People giving Mourinho praise for Shaw's form is hilarious considering if Woodward opened the cheque book up in the summer, Shaw wouldnt be our first choice now. As he pretty much said for months when he talked about how City bought a new back four 18 months ago. If it really took 2 years of being a cnut to a player to improve, then that's shite man management. Solksjaer comes in and within a fortnight he's got Lindelof and Matic playing brilliantly. Two players who were in shocking form.
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He was a kid recovering from a serious injury and instead of backing him the manager took every opportunity to add fuel to the fire by publicly chastising him. You only have to look at how Solskjaer handles the media now to see how ridiculously antiquated that approach was.
Finally looking like the talent we invested in.
Perhaps you can cover your ears playground style and it will make it not true. Nobody is saying JM should not have left and things didn’t go as planned, but people on the forum act like kids because they don’t like him, and speak as if we had David Brent in charge for 3 years.
Like it or not, accept it or not, he obviously knows a thing or two about football. He left Shaw out for a while, but he wasn’t rescued from the reserves by Solskjær - he was restored to the team under the former manager and given a new deal too.
Over the last 5 years of managing he's shown himself to be a completely clueless feckwit in judging young talents (Salah, De Bruyne) and a toxic cnut in general in managing his dressing rooms.
And thankfully he didn't fully get his way for one reason or another, or else we would've seen Shaw and Martial end up with a similar fate.
That’s all emotional though. The evidence suggests that he DID get his own way with Shaw, as he had already completed his recovery and been restored to the team with a new deal. Perhaps you feel getting a better performing Luke Shaw was never Jose’s intention, fair enough.
His own way with Shaw would've been buying a new LB last summer (it was where all the Alex Sandro speculation stemmed from). The reason Shaw made it back in the team was that Young couldn't make it back in time for the start of the season, Valencia was injured and Blind made his way out. There was no choice left for Mourinho but to play Shaw.
The idea Mourinho somehow developed him (by you know not playing him) is complete bollocks. Shaw was a PFA Team of the Year Full back when he was 17 years old. He's just been wasted behind vastly inferior players for the last few years, because the manager was a complete idiot.
Shaw's attitude was a problem from his first day. Whether Mourinho’s method’s helped or hurt is anyone’s guess. He had opportunities to secure his place before this season and let himself down – Young was objectively the better player last season.
I’m still not even convinced he’s that good. Looked out of his depth in both PSG legs and still offers very little attacking threat beyond running into good areas.
I’m still not even convinced he’s that good. Looked out of his depth in both PSG legs and still offers very little attacking threat beyond running into good areas.
I've seen a few of your posts lately and you're either clueless or a WUM.
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You know NOTHING about football.
Definitely a wum.
He he. Irish Jet. Certainly wumming. Out to give the Irish a bad name. Also Jets.
Okay mates.
He was as bad as Young and Bailly in the first half, nearly allowed them to kill the tie when he miscontrolled a simple ball in the box. Was better in the second half but was horrid in the first 135 mins of the tie.
He was as bad as Young and Bailly in the first half, nearly allowed them to kill the tie when he miscontrolled a simple ball in the box. Was better in the second half but was horrid in the first 135 mins of the tie.
This is a myth, lindelof was already playing well since a while. Matic however has improved massively since Ole took over.
Whilst I agree Shaw has been excellent all season and is in contention for player of the season, there is no need to make things up.
Absolute nonsense. You should invest more time in getting a clue, rather than putting it into posts like this.
I don't know how anyone could see things differently.
Before this season, he was still putting good performances in but getting dropped because Mourinho didn't like him. Then, as you said, due to the lack of options at the beginning of the season, Mourinho was forced to give him a run in the team and Shaw did what we knew he was capable of doing.
How some still defend Mourinho's management of Shaw is beyond me.
Lindelof wouldnt even start early on in the season in games like Spurs. And he had a shocker in both the City and Liverpool games prior to the new year. He was an inconsistant mess, who'd occassionally show something good. Because he's a good player. But Solksjaer plays him every week, plays him to his strengths and man manages him better. Same with Rashford. Same with Martial. Same with most of the players. Not everyone was shite every week under Mourinho, but he his man management was dreadful.
Before or after the pen?
