Shaw has never been consistent at anything but getting injured. He has spells were he’s great, but mostly short lived. Don’t get me wrong, I like him as a player, and the team improves when he plays, but not much more than any good specialist LB would provide.
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- Clean sheets
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- Goals
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- Assists
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- Yellow cards
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Didn't he play a 1.5 games or something in the Euros?
I'm fed up of us waiting on him to get fit but it's not like he was out for a United and was suddenly fully fit for game one of Euros.
We've all got our own opinions about Shaw and here's mine.....
Ifs, buts, maybes - woulda, coulda, shoulda!
We can argue until the cows come home about his class, quality or form but there's no argument about his availability, or, should I say, unavailability.
If INEOS and Amorim are serious then Shaw needs to be gone as soon as possible.
It's beyond belief that the club have had so called ambitions to be in the upper echelons and at the same time retained his services for over a decade when in that time he has missed the equivalent of around half the games and currently hasn't kicked a ball for us for over 8 months.
Its also ridiculous to even consider that, as he ages, his fitness record is going to improve.
It's never a week or so with him, it's weeks, then months, then back in training, then setbacks, rinse and repeat...do me a favour.
Ifs, buts, maybes - woulda, coulda, shoulda!
We can argue until the cows come home about his class, quality or form but there's no argument about his availability, or, should I say, unavailability.
If INEOS and Amorim are serious then Shaw needs to be gone as soon as possible.
It's beyond belief that the club have had so called ambitions to be in the upper echelons and at the same time retained his services for over a decade when in that time he has missed the equivalent of around half the games and currently hasn't kicked a ball for us for over 8 months.
Its also ridiculous to even consider that, as he ages, his fitness record is going to improve.
It's never a week or so with him, it's weeks, then months, then back in training, then setbacks, rinse and repeat...do me a favour.
It's the "do me a favour"
Well I m sure if he hadn't gone and play for England, he would be fit for united or at least close to be fit. Not that I have high hopes for him anyway. He should have been sold after his last good year (2021).
He should be sold in January and a new player brought in. You can't depend on a player missing half of the games every single season.
Heard from somwhere yesterday he has missed 7 seasons of football? if so thats mental
I don't know why but I read this in Roy Keane's voice
Come to think of itIt's the "do me a favour"
Never realised his appearances were so few so had to check and it is pretty shocking.
Obviously that was well documented but think people are making out like this is a regular thing where he's fit to play for England after being unfit to play for United. I can't be bothered researching but I'd be confident enough he's just as unreliable for England.
Presume he didn't take part in whole session, think he is probably more likely for Everton
Personally I don't think Luke Shaw is a viable option for left wing back given his injury woes and lack of intensity and athleticism in his game.
I think the opportunity now to play on the left of a back 3 might come at a perfect stage of his career for him. I think his minutes could be managed rotating with Martinez (who could on occasions play in the centre spot perhaps) and there would be less concerns about lack of pace as a unit if he and Yoro were on either side of a De Ligt/Maguire type.
I think the opportunity now to play on the left of a back 3 might come at a perfect stage of his career for him. I think his minutes could be managed rotating with Martinez (who could on occasions play in the centre spot perhaps) and there would be less concerns about lack of pace as a unit if he and Yoro were on either side of a De Ligt/Maguire type.
Agreed, especially if we want an attacking LWB. In most games I would say Shaw should be LCB because he has played there and looked good IMO. He can play a pass into midfield and comfortable on the ball and can defend wide areas.
In games where we go away to the top 6, he can play LWB though to give us more cover.
Kanchelskis was shown the door by SAF after playing for Russia despite being injured for United. That's how a top team keeps its standards. We should do the same with Shaw who is nowhere near as good as Kanchelskis was.
I'm warming to the idea of him playing LCB for us in a back 3.
It's a much less demanding position physically, than having to run up and down the pitch for the whole games as the left sided wing-back. He's also still really fast, he's great on the ball, and he's an excellent ball progressor, which is important for a CB in Amorim's system. I think he would also be decent at covering big spaces relatively quickly if needed.
The only gripe with it is that we would lose his overlapping and inverted runs, as well as his crosses and final ball, which are some of his best qualities...but I suppose he could interchange positions with the LWB during a match?
