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UnrelatedPsuedo said:
Even though Shaw is a far better defender than he is going forward (historically).

He's closer to Ashley Cole than Evra.

Gerard is a goon as a commentator.
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Alas someone remembers things as they are and not the myopic view being taken by most on this thread

Shaw has always been a great defender and yesterday he still showed some great blocks but people gloss over that

I am not worried in the least about him defensively and people need to remember it took Ashley young just 2 or 3 games to cement himself as our 1st choice LB/LWB and Shaw has the talent to reinvent himself like young did with yesterday just the right stepping stone towards achieving that
 
Bastian said:
Scholesy quotes:

"It's difficult to say as we don't see what goes on behind the scenes. I don't think he lives his life as clean as he possibly should do.

With his body shape, he looks like a player who needs to be playing every week. We had Wayne Rooney, who was a player if he missed a couple of games you knew, he wasn't looking after himself. He needed to be playing all the time, Saturday, Tuesday, whatever it may be.

With Luke Shaw, is he going to get a run of 10 games in the team? I'm not sure, the problem he has got is that Ashley Young has been brilliant at left wing back.

I hope there is a future for him. A couple of years ago, I thought we were signing the best left back in the world.

He is the best left back at the club, he won’t play on Sunday but he showed what he can do.
He is a flying machine, he got caught a bit for the goal but he is so powerful. I can’t think of a left back who can change a game as quick as he does"
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And that's why we would be utter bellends to sell him. He'll be the best, feck the five yr older Danny Rose.
 
Meh, He’s still shite defensiveky. I hope some other club saw the audition and buys in the summer. I hope jose isn’t drunk, sane and Sterling would eat him up on that right side. Get Sandro and/or rose, get rid of this joke.
 
He looked very good yesterday, attacked far post like a proper winger/wingback couple of times and made some superb runs. His run and pass from Pogba was a thing of beauty as we missed those type of moves from anyone. His final ball could have been better.

His passing in general was very good, pass to Mata who then played the cross to Smalling was very good.

Hopefully this is the start of his career at ManUtd, looked very promising.

Defensively he was bit lacking, looked bit rusty which is understandable but his one on one defending was good. For the goal, Smalling played the RB onside and Shaw was completely unaware of run, apart from that he was very good.
 
It's actually not too difficult for players to get back into Jose's good books. All it seems to take is reasonable talent and supreme dedication. If Jones, mata and young could do that, then surely shaw can too. From here on in it is probably more in Shaws hands to claw his way back into the first team
 
He has it all - he just needs to stay fit and show Mou that he can trust him!
Hope he gets a few more games this season and proves his worth. Still think he's a very good LB and also LWB. Thus hope he smashes it and saves us a lot of money...
 
You'd have to say the fact that he isn't very good at defending is a bit of a concern for a defender.

Maybe he'd be better as a LW/left sided midfielder. After all, Bale moved on from full back didn't he?
 
Strachans Cigar said:
You'd have to say the fact that he isn't very good at defending is a bit of a concern for a defender.

Maybe he'd be better as a LW/left sided midfielder. After all, Bale moved on from full back didn't he?
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He's always been great at defending? I don't understand this opinion.
 
criticalanalysis said:
Think you're being a bit harsh because even though it wasn't a back and forth game, what did it for Shaw was the amount of long(er) high speed sprints imo. Would be interesting to see the stats if there are (guessing Rashford would probably be first) but I reckon Shaw would be near the top/have done a lot, which would be more physically demanding. I.e 10 of Mata's high speed sprints would do less take out less for him that Shaw's lung busting runs.

As for Rooney, you've said it, he played with fire in his belly (with no proper conditioning) until there was no more and then he was only able to show it once or twice a game. Imo it's not so much he didn't get cramp, it was more he didn't try hard enough towards the end.

I'm of the camp 'you give it your all until you can't give anymore' and Rooney's latter years were more unable and unwilling so he'd conserve what little energy he had anyways.

