Cannot be relied on to stay fit for a full season. One injury and its Young starting again. Not good enough to start. Alex Sandro or Telles next season. The fact is Shaw has more support with Matic, Pogba, Martial and even Mata popping up next to him yet he still provides nothing. Valencia shouldnt be starting for us but he has no support. 100% if our play was shifted to the right side, Shaw would do the same as Valencia does.
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I don't get the criticism surrounding his performance tonight. I thought he played well. He dealt with Yedlin easily and prevented attacks from coming down our left side.
A few passes were sloppy and he was a bit hesitant to overlap sometimes but nothing crazy as everybody's energy levels were low tonight. Solid 7/10 performance from him. No complaints.
A few passes were sloppy and he was a bit hesitant to overlap sometimes but nothing crazy as everybody's energy levels were low tonight. Solid 7/10 performance from him. No complaints.
He played every minute of every match over the holiday period. Most everybody else who did the same (Pogba, Herrera, Matic) looked knackered today as well. I also don't get where he's supposed to overlap when Martial and Pogba are often in those areas and with Mata today it was even more crowded.
He looks a bit shagged out, he's not the super fit athletic type to play so many games back to back. I thought defensively he did fine again and he's looking for attacking angles with the midfield and forwards, they just ignore him a lot of the time when he makes a run for the return.
Who says he cannot be relied upon? Why are you making things up? Young does not compete with Shaw. He has played on the right hand side all season. Shaw has been injury free all season. He provides nothing? Thats laughable. He's solid defensively and I can think of numerous times he bailed us out just from tonight. Were you even watching the game?
You have to use context too. Judging Shaw based on the last game of a busy festive period in which he played every minute of where everyone is knackered and just trying to get through it is not very smart is it?
This isn't fifa. You sound deluded.
Strange how much hate he's getting.
It is congested because the left footer of that trio, doesn't want to get forward and stretch the opposition. Many teams in europe play predominantly down the left, and why does it work? because the left footed left back provides the width, the penetration into space which stretches opponents and gives the inverted right footed left wide forward space to work with in the space between the right back and right centre back.
See Alaba providing the overlaps for Ribery, with guys like Thiago inside left... or Abidal/Alba for likes of Neymar/Henry and letting Iniesta also roam in that inside left area. Chelsea do it with Marcos Alonso for Hazard, and we have Kovacic inside left. Madrid used to do it with Marcelo for Cristiano and likes of Modric/Isco inside left.
So basically you have two right footed guys in that area who predominantly cut in and you always have an outlet down the left, who has to be left footed so they can hit crosses first time on overlap or stride forward into space rather than cut back.
Tactically that flank isn't operating to its maximum because Shaw is the weak link from an offensive perspective. It also doesn't help that we lack a alternative route to goal down the right, thus keeping the opposition guessing.
It might be a confidence issue due to scars left by Jose, or fitness related but by next season this needs to be sorted out.
Firstly, I am voicing my opinion there is no need to question my intelligence. Also Mr Football Expert, Shaw has been here for 5 years. How many games has he played? Based of your expert opinion we should rely on him as our sole left footed LB because he has started half a season. Thats laughable. Yes I was watching the game, he made a few good tackles and provided nothing going forward. Paul Pogba has also played every minute and looked like a machine. Shaw never had the best engine to dominate a flank. He has shown he is a competent LB so far but nothing special. He is no Irwin or Evra. How are fans like you against signing competition for LB when one injury would mean Young is our LB. Please tell me which other LB do we have? Just because Young has been used as a RB doesnt mean he wont be played LB if we have an injury to Shaw.
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I dont think hes anything special at all.
As someone else said he's average at best.
I honestly wouldnt mind upgrading on him.
He was good defensively against a team that barely attacked. Boss.
Whenever he makes a run forward to play a one-two he seems to run into blind alleys. It's almost as if he does it as a token gesture rather than a constructive way of opening up the opposition defence. Really not sold on him and if he was replaced in the summer I would be completely fine with that.
He's clearly not developed into the player we need. perhaps the injury took something out of him offensively. Just being defensively solid is not enough to be a starting fullback for United. And yes if some of other fullbacks weren't utterly hopeless he would be getting a lot more critisism.
You are being too harsh on him i feel. He has struggled a lot with injury problems and confidence during his time here so far. Lets not forget that many experienced pros have crumbled under the pressure of playing for Man Utd, let alone a young kid. But, this season he has looked like he is really starting to mature and put all his past inconsistencies behind him.
I am glad you compared his stamina levels to Pogba. Pogba was nowhere near as good today as he has been recently. He looked visibly gassed compared to his normal self. He was taking heavy touches and misplacing passes all game. Just like the rest of the team. But you wouldn't criticise him. You expect that, that's normal at this time of the year.
Based on your reasoning, you would have got rid of Martial when he was going through a rough time 2 seasons ago under Mourinho. That would look foolish now wouldn't it? Young players take different amounts of time to mature. You say he's no Evra but Evra looked like a deer caught in the headlights when he first joined. He was 24. A year older than Shaw is now. So, can you see why i believe It's too early to write him off just yet?
Why do you keep on about him getting injured? Has he not been fully fit so far this season? You could say that about any of our players. I don't get it.
I believe that Luke Shaw is one of the most talented young full-backs in world football. I believe you should look past the early difficulties and focus on what he's capable of producing. Which is being a top class full-back. He has all the raw attributes.