I hope he can somehow prolong his playing career into his 30s, because he's an absolutely world class full-back, and has spent 11 years at this club already without winning at least one PL or CL title.
It's a much less demanding position physically, than having to run up and down the pitch for the whole games as the left sided wing-back. He's also still really fast, he's great on the ball, and he's an excellent ball progressor, which is important for a CB in Amorim's system. I think he would also be decent at covering big spaces relatively quickly if needed.
The only gripe with it is that we would lose his overlapping and inverted runs, as well as his crosses and final ball, which are some of his best qualities...but I suppose he could interchange positions with the LWB during a match?
I hope he can somehow prolong his playing career into his 30s, because he's an absolutely world class full-back, and has spent 11 years at this club already without winning at least one PL or CL title.
Shaw hasn't been playing for England while telling United he's injured.
Not remotely similar.
Wow!! The international break and a new manager can do a major memory reset.
That's not the reason Kanchelskis was sold.
It’s more likely than not that Shaw will be competing with Martinez for a starting spot this year. And, fitness permitting (which is a big question), it may easily be Shaw who prevails - he is a quicker player, with better ball control and more suited to defend left channel
Think he is ideal for the LCB position if he can stay fecking fit.
Ticks all the boxes you’d look for from a profile point of view…. If he can stay fecking fit
Ticks all the boxes you’d look for from a profile point of view…. If he can stay fecking fit
I know he's been almost always injured, but I do believe that maybe we can manage him a little bit better, and still get 30-35 games out of him in a season. He's an exceptional player when fit, and since he's still at the club, why not try to make use of him?
Yes it is
Kanchelskis could play at the time but he had an injury that needed time to heal completely. United's medical team and SAF agreed to give him the time for that. Then Russia came calling and he went playing for them. Shaw was in a worse situation then Kanchelskis was. He hasn't been playing for months only for him to disrupt his recovery so he could play some games for England. Then he returned to OT injured once again.
He was Shawberto as LB, now he's gonna be our Shawldini soon as LCB, he is gonna be mint when he is fully fit.
Shawberto, Shawdini. Those are quite bold statements for someone who played 15 games in the past 2 seasons, who showed his love towards his club by disrupting his recovery plan for a small chance to play with England and who had one of the most decorated manager in EPL history saying that he needs to be micromanaged.
I'm sure the new United hierarchy will sell him soon enough. Not being fit enough is no good for the club and team especially as he will probably be on high enough wages.
I don’t know about Shawldini, but I feel it paints an equally misleading picture quoting one decorated manager known for throwing players under the bus, who talked about the tactical brain of a 20 year old who had missed two years worth of experience coming back from injury, in a way that broke his confidence - when subsequent coaches and managers have all lauded the older Shaw specifically for professional attitude, leadership skills, tactical understanding and being a role model for other players in the squad. Even the aforementioned decorated manager said in 2020 that Shaw had taken huge leaps on the pitch, after a few years under another another manager than himself.
Many people tend to recycle old memes from seven or eight years back about training attitude, body fat, tactical brain, when in fact the people who works with him has singled him out for special praise when it comes to training mentality, keeping his physical shape and tactical understanding for years after that.
That doesn’t make him a Maldini (one of the all time greatest!), but it’s fair to say that it’s bad luck with injuries who has robbed Shaw and United of being one of the better left backs around the last season, not his attitude.
Its funny that fans cannot appreciate that even footballers can have different body shapes.. Rooney was similar build and would be one of our fittest and ran the most.
We have put pressure on Shaw, from Alex Telles to Malacia and every manager always plays Shaw when fit.
It must tell you something about the character and how good he is.
When fit, he is one of our most technical players, can see a pass, can defend and understands the game alot more now.
In my opinion players can only be judged through a long period of time. That's how one can distinguish between form and sheer talent because let's face it form can make an OShea dribble past Figo or 3 players at one go. That doesn't make OShea OSheldini right?
That's the big problem with Shaw. When he plays badly no one knows if its down to him not being consistent enough or its more down to him slowly recovering from injury/playing through the pain barrier etc. Before he had built enough games to be properly judged he usually vanishes in the treatment room once again. Once that happens a squad player/a player playing out of position slots in, that hurts our performance and the so called Fabio Da Silva effect occurs ( tribute to a player who was taunted to be way better then his brother/the natural successor for Irwin despite rarely showing anything on the pitch).
