He should be ignored and not quoted in any transfer thread. In fact it goes for all the made up, ITK, retard, twatter shite.
It adds unnecessary fuel to an frustrating fire
It adds unnecessary fuel to an frustrating fire
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I'd shut the transfer forum and force the muppets to follow redcafe twitter instead. Move the main player threads to the football forum for sensible discussion and anybody acting like a 13 year old girl or posting ThagOn or ThiagOff a million times a second gets canned.
Wouldn't shut it down but I would go back to the update only threads we used to have a few years ago. Agree with everything else, though.
Well I'm hardly doting on his every word but it is rather apparent how he flits from one opinion to the next on a daily basis. I personally find that annoying (if you don't that's fine, move on).
Like most, I am prone to a mild bout of muppetitis every summer but nothing has truly whet my appetite since the Thiago/Fabregas threads.
The reason for any delay. 
He looks remarkably like Michael Gove in that video.
NSFW sountrack that.I'm pretty surprised that Pete can't see Shaw is a good defender already. He's not at the level of someone like Ashley Cole but I'd be very surprised if he didn't reach Evra's level defensively. Comparisons to Johnson and Walker are just so far off the mark it's untrue. I think there's more questions about his ability in the final third to be honest. Great link up play but in terms of overall contribution in attack he's got a fair way to go yet to be up there with most other attacking fullbacks at top clubs.
Not at a comparable stage. I think Shaw is more likely to make up into the superstar fullback but I'm not convinced on what I've seen so far.
Typical Arsenal fan, that's all really.
Bitter that Shaw is already outstripping Gibbs despite the latter finally making some of the promised progress this season.
Both Jackson and Ogden fairly confident he's heading here. One can hope
Seems like the only rational explanation to me.
I also believe that Van Gaal has his own targets, one of whom I hope and would also imagine is Jordy Clasie from Feyenoord. I have no clue who the others may be but I think Strootman is in there somewhere too.
Just reading the words "Kyle Walker" in a thread about a pacey fullback with one great season under him that we're paying 30 million for has make me break out in a cold sweat, even if that's totally unfair.
He already pretty much confirmed Strootman is a target to the Dutch media, I would be surprised if we do not sign him, whether it will be January or this window. Good player, do not think he belongs in that 'world-class' category but he is still young so we'll see.
Would he really be first choice at Chelsea? Azpil was decent last season. He's very solid defensively which Mourinho loves as well and I can't see him replacing Ivanovic as a RB. There back four seems quite settled, surely they'd rather a cheaper option and once that is willing to be back-up?
Johnson had barely played a handful of games for West Ham let alone 2 seasons among the best fullbacks in the league at 18. Walker was always just about his pace and fairly hard shot, had one good season and then a terrible one. Again, not an 18 year old who had 2 seasons among the best in the league - thats exactly what Walker wasnt able to do. How do you find a way to walk further from sanity?
Only an Arsenal fan will think that Gibbs is better than Shaw.
No he won't. Well depends on how Azpi and Ivanovic play next season. But as what you said their back four seems settled already. All they need just a centre back to replace David Luiz spot or someone to take on John Terry spot since Terry will be 34 this December. I don't see Ivanovic as a world class centre back. He plays better as a right back at the moment.
Yeah. Although, Ivanovic was really impressive against Liverpool as a CB. So I guess the concern would be if they decide to shift him to a permanent CB and then Shaw would get a look-in as the LB. Don't see that happening just yet though. They have Zouma developing too. So yeah, Shaw going there for first team football doesn't make a lot of sense.
I think Shaw could be first choice at Chelsea its just down to what the manager wants to do. Theres no reason they have to switch Azp off left back or put Ivanovic in the middle. In fact given how well the back four and midfield protected Cech last season Mourinho would probably want minimal changes as he's already done the hard work there and can focus on other areas.
But at the same time Chelsea have more than enough resources and versatility to make it happen and I'm sure Mourinho knows he can spend a few more months working with players in new positions and Shaw at left back and it'll be just as solid because he's a good defender who wont let you down. He's dependable.
The thing with Zouma is that although you can clearly see the raw qualities for a dominant CB especially in the air, he's a kid who unlike Shaw wasnt among his teams best players and wasnt their best CB. He's a project they hope will come good in a season or two but you never know, he might not. Shaw is a sure thing.
But at the same time Chelsea have more than enough resources and versatility to make it happen and I'm sure Mourinho knows he can spend a few more months working with players in new positions and Shaw at left back and it'll be just as solid because he's a good defender who wont let you down. He's dependable.
The thing with Zouma is that although you can clearly see the raw qualities for a dominant CB especially in the air, he's a kid who unlike Shaw wasnt among his teams best players and wasnt their best CB. He's a project they hope will come good in a season or two but you never know, he might not. Shaw is a sure thing.
well thier is also the chance he wouldn't be first choice here, i can't evra signing on with out reassurances he will be first choice this sesason.
i was starting to think shaw would stay at the saints but with Pochettino looking liky on his way to spurs, i woud guess it will prompt a bit of an Exodus.
Of course Evra would sign for another year without being certain as first choice. He likes it at United and the top teams would have as many issues with his defending as we do, hence they arent rolling out the carpet to welcome him
im not sure thats true, evra strikes me as a player who wants to play, and would rather leave then sit on the bench.
but i guess we'll have to wait and see, certinly hope shaw signs and is first choice. but we'll have to wait till after the world cup i guess. still i see evra signing as bad sign, maybe im wrong but thats how i interpret it.
Every player wants to play, but I highly doubt Evra is under any illusions as to his chances of being first choice if we can land someone like Shaw. It's obvious to everyone else that he needs replacing as first choice now, so I'm sure it's obvious to him.