Not absolving Shaw of criticism because maybe his energy was misplaced (apart from the good forward runs); he was a bit in no man land's positionally in defence so had to make up ground he shouldn't have had to.

Then again, this is still harsh. It's his first proper game in how long, in a new positon.
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Nah. Rooney always grafted right the way to the final whistle. You could never fault his effort. Admittedly he got a luxury that Shaw hasn’t got in managers who allowed himself get fit by playing matches every week but when you see the likes of Young come in from the cold and immediately look fit as a butcher’s dog it puts Shaw’s lack of effort away from the pitch into stark contrast. Especially disappointing when you think how many times he’s been reminded he’s not working hard enough on his fitness.

Anyhoo. He played well and got praised. Hopefully that finally lights a fire in his belly. He’s on his absolute last chance now, surely.
 
Strachans Cigar said:
You'd have to say the fact that he isn't very good at defending is a bit of a concern for a defender.

Maybe he'd be better as a LW/left sided midfielder. After all, Bale moved on from full back didn't he?
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Again. Why do people say this nonsense?!?

He has ALWAYS been a great defender.
He has NEVER been a great attacking full back.

He was fast and strong at Southampton. But he was a defender. He didn't whip in pinpoint crosses, he didn't fly past opposing full backs with regularity. He didn't pile up assists.

He was Ashley Cole-Lite. Which is perfect.

People are praising attacking play that is haphazard but overlooking well rounded defensive performances because there are a few mistakes to highlight. I don't understand.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Delighted for him, I've always been a huge fan of the lad.
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Aye, me too @Robbie Boy. Surprising how little patience some fans can have with a 20 year old who snapped his leg actually in half just 2 years ago.

If you'd told me that night in Eindhoven he might take over 2 years to get back to completely being back to himself but that he'd get there eventually, I'd have bitten your hand off.
 
Fingeredmouse said:
He's always been great at defending? I don't understand this opinion.
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Regularly made rudimentary defensive errors in his first season at United. Ditto since Mourinho took over, unfortunately. Decent at one v ones but marking, positioning and concentration leaves a lot to be desired. Don’t remember this being a big issue at Southampton but I didn’t watch all his games for them. Presume nobody else on here did either?
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Aye, me too @Robbie Boy. Surprising how little patience some fans can have with a 20 year old who snapped his leg actually in half just 2 years ago.
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I mean, he's clearly a talented player no matter what some on here will try to tell you. Obviously, there have been other issues with him since his arrival but the leg break was absolutely horrific and it's insane that some ignore it. It was great seeing him use his strength and pace last night as it's been far too long.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Regularly made rudimentary defensive errors in his first season at United. Ditto since Mourinho took over, unfortunately. Decent at one v ones but marking, positioning and concentration leaves a lot to be desired. Don’t remember this being a big issue at Southampton but I didn’t watch all his games for them. Presume nobody else on here did either?
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Maybe it would be more fair to call him an excellent defender 1 on 1.
 
Thought he was good, nice little hit out. Hopefully he can build on this and restore confidence.
 
He needs to play regular football somewhere for the sake of his career. For a lot of players who reportedly don’t work as hard, playing matches regularly can make up for some of the effort.

He’s going to make mistakes at this stage of his career, but he needs to grow off the back of that and there’s too much risk in a Mourinho side.
 
manunited1919 said:
Let’s not get carried away, Shaw is not even match fit and has only played 1 game in the team, so he would need to build up his fitness, his positioning, and his natural links with other teammates before going anywhere near an EPL game, to say nothing of the most important game of our season so far.
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I'll start by agreeing with you, I don't think Shaw should play as our left CB, if Shaw plays, he plays as wingback. Jose will go back to young though, that much is obvious

Rojo has also not had much game time and has made some poor decisions and gave away needless fouls/penalties since his return, so I can understand why the comment has been made.

I think Rojo will play, Jose wont trust Blind/Shaw for left CB. Lets just hope Rojo steps up.