Not many players can get the best of Luke Shaw 1v1. Hes defensively solid, rapid, tall and calm in possession. Hes still young so he could just do with some attacking guidance from his coaches and he would be top class. Look at how Guardiola has transformed Delph for instance. Imagine what he would do with someone like Shaw.
Why would you trade all that potential for more potential in Alex Telles or whoever you suggest? There's no guarantee that they would do any better themselves. I believe in sticking with young players and believing in them. I value and associate those core beliefs with the club. I truly believe Luke Shaw has what it takes to succeed here.
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There is no hope for this lad. He is no treat in the attacking phase and brings nothing, but talking about defending, i could say im his fan, he is quick and covers the field with running but he is far, far away from starting XI.
There's just no other club in the whole world and alternative universe would pay Luke Shaw 150k/wk. He's on Marcelo's wages.
He is steadily our best left back. Definitely deserved it.
One thing to point out is he needs to apply first time crosses from now on. Once he's in good position he always trying to take another touch before crossing.
JUST WHIP IT BOY.
One thing to point out is he needs to apply first time crosses from now on. Once he's in good position he always trying to take another touch before crossing.
JUST WHIP IT BOY.
He is a threat in attack and has pace for days... but he made quite a few errors in defence. Almost lackadaisical in some of the defending. Just switched off he did. Hope Ole puts the fear of God in him.
Shaw said about Ole, “He’s a great guy, we all back him and want him to Succeed.”
“Want him to succeed” ??
Didn’t ring true to me. Ole needs to bring down the Norse hammer.
Shaw said about Ole, “He’s a great guy, we all back him and want him to Succeed.”
“Want him to succeed” ??
Didn’t ring true to me. Ole needs to bring down the Norse hammer.
He doesn't keep width or run into space when he should. If his fitness was up to scratch he could be amazing, at least in more open games than this but I doubt that will happen. Thought he was fine defensively this game, but super slow as always offensively. Always takes 2-3 touches more than he needs and he does it very slowly, it is annoying as he often goes with the simpler pass anyways.
I like the way Shaw combines with Martial and Pogba. He's not a good crosser of the ball, but there's a big difference from what Shaw provided and Valencia provided today.
It’s his 4th game in what, 11 days?
The criticisms are absurd. It’s as if he scored an own goal. Newcastle was about the most negative team we’ve met this season and our fruitless attempts for much of the match were down to a fullback?
The criticisms are absurd. It’s as if he scored an own goal. Newcastle was about the most negative team we’ve met this season and our fruitless attempts for much of the match were down to a fullback?
He’s just a consistently average player. Rather young play LB he’s more of s threat going forward and equally as food in defence.
Nah, you need a left footer in there. Otherwise you have Martial, Pogba and Young all cutting in from the left and no natural width.
Would he be on anyone’s radar if he wasn’t young and British? A proper left back would produce so much from the space Martial and Pogba create around them on the left side.
I'm starting to agree with people who say we need to get another LB to compete with him. He's a good player but seems to take it easy since he got a new contract and has no competition.
He isn't good enough going forward. Pair that with Valencia on the other side and it gets bad.
Could have been tactical instructions as well as Newcastle is a tricky place. We are more confident pushing up the full backs if the defense is more solid.
He has like 3 assists in his entire career.
Some players mature late, some doesn't at all. I am hoping with shaw he shows maturation as he gets old and could improve, than become like smalling or jones who never hit that level.
True, you are stuck with him.
I've thought that for a while, both Pogba and Martial don't seem to want to pass to Shaw when he is trying to create the overlap. I don't know if it is because they don't trust him or more likely, because they prefer to carry the ball into the centre by themselves.
As with many things over the past few seasons, it is something which you would think was easily fixed but somehow hasn't been.
I get you, bro. However, another reason for a reluctance to overlap is our weakness at the back. Although Ole has given licence old habits take time to weed out. I am positive once we have stability in defence you'll see Shaw showing his value. I hope so anyway, he's just signed a 5-year contract.
Exactly. Some people would have you believe he was a young Baines before his injury.
Could certainly be improved on, but think given the change in his professionalism and performances, he has earnt time to prove himself. Also probably the least of our worries in the defence.
Its absolutely ridiculous that he's getting criticised for that performance. Some people need to rewatch the game.
I find it more ridiculous that some think yesterday was good enough for United. Darmian was getting crucified because of being crap offensively.
Being defensively fine isn't good enough in the modern game. The game has moved on from this type of fullbacks. Marcelo barely does any kind of good defensive work for Madrid but him being a key in their attack made them win 3 CLs in a row.
Shaw currently is doing the bare minimum for a fullback. He's not shite, but at the same time not good enough. He's someone very upgradable in the long term.
Hes been really good defensively, has hardly been beaten, and tracks a one-two and one on one position really well.
Think he needs to offer more offensively, he tends to pass more than actually run with the ball (or off the ball down the line even if its to drag a defender away). Think he needs to add that again.
Think he needs to offer more offensively, he tends to pass more than actually run with the ball (or off the ball down the line even if its to drag a defender away). Think he needs to add that again.
He's solid defensively, but offers nothing going forward.
Wasn't as bad as Valencia, but that's not something to brag about.
Needs to do better.
Wasn't as bad as Valencia, but that's not something to brag about.
Needs to do better.
Let’s hope so bro - like I said by end of the season, he has the opportunity to make it his own. Hopefully with confidence and regular games, any doubts that have been raised will fade away into the distance. He’s certainly nowhere near the biggest problem to address in the current side.
Give him a bit more time, he wasn't amazing yesterday but he wasn't terrible. Valencia is a far greater need to replace.
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