Luke Shaw | Deal done! Almost...
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Maybe, but I think Daley Blind is a better player than Shaw, anyway. If Van Gaal thinks he can get Blind, I wouldn't be perturbed in the slightest if he called off our interest in Shaw.
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It was for Suarez, no ?
Are you serious?
It's only in the English media that Shaw's ability is so exaggerated. For all I've seen of him, Blind looks like a very intelligent player. He reads the game exceptionally well and is excellent defensively while being very comfortable on the ball. More my kind of player than Shaw and would be delighted if Van Gaal is really interested in him. He's a bit like Heinze in the tackle, for me.
I hate how obvious it is that Chelsea are going to hijack this deal, they do it all the time and if they do it again he will surely reject us for them. Not much more we could have done I guess if it does happen but it really is infuriating. Hopefully some positive news will come soon but the longer we go without hearing anything reliable the more chance he will end up a Chelsea player. Safe to say it's going to be a long and likely frustrating transfer window lads!
Blind plays in a more cenral role nowadays, at left back i felt he lacked pace. I don't believe he would improve us to the level we require. Shaw is a much better option for us at LB.
Again not too fussed if we miss out on Shaw TBH. To me Rodriguez is a superior player right now, just 3 years older but more experienced and cheaper. Even if we fail to land Shaw, it's not the end of the world. Plenty of other options including Bernat, Alex Sandro, Moreno (might be Real bound though), Kurzawa who're all very talented individuals. We're bound to land up with a good and cheaper alternate option at the very least.
Blind's versatility is a big plus and he's the better all-round footballer but Shaw's a better dribbler and is more powerful. For 30 million, I'd rather not go for him, however. People are throwing this figure of 150-200 million around, but I don't think we can afford to spend anything like that without putting the club in financial difficulty. 30 million on an 18-year-old fullback would set a dreadful precedent for our summer spending.
To be honest with you i think Woodward and the club hierarchy will know what they're doing regards the threat of putting the club into financial difficulty.
We need a LB and Shaw is a very good one with immense potential who could give 10-15 years of service. Blind is a utility player from what I've seen of him, abit like John O'shea who can play afew different positions. Blind is not of the quality i feel that will improve us going forward but Shaw would definitely be an upgrade at Left back.
Blind is better than Shaw...doesn't he realize Shaw is english?"Utility player" is a term that gets thrown around to describe talented players who can play in more than one position. You'd have called Duncan Edwards a "utility player". It shows no appreciation of a player's abilities.
The first player I recall being described as such was Paul Madeley of Leeds United. As much as I detested Leeds, I always admired Madeley as a damned good player who could fit in just about anywhere.
Daley Blind is not good enough to play for Man Utd and I'm sure the Dutch posters will agree.
Giving up on English talents is a mistake for club like Manchester United. I can agree that England can't produce huge amount of them in recent times but youngsters like Shaw with Barkley would easily make an impact.
I really hope Woodward understands that creating chances of success require serious investments from his side. It applies to both business realm and football... Does he understand football realities ? That's unfortunately another story...
Blind is decent plan B, never a priority. Seriously this club is able to be extremely ambitious and you know that.
I really hope Woodward understands that creating chances of success require serious investments from his side. It applies to both business realm and football... Does he understand football realities ? That's unfortunately another story...
Blind is decent plan B, never a priority. Seriously this club is able to be extremely ambitious and you know that.
I don't think we're giving up on English talent. There are times when you wonder if the 'English tax' really is justified. Would a German teenager who has had two very good seasons for a midtable Bundesliga side command prices of 30 odd million?
Good point and I would add that Van Gaal said himself that it's not about the money when it comes to talent hunting... If the player is right choice for the club he'll pass his list to board for acceptance.
I'll be more than happy if we'll save few bucks on our choices but when I see how United dealt with price for Ferdinand and Rooney in the past, 'English tax' wasn't and shouldn't be a big deal for a club that always based their title wining teams on English players.
We can make it happen again with English core and few foreign additions to make football style more exotic and unpredictable.
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I couldn't care less what nationality the player is, as long as he is of the required standard.
So if Luke Shaw was German and playing for a mid-table German team, you'd pay 30 million for him?
if LVG has given Woodward the go-ahead to purchase Shaw then that's good enough for me regardless of where he is playing.
If being the operative word. IF Louis Van Gaal wants Shaw, then I trust his decision. But what IF he doesn't and would prefer someone else? Are we really going to feel that aggrieved over not signing Luke Shaw? I really, really won't.
Louis Van Gaal has gone on record and said he has the final say on players coming in and going out.
The question was, will you be disappointed if Van Gaal doesn't want Shaw for the ludicrous money being suggested? What if all the players being mentioned in the media are purely the old transfer targets and Van Gaal has totally different ideas? Perhaps much more cost-efficient signings. I can just see the Caf wallowing in muppetry rather than being excited about what van Gaal will build at the club.
so apart from Utd, Chelsea and the possibilty of Soton keeping him, are there any other clubs showing an interest?
Not that we know of
Blind better than Shaw?
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I wont be disappointed at all if he doesn't want Shaw, but everything points towards him giving Woodward the go-ahead.
Blind a midfielder who can also play as LB. Why would people take him over Shaw?
He's apparently rejected City's advances. That is according to the highly reliable English media.
I think it would be better for some peoples mental health if they avoided all news about transfers, 90% of it is pure bullshit and speculation beyond the debates about a players quality/suitability.
Our financial position is really very sound.
Total debt - £350m.... Yearly debt repayments - <£20m... Expected profit this year - ca £130m... Profits projected to rise substantially in the future. And, iirc, we have a lot of cash in the bank at the moment (I don't recall exactly how much and I'm too lazy to hunt it down)
I don't think a big spend would pose problems for us. We just need to get it right this time. No more Fellainis, Youngs etc.
I agree with this to be honest. If we are sincere in regards to wanting to compete for the title again next year, we should have at least 2 players signed up before the world cup. Shaw and a midfielder, it is absolutely vital we act quickly in this transfer window.
There has just been a lull in transfer activity to speculation is running wild. Let's see where we on June 12th
Shaw is already a better player than Blind and Shaw is only 18years old. We have to overpay this transfer window, due to our lack of transfer business last summer and finishing 7th in the league without Champions League football to offer. It is evident we need major reinforcement, Vidic, Rio, Evra were incredible players for this club and should be replaced by equally top-class players. This window we can not afford to get the best out of a deal, we have to spend what is necessary to bring in the required players, we have fallen behind too much compared to the other clubs. Our midfield is in an incredible dire state compared to other clubs, feck it even Spurs have a better midfield than us.
I don't know what measure you use to say that. The Caf's very "English" in terms of what they go for in a player. Phwaaaa, fast, strong and likes to cross. Technically and positionally inferior to Blind and Blind has a better left foot.
I'm not, I watch plenty of Eredivise because I'm from Belgium originally and in my opinion Shaw is a much better player already. Bale is not worth a 100 million, yet he won them the Spanish cup and probably was a major influence in winning the Champions League. You pay the price for such players but that's how you win trophies and unfortunately we are in no strong position to negotiate for months trying to get the best deal possible, as players now have better options. If we do end up signing Shaw, I can only imagine we'll get many years out of him and if he is loyal perhaps even a decade, so that means our left back position could be potentially sorted for the next decade... Yes that's worth 27 million pounds, absolutely, the lad also has the potential to be one of the best in his position.
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