Luke Shaw | Deal done! Almost...

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Andy Mitten: "Manchester United is confident L.Shaw will be coming to Manchester United and his parent have preference for ‪#‎MUFC‬ move also."
 
Is something happening now? I just got a twitter notification saying 13 people have followed luke shaw, is it on?
 
Didn't notice him much last night. Didn't seem to have much time on the ball and Ecuador seemed to concentrate on targeting Milner at RB with is understandable.
 
Jammydodger7 said:
Didn't notice him much last night. Didn't seem to have much time on the ball and Ecuador seemed to concentrate on targeting Milner at RB with is understandable.
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He didn't look at £30m player atall but then again it was his first start for England. Some glimpses he looked classy.
 
El-Manos said:
Not sure if already posted :

Andy Mitten: "Manchester United is confident L.Shaw will be coming to Manchester United and his parent have preference for ‪#‎MUFC‬ move also."
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He's supposed to be quite reliable with United related gossip, isn't he? I wont fully believe it until BBC report it but it's looking good at the minute.
 
He was poor the other night. A lot of his attacking play seemed really obvious, but he was maybe trying too hard to be safe and calm on his full debut, plus he's a pretty calm individual anyway for his age, very mature.
 
ivaldo said:
I can't see how Smalling can be blamed at all for that goal, if he positioned himself any further back then Amy near post ball and we'd be talking about how far back he was. It was a terrific cross and its the of the full back to sweep in that instance.
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Watch it again Smalling had his body position all wrong hence he couldn't adjust. Not saying he would have got to it (we don't know) but regardless he will get picked up for this of one of the coaches for sure.
 
Sir A1ex said:
Have you been asleep for two years? Even my missus expressed surprise and slight annoyance when twice in a row Valencia put in crosses which made no contact whatsoever with the shins of the defender standing 2 feet in front of him.
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There's massive exaggeration on here surrounding Valencia's game and that includes the supposed number of times he apparently hits players shins with the ball. You're just further contributing to this by saying he rarely gets crosses into the box, that's nonsense.
 
100 said:
There's massive exaggeration on here surrounding Valencia's game and that includes the supposed number of times he apparently hits players shins with the ball. You're just further contributing to this by saying he rarely gets crosses into the box, that's nonsense.
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Valencia gets plenty of crosses in. The only problem is most of them are into the crowd and not into the box.
 
Defending is secondary to what a full-back does anyway. Has been for years.
 
Plugsy said:
Defending is secondary to what a full-back does anyway. Has been for years.
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Not really - you tend now to have one defending full back and the other has more license to roam. Sagna defended for us, whilst Gibbs went forward more often. The same is replicated across many clubs.
 
Plugsy said:
Defending is secondary to what a full-back does anyway. Has been for years.
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Having watched Milner the other night (and with the promise of Johnson to come) you can't really trot out that old crap.
 
That's more to do with the dearth in quality full backs these days, although Juanfran and Filipe Luis finally got noticed after a couple of seasons showing they can defend excellently while providing attacking outlets going forward.
 
alastair said:
Not really - you tend now to have one defending full back and the other has more license to roam. Sagna defended for us, whilst Gibbs went forward more often. The same is replicated across many clubs.
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And to illustrate that when United and Barcelona were at their peaks over the last 5-7 years they had Evra/Alves and Abidal/Neville/Brown/O'Shea. Since Barcelona brought in Alba to play opposite Alves and Rafael became a regular opposite Evra the two defences have just gotten worse and worse. It's not rocket science - if you play two poor defenders in a back four you're not going to have a strong defence. Fullbacks still need to defend. Well that is unless defending in general is now secondary to attacking.
 
The posters who don't think Valencia is good enough and also want to sign Shaw for 30 million must be bamboozled after the England game.
 
Brwned said:
And to illustrate that when United and Barcelona were at their peaks over the last 5-7 years they had Evra/Alves and Abidal/Neville/Brown/O'Shea. Since Barcelona brought in Alba to play opposite Alves and Rafael became a regular opposite Evra the two defences have just gotten worse and worse. It's not rocket science - if you play two poor defenders in a back four you're not going to have a strong defence. Fullbacks still need to defend.
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Agreed.
 
He was fecking awful. Stood off one the most predictable wingers he'll meet at every turn. He even opened up the right channel at times in fear of Valencia cutting in on his left (LOLZ). The few times he ventured forwards he either wasted it or played it very safe.

Understandable for a teenager, but not for a 30m touted one.
 
B20 said:
He was fecking awful. Stood off one the most predictable wingers he'll meet at every turn. He even opened up the right channel at times in fear of Valencia cutting in on his left (LOLZ). The few times he ventured forwards he either wasted it or played it very safe.

Understandable for a teenager, but not for a 30m touted one.
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And yet, he totally shut down Januzaj a couple of weeks ago. Weird.
 
100 said:
There's massive exaggeration on here surrounding Valencia's game and that includes the supposed number of times he apparently hits players shins with the ball.
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It's no exaggeration, I've spent the last year watching it with my own eyes. I can't remember ever seeing a United winger so incapable of beating his man (or in a lot of cases, beating his man then waiting for him to ctatch up) before crossing as Valencia this last season.
 
Dunno where all this 'Shaw was crap for England' the other night is coming from. I thought he was effective enough and did ok. Valencia had a good game, and when he does there isn't many left backs that can cope with him. It's not as if Valencia bamboozled him at every attempt and made him look silly.

Rewatch the game and compare Shaws performance to the lad who replaced him after an hour. Shaw did fine, that Flannigan was totally ineffective and looked out of his depth and never got to grips with the game.
 
