My apologies... make an exception for one unproven, deeply mediocre Dutch youngster.
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My apologies... make an exception for one unproven, deeply mediocre Dutch youngster.
This was your original charge:
No exception has been made, unless you're really calling me a muppet for having a particular interest in one young, Dutch player, who I've said has to be evaluated at the world cup? I think being the Ajax player of the year is better proof of quality than that which is attributed to Shaw, anyway. But do carry on.
It really isn't. At all.
How is doing well for Ajax more of a sign of a players capability to perform for us than performing as well as any left-back in the Premier League? Do we even need to go into the list of names that have looked like world beaters in Holland and underwhelmed elsewhere?
OK. DWelbz19 has given us his ipse dixit so no more needs to be said on the issue. If it improves the mood of a few frustrated Caf muppets, I'll publicly withdraw my opinions on Daley Blind, Luke Shaw and Cesc Fabregas. Let's offer Southampton whatever they ask for Shaw and do likewise for Fabregas. Just spend the money, please.
Apparently, it's worthy of contempt to say you don't want to see the club you support held to ransom over the signing of an 18-year-old fullback as it is to suggest we spend our time more wisely than chasing the run-away Cesc Fabregas around all summer again.
Dear me.
You're seething, mate.
Who could deny it if DWelbz19 says so?
I hate that people get so caught up on how much we potentially could pay for a player. I mean, if the club has the funds available (which we seemingly do) why don't we want to see the players with the most ability/potential come in? It's not like it's coming out of your bank account and the club wouldn't spend the money if they didn't think it made financial sense.
Ultimately, United will sign who they want to for whatever fee they want to. Personally, I think paying over 30 million for Luke Shaw sets a ridiculous precedent for future signings. It isn't wrong for fans to discuss a player's value. Why would we laugh at PSG signing David Luiz for 50 million if that wasn't true?
Then there's the second factor of this ridiculous money (both in terms of the transfer fee and the wages of the player) creating apathy towards the game in general. As an example, it's tough to find a person who doesn't think Wayne Rooney's wages are totally obscene and though I wouldn't disagree that it's part of the modern game, it makes it less attractive to me, in all honesty.
They probably haven't rejected our second bid or whatever. Or even rejected one at all. BUT if they did reject a 27 million bid then that is ludicrous from them. That's a terrific offer for a young left full-back. I could maybe understand if they came back with a negotiation and counter-offer. To flat out reject it would be odd though. It's a good offer.
If they rejected 27m then negotiations should end there. Ridiculous.
I don't think Chelsea would be all that interested considering how much it would cost to actually land him. Shaw can want to go there all he wants, Southampton will not budge on their valuation as we have probably found out. Of course Chelsea could afford it, but they aren't going to spend that much on a left back when they already have a good one in Azpilicueta who'll just turn 25 when the season starts and when they have more pressing concerns in the squad such as a Striker and probably a midfielder as cover for the departing Lampard and Luiz. This isn't the Chelsea of old where they're going to spend 100 million per summer anymore.
From a United perspective, while I agree the fee is ridiculous and there are cheaper options available, I still think he's worth it. If there's been one area in recent years that England has been able to produce undisputed world class players that are better than or equal to foreign counterparts it is in defense.
From a United perspective, while I agree the fee is ridiculous and there are cheaper options available, I still think he's worth it. If there's been one area in recent years that England has been able to produce undisputed world class players that are better than or equal to foreign counterparts it is in defense.
Football has already reached those astronomical levels where it has becomes almost entirely removed from the lives of the normal person. Shaw provides an almost guaranteed high level of performance for many years to come, just like Ferdinand did. I really don't think £30m is quite as outrageous as some people are making out, it's what we paid for Rio a decade ago! We also know that these reported fees are never one lump sum transferred from club A to club B. Again, like Ferdinand, there will be several clauses which means that we'll only pay the full amount should the player and the team see success on the field and in that case, everyone is happy.
Don't worry lads. It's happening.
PSG have spent 30 million on defenders three times in three years.
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And while we can't be directly compared with clubs like PSG, it really isn't a huge amount of money in today's market. Didn't Madrid pay more than that for Illaramendi who has only been peripheral to this point? You pay for quality, you pay for potential and we all know you pay more for homegrown talent. Add these things together and you see why the fee is so high.
What makes you so confident?
I have sources and they're telling me this is definitely going to happen or not happen.
Not sure about that. My sources says you are wrong and they were right about the Bellion signing.
Nonsensical argument, I wonder how many players actually play for their boyhood teams in relation to the ones who do not
I'm sure he'd jump at the chance to sign for Chelsea or United, you really think he'd sign for us and then not give it his all because in an ideal world he'd be playing for Chelsea??
Keane followed Celtic and Spurs
Theres talk Rio was a follower of Liverpool for at least some period due to his idol Barnes
Bruce as was Carrick were Newcastle fans (remember geordies really seem to have a strong attachment to their club)
Rooney LEFT Everton
Others
Cashley Cole left his boyhood team Arsenal
Carragher supported Everton
Just some I can think of from memory, I'm sure there are a load of others, I don't think you can question the commitment of a player due to who they support..
This is going to be a long one, our club seemingly take weeks to figure out how much to bid next.
It's quite clear they were waiting for the MP situation to play out before doing anything.
Ole Gunnar was a Liverpool fan - can safely say he's United through and through nowadays...
Yeah of course that's my point, it doesn't matter who a player supports in most cases, it's not a reason not to want them in your team
Indeed. Players are professionals, 99 times out of 100 they will make the move that best suits their career at the time. That's one of the more important jobs of an agent really, making sure their client makes the best possible career move as opposed to an emotional decision.
Scott Brown is a Rangers man but plays for Celtic, even though Rangers offered the chance to play for them at the same time Celtic did.
Man, Southampton are really getting shanked this summer.
I have to say that if I were Southampton I'd be be banking one of the big deals for Lallana or Shaw quickly. Everyone knows they need to make up their £27M loss this summer. If they get, say, £25M for Lallana from Liverpool they can hardball all summer with us on Shaw (or vice versa).
I have to say that if I were Southampton I'd be be banking one of the big deals for Lallana or Shaw quickly. Everyone knows they need to make up their £27M loss this summer. If they get, say, £25M for Lallana from Liverpool they can hardball all summer with us on Shaw (or vice versa).
I think the hold up was over Pochettino.
Now he has gone to Spurs they are clear to sell / do what they want. Hence Ricky Lambert leaving.
Now he has gone to Spurs they are clear to sell / do what they want. Hence Ricky Lambert leaving.
Surely it was the fact the England team were training in Portugal? They're back now and it would help to get their futures sorted before the World Cup.
Could be both scenarios. Now that England are back on home soil, Shaw is out of tonight's game, United would like to get this deal done & wrapped up before England head off on Sunday.
Nailed it.
The fact that we're "back at the negotiating table" must surely be encouraging.
Shaw was rejected by Chelsea as a youth player.., i doubt he even cares for them anymore. Hes probably a Southampton fan more than anything.
Fact is Southampton we're busy trying to convince their manager not to leave. Now that situation resolved they are now in a position to consider transfers. Their chairman Krueger pretty much confirmed this.
"On the future of skipper Lallana and England left-back Shaw, Krueger said: "Under the circumstances we wanted to wait to clarify the manager's situation to move forward. There are no deals done."
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...finding-a-replacement-for-mauricio-pochettino
"On the future of skipper Lallana and England left-back Shaw, Krueger said: "Under the circumstances we wanted to wait to clarify the manager's situation to move forward. There are no deals done."
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...finding-a-replacement-for-mauricio-pochettino
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