA Team of the year.
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