This summer is pretty much going to be like the last for us, isn't it?
Luke Shaw | Deal done! Almost...
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Why? Bertrand would be fine as a backup to Azpilicueta
Nope, we're going to spend some serious cash for sure. Whether we manager to spend on our first choice targets is a different matter altogether.
He's good enough as a backup which is all they need because Mourinho likes Azpilicueta.
We spent serious cash last summer - Fellaini. We din't manage to get our supposed first choice either.
Shaw is the perfect signing, but there is zero chance he will take what is currently a step sideways and join Moyes' Manchester United.
That amount won't look serious come September 1st, 2014. I'm sure of it.
Oh do piss off.
Even in our crappest season in 20 years we're still ahead of Southampton, in their best season ever.
I think he probably meant Shaw, if he moves, wont move to a second tier team, on the same level as his own - as this is what we seem to be at the moment; he will move to one of the top 4/5 in the league.
we're not quite the same tier as Southampton.
Let's hope Shaw doesn't think as foolishly as some.
Well, there's 3 tiers in the EPL.
Top 5 challenging for UCL and league; middle 8 or so in the middle tier, Europa league and safety; and bottom 7 who try to stave of relegation.
Where in the above sentence do we lie this season?
Top 5 challenging for UCL and league; middle 8 or so in the middle tier, Europa league and safety; and bottom 7 who try to stave of relegation.
Where in the above sentence do we lie this season?
Where do you think we'll lie next season, because that's when Shaw will be playing for his new club.
Seriously? How the hell are we a sideways step when we're one of, what, the three biggest clubs in world football? If you're actually serious then that's genuinely one saddest posts I've seen since Moyes took over. One bad season has seriously warped your perspective.
agreed. There is no way we are a side step to southampton, regardless of this season. I mean Southampton...sure they might have one good season..but we have had 20 odd?...there is absolutely no comparison at all...team wise, fan wise, global wise..or goodness knows what else. Even the tea lady is superior....
Exactly. I mean even a team like Liverpool who haven't won the league in years are still a far, far, far bigger team than Southampton. We just won it last year! People really need to have more confidence in our club's stature.
Apparently, she does a bloody fine cup of Darjeeling; and her Earl Grey...?
It's justifiable to say Shaw will prefer Chelsea or City, but saying we are a sideway step to Southampton is bonkers. They are having their best season and we are having our worst and we are still above them, FFS.
No he isn't. He'll be off in the Summer regardless of signing Shaw IMO.
He's better than Buttner and we use him as backup.
We really shouldn't be the example to use here Ek given the state we're in!
Sweet Jesus! We are shit and I fully expect us to be shit next season too, but saying that United is a sidestep from Soton is stupid.
Stupid is quite kind I'd say.
Agreed!
That Southampton team will most likely be broken up soon enough too... Their best players will want to grasp the chance to play at the highest level when the top-four come sniffing in the summer..
If Jose rated him, he wouldn't have sent him on loan halfway through the season, after barely playing him. Bertrand is on his way out, and at 24, he's more than ready to be a starter somewhere else.
Absolutely nothing wrong with Bertrand. Very good player, and has rarely let Chelsea down. Was brilliant under Di Matteo, and if Chelsea were any other club with a different ethos, he wouldn't be going anywhere. Definitely good enough.
There will likely be tough competition for his signature in the Summer, from Chelski and maybe others.
Money will talk in the end. Won't be hard to persuade him to sign if we can show him that he will be one of several top class additions and sell him on our plan.
I reckon he will cost just shy of £30m wherever he ends up.
Money will talk in the end. Won't be hard to persuade him to sign if we can show him that he will be one of several top class additions and sell him on our plan.
I reckon he will cost just shy of £30m wherever he ends up.
I think Liverpool were linked with him not so long ago...
I guess we're selling Zaha.
You'll have what, just Gary Cahill as an English player next season? Why throw away more when you can already have them?
He's probably sent out to get more first team experience if he wants to be a backup next season
Mourinho on Bertrand
That's hardly a vote of confidence.