RamblingRebel said:
Dunno where all this 'Shaw was crap for England' the other night is coming from. I thought he was effective enough and did ok. Valencia had a good game, and when he does there isn't many left backs that can cope with him. It's not as if Valencia bamboozled him at every attempt and made him look silly.

Rewatch the game and compare Shaws performance to the lad who replaced him after an hour. Shaw did fine, that Flannigan was totally ineffective and looked out of his depth and never got to grips with the game.
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I think he made a mistake for that first goal, otherwise he was ok.
 
RamblingRebel said:
Dunno where all this 'Shaw was crap for England' the other night is coming from. I thought he was effective enough and did ok. Valencia had a good game, and when he does there isn't many left backs that can cope with him. It's not as if Valencia bamboozled him at every attempt and made him look silly.

Rewatch the game and compare Shaws performance to the lad who replaced him after an hour. Shaw did fine, that Flannigan was totally ineffective and looked out of his depth and never got to grips with the game.
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No surprise it was a Liverpool fan on here that labelled his performance 'fecking awful'. :rolleyes:
 
Adebesi said:
But you can see this is not a ringing endorsement for a £30m player? That is the point really isnt it? Its all relative.
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I guess it's the going rate if you consider the potential, longevity, and 'English tax'. The lad has all the ingredients to become one of the best imo. If the bean counters give the thumbs up, and it means beating Chelsea, City, Liverpool ect to a future star then I'm all for it.

It is a lot of money, but so was Ferdinand and Rooney at the time.
 
RamblingRebel said:
I guess it's the going rate if you consider the potential, longevity, and 'English tax'. The lad has all the ingredients to become one of the best imo. If the bean counters give the thumbs up, and it means beating Chelsea, City, Liverpool ect to a future star then I'm all for it.

It is a lot of money, but so was Ferdinand and Rooney at the time.
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Absolutely, Im not disputing that. Im all for signing him as well. Bring it on.

BUT. If you are in the market for a player for £30m and then you watch him play for England and "he was effective enough and did OK", it gives you pause. You say, OK it was an international and there is often a period of adjustment with that: fine. But at the same time you might hope for a bit more. Some players take to international football like a fish to water. At the other end of the scale, some find it harder to adjust - to international football, as well as to life at Man United.

All Im saying is its hardly surprising that people will comment, and even possibly overreact, to a fairly average display for a player who is about to become one of the most expensive defenders ever.
 
Adebesi said:
Absolutely, Im not disputing that. Im all for signing him as well. Bring it on.

BUT. If you are in the market for a player for £30m and then you watch him play for England and "he was effective enough and did OK", it gives you pause. You say, OK it was an international and there is often a period of adjustment with that: fine. But at the same time you might hope for a bit more. Some players take to international football like a fish to water. At the other end of the scale, some find it harder to adjust - to international football, as well as to life at Man United.

All Im saying is its hardly surprising that people will comment, and even possibly overreact, to a fairly average display for a player who is about to become one of the most expensive defenders ever.
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The lads 18 and making his full debut for his country against a right winger, who on his day makes even the very best left backs look silly. Can't really fault him for not being perfect. As I see it he will get better and better the more he grows as a player. To me he looks like he's one of those players in the same mould as Irwin. He will never be the most spectacular but he is always solid and effective. To me players like that are priceless.
 
RamblingRebel said:
The lads 18 and making his full debut for his country against a right winger, who on his day makes even the very best left backs look silly. Can't really fault him for not being perfect. As I see it he will get better and better the more he grows as a player. To me he looks like he's one of those players in the same mould as Irwin. He will never be the most spectacular but he is always solid and effective. To me players like that are priceless.
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Its true that, however with the price tag, you expect more, regardless if the player is 18 or not. I'm sure if it was a £15-£20m potential signing people wouldn't be reacting the way they are.
 
RamblingRebel said:
The lads 18 and making his full debut for his country against a right winger, who on his day makes even the very best left backs look silly. Can't really fault him for not being perfect. As I see it he will get better and better the more he grows as a player. To me he looks like he's one of those players in the same mould as Irwin. He will never be the most spectacular but he is always solid and effective. To me players like that are priceless.
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Very good point, if this were 2011.
 
He kept Januzaj very quiet a few weeks ago, which many left backs this season have failed to do.
 
Adebesi said:
Absolutely, Im not disputing that. Im all for signing him as well. Bring it on.

BUT. If you are in the market for a player for £30m and then you watch him play for England and "he was effective enough and did OK", it gives you pause. You say, OK it was an international and there is often a period of adjustment with that: fine. But at the same time you might hope for a bit more. Some players take to international football like a fish to water. At the other end of the scale, some find it harder to adjust - to international football, as well as to life at Man United.

All Im saying is its hardly surprising that people will comment, and even possibly overreact, to a fairly average display for a player who is about to become one of the most expensive defenders ever.
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I'd argue Shaw did exactly that. I was there at the Denmark game and he was easily one of the best players on the pitch in the second half and looked at home in the side.
 
In which case him being a bit meh against Ecuador wasnt about him being young and new to international football, it was something else. Either way, and again: you can see why people are scrutinising him and would hope for more from a £30m player.
 
Adebesi said:
In which case him being a bit meh against Ecuador wasnt about him being young and new to international football, it was something else. Either way, and again: you can see why people are scrutinising him and would hope for more from a £30m player.
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sure but we know international football is its own can of worms. Some players perform better at international level than they do at some clubs or vice versa. Hate to use this example to illustrate what I'm saying but Kleberson
 
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