I am a big fan of the term the Best Ability is Availability. I'd rather have a Phil Nev dishing 6-7 rating performance then Shawdini waving at us from the the treatment room while hoping he's fit enough to play for England.
He also had terrible longevity as a footballer, being way past his best when he had barely turned 30. And when you see the size of him as a manager you can tell that he’s someone who lacks discipline in terms of keeping in shape.
To me it seems quite obvious that some footballers are worse than others at keeping their diet and exercise exactly where it needs to be to have the best career possible. Which they can get away with for a while but eventually comes back to haunt them, either in terms of injuries, or how long they can keep playing at the highest level.
Regarding Luke Shaw, you have to take the broken leg into account. So it’s possible his biomechanics are all messed up ever since and that’s why he gets so many injuries. Which is just bad luck. But you also have to take into account that if he was carrying several kg less weight into each season then he’d be giving himself a better chance of avoiding all these injuries.
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Mint? Yeah, a polo, cracks into pieces at the first contact.
Off course I too think that availability is crucial for the consistency both of a player and of a team. That is no slight on no player, nor their talent, attitude etc - it’s just the way it works.
That is no reason to make one and a half season under a grandiose semi paranoid manager seven years ago sound like a representation of a player’s capacity, though.
Bringing ‘anyone can have a good spell’ into it also seems off, given that you are talking about a player who has shown pretty consistent high levels for club and national team since 2017, whose only dips in form has been for very short breaks directly related to coming back from injury and change of coach once (Rangnick). It doesn’t take a matematicion to see what has been class and what has been form when it comes to Shaw’s last seven years.
Again, injuries is the relevant issue with Shaw, and it’s a biggie, but IMO there is no need for casting doubt about him as a player outside of that.
Edit - My mistake, I should have said 2018, and six seasons. Shaw started doing well under Mourinho towards the end of his tenure. Since then he’s played about 235 games for club and country.
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Throughout my time following football I saw all sort of WC FBs. On one side of the spectrum there were defensive beasts such as Beppe Bergomi. Playing against the likes of him was like playing against a brick wall. On the other side of the spectrum there was Roberto Carlos whose attacking acumen was flawless. Then there were those who sat between the two ie players such as Maldini, Irwin and Zanetti. However there was one thing that united them all ie regular 7-8 rating performances, week in week out, season in season out.
This is the injury record per year for shaw
| Season | Days | Injuries | Games missed |
|---|---|---|---|
| 24/25 | 169 days | 2 | 36 |
| 23/24 | 236 days | 3 | 50 |
| 22/23 | 13 days | 1 | 3 |
| 21/22 | 85 days | 4 | 18 |
| 20/21 | 89 days | 2 | 18 |
| 19/20 | 91 days | 3 | 23 |
| 18/19 | 53 days | 4 | 11 |
| 17/18 | 190 days | 1 | 32 |
| 16/17 | 176 days | 2 | 30 |
| 15/16 | 288 days | 1 | 64 |
| 14/15 | 121 days | 4 | 31 |
As said before I don't think anyone can really judge Shaw simply because when he did play badly or was average no one could really come out and say that it was down to him. There's was always that huge question mark looming on whether that was down to him, the managers managing him, his injuries, him struggling to regain form, him picking another injury or him playing through the injury barrier. Which means that all we were left to judge him upon are his good games which skews the view on how good he really is.
Absolutely horrific injury record. Any serious club would've gotten rid a long time ago. An average of almost 29 games per year.
Terrible longevity? He's top 10 of our appearance list alone let alone his career away from our club. He put plenty of miles on his clock.
Mint as in the those mints that dissolve quickly into nothing hahahahhaa
Doesn’t change my point. He got a long way on youthful energy but hit a wall at the point where it takes much more discipline to keep in peak fitness. Giggs got his debut at 17 but wouldn’t have still been playing over 20 years later if he was carrying as much timber as Rooney.
Conveniently fit to train for new manager before getting hurt in week 3 and then sitting for a few months. F this guy.