Luke Shaw | Deal done! Almost...

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RedBistro said:
The only mistake Shaw made for the first goal was not being at right back, where James Milner was.
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He wasn't goal side of the goalscorer, Milner was at fault at RB yes, but Shaw made a mistake in terms of his positioning when the cross came in.
 
Adebesi said:
OK well it doesnt feel like you are really acknowledging my point there. Fair enough. As I said, I am all for signing him, but Im not surprised at all that people hoped for more.
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You can't judge a player from one game that he was just decent it. I think people are putting too much into utd throwing 30million at him. He's 18 with shitloadsa potential..thats what the 30million is for

Cassidy said:
Its true that, however with the price tag, you expect more, regardless if the player is 18 or not. I'm sure if it was a £15-£20m potential signing people wouldn't be reacting the way they are.
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Please tell me what exactly do you want an 18 year old left back to do to justify the price?

Cina said:
Very good point, if this were 2011.
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Aye he's not been consistantly good for a while, but he does still have games now and then where he is 'unplayable' and even when he has a stinker he can produce flashes of brilliance.
 
And we know why it has stalled. Southampton's chairman said that no more players will be sold until a new manager is in place. Difference between selling Lambert and Lallana/Shaw.
 
This is getting ridiculous with every new tweet and rumour.

Why the club's not coming with some official statement to counter this avalanche of bullshit... Could it be that United doesn't care and just do their business with their usual tempo ? I would love this to be true, but feckin hell... can we have from time to time some official rock solid news from the club ? ...or is it too much and too early at this stage before transfer window ?
 
Van Piorsing said:
This is getting ridiculous with every new tweet and rumour.

Why the club's not coming with some official statement to counter this avalanche of bullshit... Could it be that United doesn't care and just do their business with their usual tempo ? I would love this to be true, but feckin hell... can we have from time to time some official rock solid news from the club ? ...or is it too much and too early at this stage before transfer window ?
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Did we ever used to get any rock solid news from the club? By all accounts we quite literally tried as hard as possible to leak nothing at all.
 
This Pilib fecker has to be stopped. Bullshit after bullshit. And he is all the way over in LA. Shut the feck up asshole!
 
It actually depresses me that someone gets paid to write that.
 
Have we been linked with Busquets yet? Surely he is crying now that half of his Barca mates are leaving and wants to join Sanchez and Alba at United!? I also saw some pics of him and DDG together with Spain, it's definitely on!
 
From a newbie:

SaintNick said:
OK, thoughts on Luke Shaw as a player, his future, your chances of signing him.

Just for perspective I've been a season ticket holder for over 20 years at the Dell/ St Marys. Although have rivalries I'm bit old for petty slagging off other clubs (apart from when their used to be another club along the coast but don't think they are still in professional football ;) ). I can't say you are my favourite team, mainly due to usual thing of backing underdogs etc, but I recognise the relevative standing of clubs, finances, support, champions league etc.

Shaw
He is very good, however, I think much of the media reporting on him is lazy. I don't know whether it is just because of his age, or because he follows recent graduates of Walcott, Bale and OxC, but he is often described as very good going forward and weak defensively. He isn't weak defensively.
He stands out due to his maturity in attitude, ability and strength - at 18 he is more complete than the previous three I mentioned. He is freakily calm, confident and physically strong for an 18 year old. Defensively he has been excellent this season, in my opinion (and guess professional footballers ) the best. I have not seen him struggle at all this season, can't really remember him being beaten, for example januzaj didn't get close to beating him, Shaw was calm and faster.
IMHO, he is already ahead of Baines or Cole defensively - with the only fault being, very occasionally positioning. Due to his speed he often sits in the opponents half, even when attackers are behind him. This maybe the manager's instruction (but we've got rid of him ;) ).
His attacking ability, at the moment, is over rated. He gets the ball forward quickly, running with it, stretching opposition, but his final product isn't great (Clyne is better going forward but trying to keep him quiet!).
Good signing? Undoubtedly. You are trying to buy potential. Remember he is 18, how many players play more than handful of games in the premier league at 18? This is his second season as well, Cole was 20, Baines 21, Evra 25, before they played at this level - and not only has he played but played well over a season, consistently to make the PFA player of the season - he is a long way better than any of those were at his age.

A lot of posts on your Shaw thread talk about other players failing to make their potential when hailed at this age. I think that is an unfair comparison - he is already proved his consistency, and if I can brag for a moment, is from our acedemy, you don't get better preparation. We are also big on character, Bale, OxC, Walcott, Ward Prowse, Chambers, Shaw, all level headed.
Would he be good signing? No doubt at all. If he peaks early he will be international level / top prem player for a decade, if he improves as most players do will be better than Cole who is best I've seen for while whatever I think of him!

