The Times are saying our bid has now been rejected.
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People thought Jamie Jackson was bad in terms of doom and gloom... reading Northcroft's article is like pouring septic tank after septic tank over your head.
A month ago, Jamie Jackson did say that the £27m bid was rejected (exactly what The Times are saying), so this is either not news or JJ was a bit premature in saying that the bid was rejected. http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/12/rio-ferdinand-leaves-manchester-united-luke-shaw
Either way, I wouldn't say there's really anything to worry about. By all accounts the bid that has been rejected is the first offer put on the table.
Article was by Northcroft. I'd rather trust Ogden, Ladyman and Ducker who have all said the deal has been done in principle and will be announced after the WC.
I don't see a bid in the region of 27m getting rejected unless Southampton sense getting lot more from other club/s. Rather go for Blind then than paying more than 27 to Southampton for Shaw.
Summary of article:
- Move for Luke Shaw has stalled - leading to fears within Old Trafford that the club face another frustrating summer transfer window.
- Emerged that United did not come close to delivering on claim that deal for Shaw would be pushed through prior to World Cup.
- No agreement reached on fee and United nowhere near to persuading Southampton to sell Shaw (basically the first three paragraphs all say the same thing).
- Transfer would have to wait until after England return from Brazil, and United not only club wanting to sign Shaw.
- Woodward remains confident he's close to pulling off several major transfers.
- Southampton hope to get £30m for Shaw should they be forced into a sale.
- United groundwork largely done by Moyes and player favours move to Old Trafford, but Moyes' departure caused a break in deal.
- Other delays in United's transfer activities was decision of LVG to abandon move for Kroos and decide against bidding for Fabregas.
- LVG raised questions over club's transfer operations before agreeing to take United job.
- Keen to sign Schweinsteiger and Hummels but will be hard to get them over the line.
- All the above led to concerns United may repeat last summer's transfer window in which Woodward failed with pursuits of Fabregas, Bale and Ronaldo and to pull off joint Fellaini & Baines deal.
- Then a paragraph on rubbing in that other clubs have signed players this window.
- Another headache for United been inability to sell players deemed surplus to the squad (e.g. Anderson and Hernandez)
This one really should be and I think will completed shortly after the World Cup. No way Southampton will continue to haggle us around the 30m mark, that would be silly business on their part.
If it's been rejected I hope we go for someone else.
If we have to go beyond the thirty million mark then I hope we say feck it and move on because it would be ridiculous going that high for an eighteen year old left back !
I agree to an extent but put your mind forward 10 years from now, if he goes on to have a career that we all think he could very well have. It could prove great business, just look at Rio.
If Southampton truly rejected 30m then we have to move on and find someone else. Geez, English talent is so overrated these days.
still taking a vague bit of hope from that Woodward is confident he's close to pulling off major deals line 
Which is why I'm tolerant of paying £30m for him in the first place, because without the Rio, Rooney and to an extent, though different circumstances, Lampard examples this wouldn't make sense at all . But when the figure goes above thirty million then it becomes a bit silly and we know that half of that get's us someone who can also perform immediately and let the long term take care of itself because in five years there still would be leftbacks that can be signed too . The club wouldn't have sunk if we had missed out on Rio and Rooney but they certainly made things a lot easier but not to an extent of justifying around £35m for an 18yr old leftback .
Aye.
What's next? Everton asking 50 million pounds plus for Barkley?! The "English" tax gets more ridiculous each year...
Rio and Rooney were also more proven.
Rio came off the back of a impressive World Cup and was decent for Leeds in their champions league run.
Rooney came off the back of impressive euros. I want Shaw to come but he's done nothing to suggest to me that he's worth £30m.
Rio came off the back of a impressive World Cup and was decent for Leeds in their champions league run.
Rooney came off the back of impressive euros. I want Shaw to come but he's done nothing to suggest to me that he's worth £30m.
Agree with your sentiments but most things today is dearer than it was 10 years ago! £30m in football terms is the new 10-15m from 10 years ago!
My point exactly.
Its not as if British talent is the best talent in the world. Germany, Italy, France, Spain, Brazil etc can produce much better talent and less ridiculous prices.
Id say we produce our own British talent while buying foreigners. There are quite a good number of quality full backs around. Moreno and coentrao to name a few.
I really want Shaw but if Southampton reject £30 million - then we are better off turning our attention to Blind!
Honestly, If Southampton reject a bid of £27m [why is everyone adding an extra £3m] then I really hope for the sake of sanity we go for someone else. There's Bernat, Alex Sandro and Rodriguez all of whom are good enough to play for United and cost less. What's the world turning to? I don't even care he's English and will play for a million years, the fact that Chelsea find this fee absurd says it all.
It probably is too much, but we are in no position to haggle. We need a LB, are not in the CL, so cannot attract the world class european defenders. He will be our LB for years, so the money will balance itself out. Southampton are playing a dangerous game here. If he does not have as good a season for them next year they will wish they had snatched our hand off.
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He's quite clearly clueless, I bet he thought the same last summer also. Although I have to say the article is a bit mixed, it says we're way off persuading Soton to sell Shaw when we've bid £27m for him, then goes on to say if they were to sell it'd take £30m? Has our £27m bid actually been rejected and if it has why haven't we just offered £30m straight up? I think the journalist may be getting it wrong here.still taking a vague bit of hope from that Woodward is confident he's close to pulling off major deals line
Not when accomplished player like Fabregas goes for £27m !
Coentrao would be my preferred alternative to Shaw.
Northcroft / The Times are just trying to stir the pot. It can't be doom and gloom if we've initially bid £27m and Soton are holding out for £30m. Sounds like a standard negotiating situation, with both parties not a million miles apart. Best case scenario is that Shaw stays on the bench all summer, so there's no chance of hype driving the price up.
