Seems kind of pointless if both sides have to agree. Like an agreement to agree if both sides are agreeable. Are you sure you're not thinking of a different situation?
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Seems kind of pointless if both sides have to agree. Like an agreement to agree if both sides are agreeable. Are you sure you're not thinking of a different situation?
Exactly that was what I was driving at. I think we'll sign Shaw and using Evra as cover for say 7-8 league games and hopefully in what will be lengthy cup runs is a smart strategy by the club. Assuming we qualify for UCL next season and keep Evra having that kind of quality on the bench is really fantastic.
It wasn't, though. Once he played a specific number of games the option was triggered. He took up the option.
We didn't offer him a new deal because we aren't signing Shaw anymore, like you've suggested. The option was always there and was triggered.
Well said! this signing has looked like a ripoff since day one, 30 million for a LB
the deal United have reportedly offered is as way higher than i would be willing to go, honestly no blame can be attached to the club if this transfer is not completed.Yeah, why have the option there?
"Here Patrice, this contract is for 4 years but if you play a certain number of games in your 4th year you can have an extra year, if you decide you want to stay. Erm, and we decide we want to keep you"
Yet, i am pretty confident that exactly how it works. These options are not supposed to be binding or anything like that, they are not suppose to guarantee you something. Their actual purpose is to ease all legal stuff, and let respective parties to continue with an existing agreement.
Actually it's a one sided option, only one part has to trigger it, and depending of the clause that can be the player or the club but never both.
First of all, where are you getting all that from?
If this option was a formality, it would have been triggered much earlier as Evra made 45 apps this season. So even if, for argument sake, Evra did decide it on his own and MU was "forced" to agree because of the contract, hi still doe it after LVG appointment, after our failed early Shaw bid. So basically he had a talk with club and manager and they said they want him here, so he decided to stay. That what i meant when i've written "in terms of decision making it was an normal contract extension". And that's why the stuff i said about Shaw deal, that it influenced Evra's extension, still applies. If he managed to secure Shaw early, i am pretty confident club would have indicated, that Evra is not really needed and he would go. Given his free agent status finding new club with the same wages should not be a problem.
You're wrong on this mate. The option is one sided, that's the whole point in it. In this instance, United have already agreed to the extra year as long as the contractual obligation (appearances) is met.
It was triggered when he decided he wanted to stay, after he'd spoken to other interested parties. Maybe those other parties didn't offer him the same wages. Maybe he just likes United a lot and fancies another year.
I think the fact that it was an option is pretty common knowledge. It's been reported for quite a while that although Ferdinand and Vidic were going out of contract Evra had an option for an extra year in his.
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/283807.html
That article was back in February, saying the clause had been triggered and it was up to him to decide whether to take up the option or move elsewhere.
think he will also mentor Shaw and perhaps be involved in the coaching side of things...
http://www.footballdirectnews.com/m...wants-dutch-legend-s-son-as-new-left-back.php
Daley Blind...really?
Daley Blind...really?
Footballdirectnews is as good a source as any.
So what's the general consensus now? Off?
Daley Blind's best postion is as a centre midfielder apparently! He play 20 games there for Ajax this season and 16 at left back.
It's no longer a shaw thing , is it?
Well we are in desperate need for both a midfielder and a left-back...
I would not mind reading something to support this. I've never done football contract negotiations obviously, but have some experience in employment contract negotiations in general. And also i've read some stuff about it in football, like from FifPro or something. And basically it was said that all these options are really tricky and only really enforceable if both parties agree.
I'm not shaw about anything anymore.
Evra would have talked with interested parties many months ago. Notice how early Vidic made his decision. So it's pretty obvious that even if it was solely his decision, which i am not convinced was the case, i believe failure to secure Shaw immediately and maybe some vote of confidence from LVG were a key factors in his choice to stay.
Well the point is, certainly in this instance, that the club have already agreed. "Make x amount of appearances and we'll give you an extra year if you decide to stay". That's the agreement, all that's left is for the player to decide if they take up the option once they meet the trigger obligation.
He was in talks with Juventus this week, reportedly.
Be convinced. United had already agreed to the extension when they put the clause in back in 2011. Evra has now taken up the option.
Also, he didn't have to speak to other clubs in January because he knew be had the option for an extra year if he wanted, so there was no rush. Vidic was different, he was going out of contract without the fallback of an extra year.
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He is Dutch player of the year too.
In this particular case, the option is in Evra side, he is the one who can trigger it. But even if it was in the club side, Evra was free to sign for any club since he was in his contract's last year.
This particular case is easy, but you are right in general it's very tricky.
I've heard from a source within the club that he will sign for Chelsea. Our deal has been almost done, just waiting for his signature but he's been waiting for a Chelsea offer, which has basically just come.
okYup.
The thing is, I can't imagine Shaw wanting to play for van Gaal when he could be playing for Mourinho. Especially with the media banging on about what a strict authoritarian he is that is completely ruthless.
Please tell me that's a joke.
The guy has a track record in improving young players and trusting them.....Mourinho has neither of those qualities
Oh noes.
we don't really have a clue what's going on, and the press don't either.
The only surprise was in the first place when a few weeks back it looked like we'd acted decisively so quickly after the season ending.
The only surprise was in the first place when a few weeks back it looked like we'd acted decisively so quickly after the season ending.
Mourinho isn't known to be a party planner you know, you could ask Benzema. Mourinho and LVG share those similarities, all the great coaches have to be ruthless.
Balotelli, Santon, Varane, Robben, Cech.
Santon? Really? Poor player. Balotelli? Nut case. Robben and cech were signed while ranieri was in charge and I doubt if Mourinho was in charge he would have signed them. Top players though.
Fair enough on varane.
I doubt this would be a factor in Shaw's logic. If he joined Chelsea, the only factors would be having previously been a Chelsea fan, his position being vacated by his "idol" Cashley Cole, Chelsea being in the CL and having one of the best manager's in the world.
I completely disagree. The ability of a manger to improve a player will be high on their priority list - that said, the factors you mention are also key.
That said, he won't sign for Chelsea. I'm pretty sure of that.
You'll have to Luke into it.
which club would that be then?
the pudding club, the book club ???? etc etc
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