Will he leave this window? Likely but by no means certain. He has been here since he was 8. He recently commented about how no-one can imagine playing, and being on top of ManCity at home (as said by their manager and captain) and as 18 year old there were four players who have played together for saints in same team from under 8s. We have something like 4 in under 19, including captain (another 18 year old fullback!) And two other younger players moved up - Shaw and Ward Prowse captaining u21s.
He will leave, but I am not convinced following some very positive Southampton comments by his parents, that he is in rush. He will be on huge money for his age (he can't drive) he has already made team of season and world cup so several of usual reasons for leaving are not there.appreciate its sore point but you can't offer him champions league, what if he left, and you didn't qualify again? (Personally think you will but not guaranteed).
He may think that another year or two then move to top four - he still would be youngest defender at that level.
I appreciate its a done deal in papers, but wasn't it all agreed before end of season according to them? We also had this last summer, papers waiting to announce him at Chelsea... Then he signed 5 year contract.

The other thing to remember is Southampton do not want to sell (applies for Lallana) and do not need the money.

There is a lot of wrong information printed, although they are starting to realise their errors.

Our owner has made it clear, she is not selling and doesn't think team has peaked. Her father died before our first promotion from league one - we were I think 8th league 1 when she took over, two promotions, prem 14th then 8th...she has spent the money, she only started going to games last season and clearly loves it.
The official club statement has said all young players on long contracts, do not need to sell any and money available this window.
That said, depending on money offered and players attitude to it any player can be sold, but I think fact we have turned down (from official website) multiple bids for players shows rumours of fire sale were wrong - if desperate we would have cashed in on Lallana and Shaw a month ago and be over £50m richer.

The strongest rumours, from local BBC sports news, is Lallana sulking for move, Shaw being very professional. Bids of £25 & £28 turned down. Manager likely to be Koeman (hmm famous defender, Shaw??) Or Magath, but tip for you Yakin has dropped out in odds as was signing for Moscow but believe he has pulled out, very well thought of, his agent said interested, just won Swiss league twice - where our owner lives. Anyway, reporter states that new manager will get £30-50m PLUS anything raised - Koeman could get Indi martin and classie for a lot less to replace those two.

Gut feeling, 80% likely you will get him & I wish him well.
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Seems like the good sort, give that man a promotion!
 
He makes a good point about character. Bale for example, is extremely driven and comes across well in interviews. Same with the Ox and Theo.
 
I'd much rather a full back who is excellent defensively but is still developing his attacking game than vice versa. Especially considering that, with his pace, he will at least give teams something to worry about going forward and his final ball will only improve with experience.
 
walsh said:
I'd much rather a full back who is excellent defensively but is still developing his attacking game than vice versa. Especially considering that, with his pace, he will at least give teams something to worry about going forward and his final ball will only improve with experience.
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Makes even more sense when we still have Evra, who had his best end product for us last season and still offers a fair bit going forward while his defending is almost non-existant.

If we have a match where we have nothing to lose and just need to bomb forward Evra could be a good tactical option, whereas for 90% of matches having the balance of good defending and good attacking from Shaw might be the best idea
 
You just have to laugh when people try and say Shaw is good going forward and poor defensively. I see it all the time on other forums and it is so clear they are just saying it because of his age and being suspect defensively is just the common criticism of all young fullbacks.
 
James Ducker said a deal has been agreed in principal with Southampton for Shaw.
 
Luke Shaw told Southampton he wanted Man Utd move last month
By Ben SmithBBC Sport

Southampton's England full-back Luke Shaw told Saints he wanted to join Manchester United on the final day of the Premier League season.

The 18-year-old defender had spoken to the club's hierarchy at an event held at a hotel after the 1-1 home draw with United on 11 May.

By that time, United had already made a £27m offer for the left-back.

Southampton will not consider allowing any more of their players to leave until a new manager is appointed.

England striker Rickie Lambert has already been sold to Liverpool,while club captain Adam Lallana has been the subject of multiple bidsfrom the Anfield club.

Saints hope to appoint a successor to former manager Mauricio Pochettino - who joined Tottenham in late May - within the next 10 days, with former Dutch international Ronald Koeman a leading candidate for the post.

Shaw, though, has made his intentions clear.

The youngster had been asked to clarify his future quickly, with England manager Roy Hodgson making it clear he wanted squad members to sort out proposed transfers before the World Cup begins on 12 June.

Southampton, however, will only sell if the circumstances are right.
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limerickcitykid said:
You just have to laugh when people try and say Shaw is good going forward and poor defensively. I see it all the time on other forums and it is so clear they are just saying it because of his age and being suspect defensively is just the common criticism of all young fullbacks.
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Agreed. If anything, his attacking play isn't good enough yet.
 
The whole "Southampton don't want to sell" thing just strikes me as a bit of lip service. No way that they can turn down c£30m for an 18 year old.

I imagine that a deal is already done, Saints just want to save some face and Luke wants to wait til after the WC to announce it.
 
If a deal has been agreed and a new manager will presumably be expected to be bound to this 'agreement in principle' deal they have, why does he need to be appointed for it to go through?
 
Hopefully people will now stop coming up with "Need to sort this deal quickly or Chelsea will Gazump" line now. The deal is done.
 
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