It's not just about next seasons prospects though, at the moment, I see no way we can break into the top 4 while others are improving. Now of course we are still the biggest club and have a great platform to return but nothing other than our name suggests that at the moment. Liverpool on the other hand have a clear plan, we don't.
Luke Shaw | Deal done! Almost...
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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Liverpool may find it hard to repeat this seasons successes when juggling midweek cl fixtures
well thats my hopes anyway
Liverpool will build on this season's success. From what I've seen of them, this isn't going to be a one-off. That may change if Suarez hops it and they don't find a replacement for Gerrard but Rogers seems to be a man with a plan.
I keep dismissing any City links with him on the basis that he's a Chelsea fan, have I made that up from somewhere?
He's definitely Chelsea bound if that's true IMO.
Yep he is a Chelsea fan. Played a bit with them at 8 or something but didn't make their academy. If they are in for him then I'd say they'll get him. It is just if Mourinho is happy with Azpilicueta at left-back or not.
We had a perfectly decent left back in Fabio but gormless Davy let him go and left us with just Buttner and Evans at a pinch to cover.
Shaw was at Arsenal but it was felt that he was too small. Ironic that we've had Jermain Meade who was superb except for physique and now Brandon O-O at LB.
Wasn't Andy Cole at Arsenal too? Seem to remember reading that somewhere. Players we have lost eh? My old man always thought Busby was bonkers for letting Johnny Giles go.
Andy Cole was a strophead and Kevin Campbell won us the league in 91. It wasn't clear that Kev would lose his pace and 50% of his effectiveness.
When was he at Arsenal?
Did Cole ever play a 1st team game for you lot?
Yeah he did and was pretty hot. I will have a look later but Kev was way better back then.
Campbell was a pretty useful player. Just had a look at his stats on wiki and, considering who else was vying for his position, he scored a fair few goals.
He came in late in 1991 and scored 10 in the last 13, a big factor in winning the league.
Another Arsenal transfer I never got was Charlie George to Derby.
I'm only going off what it says on his Wiki page, but it says he's been at Southampton since he was 8, before that he was briefly with Chelsea.
Mirror saying he's set to join United on a £27m deal on £85k/week wages.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...united-transfers-southamptons-chelsea-3300450
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...united-transfers-southamptons-chelsea-3300450
£85k a week? They must be joking on this.
Add the £27 million to my shock too.
Add the £27 million to my shock too.
Please let this be true! Looks a fantastic prospect and that would be the LB position sorted for the next 15 years.
It's from the Sunday People. I'd ignore/take it with a massive pinch of salt. Every single week their editor Alex Shaw mentions there being some sort of article about United in the next morning's paper.
How good is Shaw then?
He doesn't strike me as the free flowing wing-back type. He only has 3 assists this season in all comps.
He doesn't strike me as the free flowing wing-back type. He only has 3 assists this season in all comps.
Pochettino is talking him up as the best left back in the world, sounds like Southampton have had bids in and are trying to boost the price higher.
All you've got to remember is that he is 18, so probably has 15 years at the top level and is one of the stars of a very promising Southampton team. He is more defensively sound than Evra due to his size and pace, as well as being competent going forward, but something I feel he really needs to build upon if he is to become world class. I reckon in a couple of years time he will improve on his movement up and down the pitch, because you are right in the sense that it isn't free flowing.
That's really not bad for a full back.
Anyway, he's quick, very solid defensively and looks good going forward. Every time I've seen him, I've been very impressed. I think he's going to be class, and would hate to see one of our rivals get him over us. Seems like a typical United signing.
Signing Shaw would be a long term project to elevate him into world class. It may require few seasons of patience but talent is there.
If Moyes is chasing English talents and is devoted to his own words of giving chances to youngsters than this lad and Barkley should be somewhere on his list.
If Moyes is chasing English talents and is devoted to his own words of giving chances to youngsters than this lad and Barkley should be somewhere on his list.
Are we really going to fall into this young english hype trap again?
27 million? in what world has this kid justified that price tag?..
Coentrao for me please
27 million? in what world has this kid justified that price tag?..
Coentrao for me please
How much have you seen of Coentrao? Or are you basing your judgement on him sitting on the bench at Madrid?
I don't think we should go for either, but am curious.
Judge him off his actual ability, his nationality has little to do with it. He's a very good, young player. 27M is a hefty price for a player of his age but like Rooney he's someone that could potentially give you 10+ years - with little threat of moving abroad.
I'm not sure we've ever really fallen into the trap, seeing as the only 2 young English players we have bought for a sum like this are Rooney and Ferdinand who have been our two most successful high value transfers.
Smalling and Jones most would agree still have a good chance of becoming long-term regulars, so except for Zaha who has hardly featured yet there's not alot of evidence of us making mistakes in buying young English players. We get it right more often than not.
Ive seen him during multiple international tournaments and matches for portugal has always impressed me and I rate him highly, actually never seen him have a bad game, do you think im just going off of his name or do you not rate him or something ?
I think a lot of people are going off his name. I rate him, but not for more than 15M. He has good versatility too, but we need to be looking at TOP players, and I don't think he's in that bracket. Our defense is being completely rebuilt, and there is no point doing it with stop-gaps.
I hope he does welll if we do sign him though. I'm just worried he will fall into the "good, but not good enough" bracket of players.
In your opinion though will Luke Shaw go on to be a TOP player though ? im not so sure myself but have seen good potential but think we are taking a massive risk putting so much faith in him now and are being forced to move quicker than we would want to based on evras situation and chelseas interest
The fee for me is far too much though, you see young players like lucas digne going from lille to PSG for 15 million which for me is about Shaws valuation at the minute
We need to hit the ground running next season and for me he doesnt inspire me with much faith to solidify such a weak position for us over the last 2 seasons..I want too never have to worry about balls coming down the right flank again, I want to see players like Navas and Walcott/Lennon etc nulified from day 1 next season and think we need proven quality there even if it is for 3-4 years
Hes just not ready yet for me
I don't understand why people balk at 20m+ prices now. This not just a temporary inflated market, this is the norm now 27m now is probably equivalent for 18 we paid for Carrick. Just like if we had to buy a talent like Rooney again we would have to fork out 50m or so
Very good. Tall, likes to dribble at decent pace, good crossing and defends well. Was one of the very best fullbacks in the league last season and he was younger than when Januzaj made his United debut... More potential than Rafael for sure.
Would be a fantastic signing. Young, talented and British. Fingers crossed.
Stupid price. Get Coentrao cheaper and better right now.
Never been impressed. Wouldn't want him for that price. Coentrao for me.
Sounds a mental high price, but that seems the way it's going.
Like others have said, you have to think he could be the answer in that positions for 10-15 years. So would work out a good price in the end.
Surely a big question mark about whether an 18/19year old can come straight in and play every week for us though. Buttner would surely have to help ease him in.
Like others have said, you have to think he could be the answer in that positions for 10-15 years. So would work out a good price in the end.
Surely a big question mark about whether an 18/19year old can come straight in and play every week for us though. Buttner would surely have to help ease him in.
With no Europe i don't think he would find it a struggle physically.
27m may be steep but you're buying potential. Unless some freak injury occurs anyone getting him will hope that he's got the LB sorted for the next 15 years, which would make the 27m fee look ridiculous.
However potential is what it is, ie it needs to be developed. Defenders tend to act funny. Some defenders who were meant for greatness have failed big time while others who were pretty average had shaped a great career for themselves.
However potential is what it is, ie it needs to be developed. Defenders tend to act funny. Some defenders who were meant for greatness have failed big time while others who were pretty average had shaped a great career for themselves.
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