According to the article, they rejected £27m and want £30m.
Unsurprising. He's a complete and utter moron. As long as Woodward is in that position then we are going to require a DoF to complete deals. Utterly fecking clueless.
That said, some of the article is stretching a bit. None of the British press have a clue what LVG thinks. They have no route to him. As for Shaw, it will not surprise me one bit if we fail. The tone for the summer is already being set.
That said, some of the article is stretching a bit. None of the British press have a clue what LVG thinks. They have no route to him. As for Shaw, it will not surprise me one bit if we fail. The tone for the summer is already being set.
I would offer £30m and not a penny more. If Southampton aren't prepared to accept that for him then offer £15m for Coentrao and Real would probably agree.
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Unlikely. He's either just signed a new contract or about too - they're selling marcelo.
30 million was a joke from day one...please move on to other more sensible targets.
A request for those claiming Shaw would sort out the LB position for the next ten years...can I have the lottery numbers for the next 10 years too!
A request for those claiming Shaw would sort out the LB position for the next ten years...can I have the lottery numbers for the next 10 years too!
Where did you get that info from? They would be crazy to do so. He was their first choice LB. If they are selling Marcelo, I would love to have him here.
This is one for a different thread but Coentrao has never been a true "galactico" to Real. Last summer they were reportedly happy to let him go for something like £8m if they could sign their LB target? Test them with about £15m and see what happens.
That's what Spanish press believe. Coentrao won place back in the team cause marcelo got an injury - he then couldn't get back in the team. Coentrao was first pick from around the new year
That's when he was surplus to requirements. He's their first pick - they are not selling.
If we can't get Shaw, we can just get Blind. He'd be a fraction of the price.
If Southampton don't accept that they can do one. They'll never, ever get an offer like this one again. We've been proactive with this one, either Shaw pushes it over the line or we look elsewhere. We've done our bit, he needs to do his.
Tbh, the signing isn't and shouldn't be our priority. I would move on. The only other teams in this league who would want him aren't going to pay that, and in Europe thats what they would expect to pay for a proven player.
I don't get this 'next 10 years stuff', unless there are some mystic Megs out there as there are sooo many variables its impossible to say that. Remember Fabio anyone starting in CL final against Barca and where is he now, bloody Cardiff.
The lad is worth 10- 15m tops. There are other options out there.
I don't get this 'next 10 years stuff', unless there are some mystic Megs out there as there are sooo many variables its impossible to say that. Remember Fabio anyone starting in CL final against Barca and where is he now, bloody Cardiff.
The lad is worth 10- 15m tops. There are other options out there.
If Southampton want to be smartarsed and reject even 30 million, I say let's switch our priorities ASAP. There is certainly no dearth of talented young left backs across Europe these days as opposed to right backs. Some of them are bound to be available :
1 Ricardo Rodriguez (Wolfsburg) - One the best already IMO. Just 22 and won't cost a lot. 20 million should seal the deal.
2 Layvin Kurzawa (Monaco) - Evra's heir apparent for France. Should be cheap.
3 Alberto Moreno (Sevilla) - If he hasn't signed with Liverpool yet, I say let's hijack the deal. We have the added attraction of his mates De Gea and Mata.
4 Juan Bernat (Valencia) - Same as Moreno.
Daley Blind (Ajax), De Sciglio (Milan) - can play both LB and RB, Ben Davies (Swansea) , Sead Kolasinac (Schalke) as backup options.
1 Ricardo Rodriguez (Wolfsburg) - One the best already IMO. Just 22 and won't cost a lot. 20 million should seal the deal.
2 Layvin Kurzawa (Monaco) - Evra's heir apparent for France. Should be cheap.
3 Alberto Moreno (Sevilla) - If he hasn't signed with Liverpool yet, I say let's hijack the deal. We have the added attraction of his mates De Gea and Mata.
4 Juan Bernat (Valencia) - Same as Moreno.
Daley Blind (Ajax), De Sciglio (Milan) - can play both LB and RB, Ben Davies (Swansea) , Sead Kolasinac (Schalke) as backup options.
It depends where the story has come for on the Shaw part - Southampton want it too look like they are fighting to keep hold of their player so this could be just part of the game. However, woodwards track record does not provide any confidence.
A little unrelated, but when you watch England players, does make me think how the media talk them up. What we call world beaters, are just regular players to other countries.
I remember a press conference with Pep when he was Barca manager, and someone asked what his thoughts were on Whiltshire, he said good player but we have many Whiltshire's in our B squad (or something like that).....
Shaw's good but Evra can still do a job even Southampton piss us about....
I remember a press conference with Pep when he was Barca manager, and someone asked what his thoughts were on Whiltshire, he said good player but we have many Whiltshire's in our B squad (or something like that).....
Shaw's good but Evra can still do a job even Southampton piss us about....
It seems this is at the same stage as the Lallana Liverpool transfer in that Southampton are playing hardball over the fee (as they're entitled to do to be fair) and it might be up to the player to hand in a transfer request to perhaps force their hand. I'd like Shaw but I wouldn't go a penny over the £27 million now. Give them a short timescale to accept it and if not, move on.
Maybe van Gaal might think Blind is good enough to sign or have an alternative target in mind. Also, if there is any truth in the Vermaelan rumours, he can cover left back in an emergency.
Either way, it's time for us to play hardball. Accept the bid or we move on and we do so quickly.
Maybe van Gaal might think Blind is good enough to sign or have an alternative target in mind. Also, if there is any truth in the Vermaelan rumours, he can cover left back in an emergency.
Either way, it's time for us to play hardball. Accept the bid or we move on and we do so quickly.
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