Before, in the period we opened up and started to attack. 80-90 I’d expect.
He's not a WUM. He just doesn't like English players it seems like. His posts about Rashford are even more ridiculous.
Write Mourinho's name in your death note imo.
He was probably the most comfortable player on the entire pitch.
It did show weakness of character when he let his leg get smashed to bits at the age of 18 though.
Not even close.
Took an amazing Smalling tackle to save one of his early errors. Had that have been Young he'd be crucified. He recovered in the second half but was all over the place in the first.
Well, I dunno what you were watching but I'm gonna go with everyone else in the thread, and you stick to your guns. Even the commentators made a point to say that while Bailly and Young were getting scrambled like eggs by Di Maria and Bernat for the first half hour, Shaw and Rashford were keeping their side of the pitch completely locked down. That was in the first half, when you claim he was 'all over the place.'
So I imagined the ball going right under his foot to Alves and then the ball getting squared to Mbappe only for Smalling to make an amazing block? I'm probably also imagining him passing the ball straight to Verratti and PSG breaking on us. The right side being a shambles doesn't improve Shaw's own performance. He locked down nothing.
So you on your lonesome vs everyone else in the thread and the match day commentators. Also the Guardian, who said he 'ended the day as United's best defender', Sky, who gave him 8/10, the Telegraph, likewise... I could go on but you get the picture.
There may have been a misplaced pass or two - this was a day when everyone was making mistakes left right and centre. Verratti kept kicking the ball off the pitch. De Gea with that inexplicable punch at the end. But a misplaced pass or two doesn't undo the fact that he confidently and competently kept Mbappe (when he wasn't switching wings), Alves and eventually Meunier very quiet. All PSG's threat came down the other side or through the middle.
Death note? I have no idea what that is syrian_scholes of RedCafe.net....
Obviously you do... Light Yagami of Japan.Death note? I have no idea what that is syrian_scholes of RedCafe.net....
You're not fooling me! I'm just an honest hardworking student who longs for a better world.
Have you seen Willem Dafoe eating apples lately?
Same here, was even going on getting Chilwell to replace him
.I'm afraid not, but I have seen him shopping for some green spandex oddly enough...
Quite scary to think people here wanted to get rid for Danny Rose!
Amazed at how many wanted him gone period.
Easy to see how good he can be. Once he’s focused he’s a magnificent player. Right manager with the right tactics and he’s on fire.
Let’s not forget Sandro was trying to get a better deal at Juve. Speculation isn’t always truthful.
Jose was a long time admirer of Shaw. You don’t agree with how he managed him fair do’s but it’s garbage to make out he wanted him to fail...
Just do the Caf a favor and delete your account.
Nah fam.
What? Shaw was a good player before his injury, in fact, he looked the real deal! Mourinho did nothing to help Shaw, he chose Rojo for LB at one stage for god sake! He often criticized Shaw to the media and the reports coming from the camp about bullying going on, I am not even surprised. When Shaw started to show form, Mourinho basically took the credit saying he had to hold his hand during games.
To say Shaw looked out of his depth against PSG in the second legs of all matches, do yourself a favour and go watch baseball. While the midfield along with Young were losing any sense of composure, Luke installed some sort of calmness by rarely giving the ball away. He was trying to pick out smart short passes rather than kick the ball upfield.
Maybe you might have an idea of a better player we could replace him with (realistically).
What’s all this ‘and to think Jose wanted him gone‘ business about? He signed a new 5 year deal and got back into the team under Mourinho, not Solskjaer.
A five-year deal and salary that I seem to remember many of the caf esteemed questioning at the time and using as a means to attack both Jose and Woodward.
It's the same with Martial, would you give the manager the credit just because the French kid ended up forcing his way into the starting eleven at the end of Jose's reign and just discount all the nonsense he had been doing prior to that point?
If you don't give Jose the credit for Martial's turnaround then I don't see why you should do same for shaw
And people forget this point
Shaw did play well when called upon last season but wasn't given a fair chance and with that famous quote that Jose was providing the "brains" behind Shaw's performance. Maybe it's Ole's brain shaw is using now perhaps?
No matter how you slice or dice it, Jose was horrible in his treatment of shaw and no credit should go to him for his form (same as Martial's)
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