I'm fairly confident Bertrand will be sold in the summer.
This is one we really must get, fullbacks are crucial these days.
Id say Liverpool might go for him....
Pains me to say it but Liverpool is a far more attractive option for Shaw than United at the moment. That's if he hasn't already agreed a deal with Chelsea which I am assuming he has.
That's not true, you are just thinking negatively due to our depressing season. If we were talking about a 32 year old, who only had 1 or 2 years at the top left, then perhaps there is an argument that Liverpool are a better option. But Luke Shaw is a 17 year old kid, with his whole career in front of him. We are one of the biggest clubs in the world. We are on a totally different level to Liverpool. They are currently a better team than us, but we are a much bigger club, with far greater long term promise.
I am one of the more positive fans, we still have a great set up that is a great base to build on and continue to grow into the future. However, he can go into a squad that is playing proactive football and playing in the Champions League. I don't know how playing a poor brand of football fighting for a Europa League position is more attractive than that at the moment. Of course, we can get back into the Champions League and I expect to, however nothing is certain and if we continue like this under Moyes (nothing suggests otherwise) and other clubs continue to improve (Liverpool, Arsenal, Everton etc) we are not going to be playing in the Champions League for quite some time.
I agree that he is still so young and has time on his side, so there is no rush and there is no better club for him than United. However, at the moment, I don't see how a player in his position, if given the chance would pick United under Moyes over Liverpool and Rodgers.
We're probably not the most attractive option for him but we can certainly offer more than Liverpool can. Chelsea can offer more than we can, but I can't see them willing to pay as much as we'd be willing to considering Azpilucueta has done a great job for them and is only 24.
We're going to have to overpay for nearly every player we go after while we're in this mess, but at least Shaw is worth it and we'd get 10 years of service out of him.
We're going to have to overpay for nearly every player we go after while we're in this mess, but at least Shaw is worth it and we'd get 10 years of service out of him.
Ultimately he isn't going to judge where he moves to on next seasons prospects, but with the rest of his career in mind. I honestly don't think many players, other than those with allegiance to Liverpool, would choose them over us. One bad season doesn't wipe away the last quarter of a century. Would you honestly choose a move to Napoli ahead of AC Milan?
He would pick us over Liverpool every time.
Chelsea would be a different matter though. Money, better chances of trophies, mourinho, London and money (!) is more than we probably can offer.
Chelsea would be a different matter though. Money, better chances of trophies, mourinho, London and money (!) is more than we probably can offer.
If he's a player eyeing for glory and trophy, Manchester City/Chelsea>Arsenal>Liverpool>Manchester United .. in that order (if I were him)
History and past glory is one thing, but realistically with Moyes in charge there are at least 4 teams that has a far more realistic chance to win any silvercup next season. Not to mention overseas clubs and sugar daddier (although I doubt PSG would even look at him)
And if he's really good, I don't think City / Chelsea will shy away from giving him a better wages then us, unless we really break the bank and over him ridiculous money (but he's Luke shaw, not ronaldinho)
It's bleak, he might relish a new challenge if we got a good exciting manager (or proven winners) at the helm next season. And if Moyes stays next season (urgh...) I bet my bottom dollar he'll gonna go for Baines more than ever (Believing our squad is the mean bully for hating him, bringing his mates from everton, baines a good crosser from the back and stuff)
History and past glory is one thing, but realistically with Moyes in charge there are at least 4 teams that has a far more realistic chance to win any silvercup next season. Not to mention overseas clubs and sugar daddier (although I doubt PSG would even look at him)
And if he's really good, I don't think City / Chelsea will shy away from giving him a better wages then us, unless we really break the bank and over him ridiculous money (but he's Luke shaw, not ronaldinho)
It's bleak, he might relish a new challenge if we got a good exciting manager (or proven winners) at the helm next season. And if Moyes stays next season (urgh...) I bet my bottom dollar he'll gonna go for Baines more than ever (Believing our squad is the mean bully for hating him, bringing his mates from everton, baines a good crosser from the back and stuff)
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