Luke Shaw | Deal done! Almost...
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I suppose it was a matter of time before a journo took a punt on this rumour
Wouldn't be a bad option but the fee would have to come right down for Shaw and it would be good to see Hernandez play week in week out.
Can we not loan him to them for a year or two and then bring him back when RVP is done?
I don't think he's ready yet. He's still only 18 and could develop his game before the big money move.
I disagree. He has shown already at international level that he has the technique and temperament to succeed on a higher stage, and a year playing in competitions he knows (i.e. no Europe) under the tutelage of Patrice Evra will be all he needs. I'd rather we bought him now than wait and have a Chelsea or a Man City pinch him a year or two down the line.
Maybe 5 years ago I'd have agreed with you (and that's not when Shaw was 13), but more and more players are making those big money moves earlier in their career and I think now, with everyone at Southampton seemingly jumping ship, is probably the best time for him to move on.
Naah, too old for a loan move. He'l want to be a starter and whoever wants him wouldnt want to let him leave again after 2yrs. Dont think he'd want it either.
Think its pretty much inevitable he'l leave, has been for a while. Too good for his current role, not good enough to be a starter for us.
Hernandez to Southampton would make sense if they could actually keep their best players and the manager. Now that they are going to be pretty much dismantled with Lambert already gone and the likes of Shaw, Rodriguez and Lallana looking very likely to follow (Lovren and Schneiderlin departures not out of question either) I don't think he should move to a club this unstable.
He's played 1 England friendly against Denmark and only 60 PL games in total. Young players often have a period in which they fail to progress or even go backwards. You don't want to be doing that at 18 at Man Utd with a new manager and intense pressure for top4.
He'd also be good to drive the price down if it came to it. I like Hernandez as much as the next person but he's not gonna stick around much longer and no one can blame him. I think him to Southampton is a great move. 10-15m + Chich?
since Chicarito is a player of the club, he's an asset, not a member of your family... I wouldn't really be interested in whether it's the right move for him I'd wish him well but If i thought the deal would help United, I'd be all for it.
Southampton would probably ask for something ridiculous - 20 million and Hernandez or something, they already know how much we want and need Shaw. I fear we've backed ourselves into a corner with this pursuit with little to no alternatives linked with us. Baines will soon be 30 and would need to be replaced soon, Coentrao has done very well for Madrid recently and will probably be a rotation player there for the nearest future and we've not even been linked with anyone else, have we?
I think we might get Shaw but it won't be for a good price.
From Andy Mitten's latest column.
Sounds a bit harsh put like that but I agree. Players aren't moved to clubs against their will these days, so it would be up to Hernandez anyway - if he feels Soton would be a good move then it's not a bad deal.
I'll be gutted to see him go, but I've resigned myself to it happening for some time now.
Exactly, I doesn't mean I dont respect him or rate him, it's simply business.
Because Gibbs is bettah, innit guv.
No chance Hernandez will got to Southampton. They must be crazy!.
If he leaves he will certainly be good enough for a top 6 la liga team, or even top 4 Seria A.
If he leaves he will certainly be good enough for a top 6 la liga team, or even top 4 Seria A.
Which is why keeping Patrice Evra around is a good idea.
Yes a young English player should not go to Manchester United when he's being offered triple the wages and most likely a position in the starting XI. If the argument was that United shouldn't be spending that kind of money on an 18 year old I can understand, but for an 18 year old to pass up United when being offered a fantastic wage packet and assurances over his position in the first team so that he can kick on at Southampton would be mental.
I think its the fact we missed bale from southampton that we don't want to make the same mistake with shaw .
No it wouldn't - this is about what's best for Shaw long-term not about what's best for Man Utd. Jones would have been better off spending another year or two at Blackburn polishing his game at CB instead of playing utility boy for you.
That 'utility boy' already has a title winning experience but of course he should stay in Blackburn and never take lessons from Sir Alex Ferguson because Peterstorey from the internet know obviously better.
Jones was playing centre midfield for Blackburn that season as well. You know feck all.
The Jones situation is very different TBH. He came in when Vida and Ferdie were there and clearly had a few years to go.
Evra looks like he is coming to an end at LB, so Shaw if he came, would get a lot of starts this season, and if he did well he would probably make first choice. If not this season then definitely next (given Evra only has a 1 year extension)
Instead he should stay at Southampton a club who is not going to be challenging for the title next season and won't be in contention to quality for the UCL, on top of that they will be selling a few players this summer and they don't have a manager (lost a good manager due to their lack of ambition it seems)
I think the opportunity at present at United is actually a very good one for him.
Jones came in to a team fresh off of winning the PL and getting to the finals of the Champions League. Shaw would be purchased for the sole purpose of being groomed as United's starting left back for the next decade plus. Jones had to compete with an in form Rio and Vidic, Shaw has to compete with an in decline Evra who's likely to be used as cover and is part of the squad more for his experience, leadership and spirit.
It's not the same scenario. Playing every week and making more money at United than you'd ever make at Southampton for a manager like LVG who has developed the current best left back in the world, David Alaba, is a far better situation for his development as a player.
Did the same logic apply to Walcott and Ox making their big moves?
Or Ramsey.
And Bale.
No, but you can argue it should have! considering it took Walcott years to perform to any consistant standard, and Ox still hasn't cemented a first team place.
Don't think Arsenal or Tottenham regret any of those moves. Maybe those teenage sensations didn't turn into instant hits but they came good eventually. Injuries were what slowed progress, not pressure or the manager or whatever.
And that's part of the strategy of keeping Evra around to limit the wear and tear
And that's part of the strategy of keeping Evra around to limit the wear and tear
So Phil Jones would have become a better player if he'd stayed at Blackburn, and facing the likes of Brighton, Rotherham, Yeovil and Barnsley, instead of moving to Manchester United and playing against the likes of Bayern Munich, Barcelona and Real Madrid?
Sure, whatever you say.
I'm sure Jones curses the day he went from mighty Blackburn to Manchester United.
What a dreadful move for him that was..
What a dreadful move for him that was..
Tbf I think pete has a decent point about Jones. I think he's been used in far too many positions and rotated too much.
Why would he?
At United he will be first teamer. No club would spend 27m on a reserve (unless they spend it on a pile of crap with fancy hair). At 18 Shaw is attracting clubs out of pure potential. God knows how the big clubs will see him in 2 years time and who may pop out from someone's youth academy to steal his limelight.
Jones had more to worry then Shaw. First of all he was not a 27m signing. Also United were well stocked in CD, with Rio, Vidic, Smalling and Evans. Shaw will be a 27m signing who virtually has little competition for a first team place.
My post was a reaction to Peterstorey claiming Jones should have stayed at Blackburn.
But yeah his move was a bit more risky than Shaw's.
The point isn't relevant though, we won't be signing Shaw to stick him in the centre of defence or any other position that isn't left back. In a years time he will have sole reins over that left back spot and he'll have the advantage of learning from one of The leagues best ever left backs in his prime.
That's the reason why he has to move. There's a big club who wants him and whose ready to offer top dollar for him and give him a first team place. With so many top clubs moving for left full backs (Chelsea, Man United and Liverpool), its time for him to move. If Chelsea get Luis, Liverpool gets Moreno and lets say us get a quality LB then Shaw may find himself stuck at Southampton for a long long time
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