He'll have signed knowing that someone like Shaw would be used reasonably cautiously, so Evra would still get a good chunk of games. And although he's not one of our big big salaries, he presumably gets paid as well here as he would anywhere that would play him as first choice.
Chelsea don't need a defender.
They have Ivanovic, Cesar, Van Aanholt, Bertrand, Kalas, Terry, Cahill, Zouma.
They have Ivanovic, Cesar, Van Aanholt, Bertrand, Kalas, Terry, Cahill, Zouma.
well we'll have to wait and see.
personly i think very few players admit to them selfs that they are getting on and arnt as good as they use to be, most live in denial, so i don't think in evras head he will be thinking he needs to be replaced.
so guess i think evra would have gone somewhere else unless he was reassured about been first choice. but where both just guessing so who knows
as shaw, not shaw(sorry couldn't resist)we need to be to be to cautious with him, he's just done basically his second full season with Southampton, we have no CL football, so he not gonna be over loaded with games. personly i think the worse thing we can do is heavily rotate him if we got him. players learn by playing. so unless he gets injured or is overly tired, really i'd only give evra the cup games, which i can't imagen him been happy about.
so i just think evra signing is a bad sign
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He has a chance of playing if his performances warrant it. If they dont warrant it he sits on the bench.
Inter were the only club in for Evra and they're just about top 5 in at best the 4th strongest league around. Evra might have an ego and want to play as much as possible still, but if his only offer is to go play in a weaker league and not even compete for the top spots he's going to want to stay.
We were always going to want to keep Evra around if we signed Shaw to have an experienced option if needed and to compete with him for the spot. Buttner has nothing about him thats better than Shaw. Not a single thing. So he couldnt give him competition for his spot.
Evra is different and statistically had his best season offensively last year in terms of making things happen. Defensively he was weak like he has been for many years. Against certain teams we can get away with Evra at left back against the best ones he'll be exposed.
Chelsea have been known to buy players just so other teams can't get them, and they will have the money from the Mata and Luiz deals. I highly doubt they'll pass up the chance to sign a highly rated English prospect, who also happens to be a Chelsea fan. Shaw wouldn't have stalled on the deal if Chelsea weren't involved.
I have little optimism with regards to Shaw signing. Why the hold up, we could have had it sewn up before WC squad was announced. Instead nothing happens for 3 weeks and then Evra agrees a year extension, Ashley Cole is not offered a deal and then Chelsea have sh1t loads of money from Luiz sale followed by rumors of a hold up in the deal.
Just sounds like typical United, terrible at getting deals done and tights as a nuns front bum and also typical Chelsea, sly bastards stealing our signings.
I never liked our chances of signing anyone when we were winning Leagues and getting to CL finals under SAF. Now....it will be a long and disappointing summer I'm afraid.
Just sounds like typical United, terrible at getting deals done and tights as a nuns front bum and also typical Chelsea, sly bastards stealing our signings.
I never liked our chances of signing anyone when we were winning Leagues and getting to CL finals under SAF. Now....it will be a long and disappointing summer I'm afraid.
Your criticism is wrong because by all accounts we've offered more money to both the club and player than what Chelsea were willing to offer.
Bertrand and Van Aanholt aren't nearly good enough to regularly play in their first team. I'd be very surprised if Bertrand isn't sold. He didn't look out of place at Villa. He'd be a good option for a mid-bottom table side.
My criticism is based on my thoughts alone not on concrete evidence, but Chelsea have done this in the past and our recent spending under Ed has been embarrassing. I for one could never see us outbidding Chelsea financially. The underhand tactics and ridiculous agents fees they reportedly paid Hazard rep shows how far they will go. You surely do not have 100% confirmation about what was offered by both clubs and you may not agree with me but that does not mean my criticism is wrong. Until the window closes or Shaw signs on the dotted line for another club it is all speculative.
Don't know what else we could have done short of holding a gun to his head with a pen in the other hand . We have offered him terms that few leftbacks ever get and by all accounts done more than is necessary to seal the deal . Sometimes it's not United being tight fisted bastards but has more to do with the player's preferred destination or his club just being unwilling to do business at any level .
and how are we going to see if evras performanes warrant it? whens he going to play? we arnt in the champions league so it would be daft heavily rotate, so where basically going to be playing one or the other most of the time.
and the worse possible thing we could do after spending 30 signing shaw is not play him regularly, think about the amount of good young players who have moved to a bigger club not got regular games and never recovered. even if it only one season, the loss of momentum for shaw, the knock to his confidence, the playing rust could massivly damage his career. if we sign shaw he has to be first choice and play nearly every league game unless he gets injured or is to tired or has a really awful run of games.
so where does that leave evra, with cup games and the od league game? can you see him signing on for that?
bottom line is i can't see either player signing a contract for us this summer if they without garantees they will be first choice.
He's going to get chances, Shaw is young enough not to have to play every week. Even Buttner got games. 5 starts is enough time to show if you should be starting more.
Another thing about Evra is his wages. He wouldnt have been getting the same as at United if he went to Inter.
This is pretty obvious.
Also we are notoriously strict with 'being held to ransom' unlike other oil rich clubs.
Also you say by all accounts...that is what I'm going by, we made a bid and Mark Ogden was adamant it would go through before WC, now he has changed his tune to after WC. Do we string out another long winded transfer saga or do we move on and actually try to improve areas of the team that needs urgent attention?
This is why I questioned 'Why the hold up'?
perhaps going the other way in a player plus cash deal for Shaw?
Makes sense, doesn't it? Win-win for both sides. Chelsea get their long term Cole replacement and Southampton get another young, English LB with big club experience who is desperate for games that he won't get at Chelsea.
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