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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 47
- Clean sheets
- 21
- Goals
- 2
- Assists
- 7
- Yellow cards
- 11
- Status
So a minor injury sidelines him for 2 months?
Initially he was benched after the Brentford game.
He's had a free pass round here for 7 years. Let's have standards as a club again and get rid.
Seconded. I’d rather Malacia put in 6/10, 7/10 every game than Shaw putting in 3,4,5/10 with the odd very good game 8/10. sorry for my odd use of measurement
He dropped off a bit in the last month of the season, but was still good. Before that he'd been fantastic all season. A combination of him being that good and the other three or so competitors for the title having off seasons meant that Shaw was (quite clearly IMO) the best in the world that season. He regained that form for the Euro's as well.
The reason I do want to give a chance to Shaw and some of the others who have shown top class at times is that this is basically the first time we've actually had a manager and coaching staff that (hopefully) know what they are doing in terms of developing players for a proper style of play. Under Ole and Jose we had players who would have a brief golden patch, but not a single player showed long-term improvement or development under them. Literally not a single player. Having Jose and Ole for six years at a time that we had a bunch of very talented young players was a devastating blow for that group, and I do believe many of them would now be much better players if they'd had proper coaching throughout this time. As it is they are all in their mid or late 20's now so I don't know if they can make up for that, but the hope is there. If by the end of this season they aren't showing anything better then by all means get rid of them, but for now I have my fingers crossed.
Ten Hag taking him out of the team whilst putting him on an intensive fitness programme. He’ll be back stronger
Yeah 1 world class season. All the other seasons he's just a very good left full who's much better with the ball than without. There's not much out there better than him imo.
I’ve long since given up on understanding this hill to die on. One (1!) good season. Goodbye to him hopefully.
Nah 5 or 6 good seasons. 1 amazing season.
Of course he is right. Malacia is not clueless with the bal. On the other hand AWB is looking like the ball is burning his feet when he has it. The guy just doesn’t know what to do with it.
I am not the biggest fan of Dalot but he has grown in his role and is always asking for the ball while not being clueless with it. He is a breath of fresh air.
If we are smart, we would look to sell him and get some money when he still has some value. Our scouting should look to get a another lb to compete with Malacia. 1 great season out of 8 plus is shambolic.
Lots of people are posting this or something similar but he has had several decent seasons. Won our player of the year at least twice.
Correction- he was our Player of the Year in 2018-19 (Fernandes won it in Shaw’s best year).
He was quite good in 18/19, a season when we were quite crap (finished 6th in the table). He was really good (probably best in the league) in 20/21, a season when we were quite good, and continued his great form in Euros. He was crap in the two seasons that followed his best seasons.
He was kept in bench by Ashley fecking Young of all people in the seasons prior to 18-19, averaging only 10 league games in his first four seasons (although his second season he had that very bad injury, but then in his fourth season he managed to play only 11 times in the league).
He has been for most part here, a total waste of space.
I agree. I just don’t think it’s too late for him. A lot of people think he simply cannot change and they might be right but they might be wrong.
Say it enough times and it becomes fact. Why our fans would want to deliberately mislead as to how good Shaw is, is beyond me.
Ok let us revisit his time here
2014-15- Raw talent, but hardly special season. Average at best with some encouraging games. Played just 16 league games
2015-16- Injured
2016-17- average season with mostly inconsistent performances. Featured in just 11 PL games. Second fiddle to Ashley young
2017-18- Another poor season with highly inconsistent performances. Again second fiddle to 35 years Ashley fecking Young who was outperforming him.
2018-19 average start to the season and a decent second half. In a season of shit, he was least shit so yeah fair play. But again hardly great, let alone world class.
2019-20- Again average where fans were happy to see Brandon Williams being selected ahead of him. His only highlight from that season was calling out Lukaku in twitter
2020-21- Hands down amazing season. A brilliant season, also an amazing euros.
2021-22- Back to being average again and being injury prone.
So 1 great season out of 8. And if we are being generous, 1 and a half out of 8.
To be fair, in 17/18 Young actually started the season on fire with arguably the best form of his career, probably the best leftback in the league for the first half of the season. His form dropped off in the second half of the season but Jose was his usual self and refused to drop a player he liked for a player he didn't, despite any question of form.
I agree he’s only had one great season. That’s pretty much the consensus even among the people who rate him.
Your summary assessments of the other years are too negative but I’m not claiming it’s been much better. Young was decent and Shaw was young and had injury issues so I wouldn’t make that out to be as damning as you do. Throughout Ole’s time Shaw was mainly decent.
You highlight one interesting point - Young at 35 was in the side (and playing well, I’d add). Makes it all the more ridiculous that Shaw is pronounced finished at 27.
Consistency, fitness and (apparently) attitude have been serious issues for Shaw. I think most people accept that. I don’t accept these sweeping statements that he’s been useless (I don’t see the point of them).
Shaw must be due his interview "exposing the previous managers for his poor form" anytime soon...it seems that's the new trend at the club.
This is so disingenuous. He was injured for most of his first 3 seasons with us.
Yeah, Malacia is okay tehnically. AWB looks clumsy with the ball and watching him with it I always think he's going to fall over
On Shaw: I really loved watching him play in 2018-2021 period. Can he repeat it again I don't know, he's still just 27 so it's not like he's old or anything.
This is what happens with De Gea. Good when we are crap.
And still doesn't change the fact that he has had just one great season from 8 plus. The guy is unreliable is the point.
He is not finished or useless but I don't think he is that amazing like some think he is. If we are not smart, we will have another Lingard or Pogba like situation, instead let us just sell him.
Ah, he's been plenty good the last 4 years. I wouldn't get rid is all.
He’s had 2 player of the year for us, so one out of 8 is wrong.
He’s had 1 Matt busby player of the year. He won 2 players player of the year.
Fair comment. He is talented but inconsistent and, I do admit sometimes downright poor.
I suppose he just a player that gets me off my seat and I’m willing him to get his form back. Those who say he never will may be right but I hope not.
We had a shit 18-19 and in that shit he was the least shit. Doesn't mean he was amazing or worldclass.
Pleany good, I don't think so. He was shambles last season. One great season and some good games here and there doesn't make one plenty good.
Again, I am not saying he is useless or shit but he is not reliable to keep and hope he plays 38 games in PL. Can he be our Robertson or Cancelo/Walker. I don't think so.
Injured, unfit, play bad to world class. I'd take a consistent 7/10 fullback.
He was quality for ONE SEASON. New manager who the majority of the fanbase wanted comes in and he's been dropped after two games.
This is a player who is widely renowned for being inconsistent, lazy on the pitch and regularly called out for being unfit. We've been shit for so long you've either forgotten how good the likes of Evra and Irwin were or you're too young to know.
The thing is, if he’s out of our team because he’s (essentially) fat and lazy, the likes of Newcastle will feel they can do better.
The message being sent is “we can’t do anything with this guy, anyone want him? PS his wages are a bit high”
21-22
Assists 85%
Expected assists 89%
Progressive passing distance 85%
Key passes 96%
Passes into final 3rd 80%
Shot creating actions 93%
Goal creating actions 87%
Progressive carrying distance 88%
Carries into final 3rd 94%
You don't get stats like that if you're play has been shambolic, you just don't.
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