On Shaw, really happy for him to be back. He is by far our best option on the left, where it FB or WB. He just needs game time and belief from the manager
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Regularly made rudimentary defensive errors in his first season at United. Ditto since Mourinho took over, unfortunately. Decent at one v ones but marking, positioning and concentration leaves a lot to be desired. Don’t remember this being a big issue at Southampton but I didn’t watch all his games for them. Presume nobody else on here did either?
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Ironically at Southampton it is his one in one defending that garnered him the fame and his eventually move to a big club.
 
Jose Mourinho: "Very, very positive performance, especially with the ball going forward. Really dangerous, creating a lot, great intensity in his game. No surprise that in minute 80 he is feeling the consequences of that intensity (by suffering cramp). It is normal, the first match of the season for him, but he was deserving of that opportunity for quite a long time. And he's going to get more because the performance was really positive."

Boss seemed happy with Shaw, you rarely get compliments from Jose, hope Luke can make it here.
 


That acceleration is just...my god so fresh. Young is good, but we can clearly see here who is the better player. His upper body strength is also marvelous to watch.
 
meamth said:


That acceleration is just...my god so fresh. Young is good, but we can clearly see here who is the better player. His upper body strength is also marvelous to watch.
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Disagree. Young's overall performances this season have been better than anything Shaw has done in a United shirt. Shaw has a long way to go to displace Young yet.

Shaw played well last night, and his pace on the overlap and charging in the box was a real threat, especially in the first half. His volley was a great strike too. But he was a bit all over the place defensively, and his final ball is still ropey, whereas Young has been very good at the back, and his delivery in to the box is excellent, as well as cropping up with important goals.

I really hope Shaw can kick on and make the position his, as Young is not the future, but even though he was good last night, I am still doubtful. I am hope I am wrong.
 
OnlyTwoDaSilvas said:
Disagree. Young's overall performances this season have been better than anything Shaw has done in a United shirt. Shaw has a long way to go to displace Young yet.

Shaw played well last night, and his pace on the overlap and charging in the box was a real threat, especially in the first half. His volley was a great strike too. But he was a bit all over the place defensively, and his final ball is still ropey, whereas Young has been very good at the back, and his delivery in to the box is excellent, as well as cropping up with important goals.

I really hope Shaw can kick on and make the position his, as Young is not the future, but even though he was good last night, I am still doubtful. I am hope I am wrong.
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My bad, yes Young is in exceptional form and looking like the more experienced player. I think the correct word for my mistake is "We can clearly see his big potential here". My bad!
 
Thought he played well last night, especially given his fitness problems

Think he needs a few months playing in games that don't matter as much and carry less expectation to allow him to get that sharpness & confidence back.
 
Good game to start off after a long time in the wilderness.. He needs to play every week to build up his fitness but I don't think he is going to get that here especially with Young being in the form he is in right now..

Maybe he can go on loan for the second half of the season. Though if Young gets injured we have crap LB options,so can't risk sending him out on loan..

One thing is for certain though,would rather play him than Darmian like last weekend against Arsenal..
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Regularly made rudimentary defensive errors in his first season at United. Ditto since Mourinho took over, unfortunately. Decent at one v ones but marking, positioning and concentration leaves a lot to be desired. Don’t remember this being a big issue at Southampton but I didn’t watch all his games for them. Presume nobody else on here did either?
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I feel that that's a bit harsh. He wasn't perfect (what 18 year old defender is?), but the general consensus at the end of his first season was that he was fine defensively but just needed to improve his attacking play. Which is exactly what he did at the start of his second season until he suffered that terrible injury.

Obviously his defence has been a bit haphazard in his matches since his return from that injury, but if he can get that back to where he was in his first season then that'll be fine for now. Still room for improvement with his positioning and watching runs, but the way you wrote it makes it sound like he was quite a bit worse than what he was.
 
Good to see a bit of turn around from him. Here’s Mou’s comment ....

"Luke Shaw, offensively, very, very good and great contribution for the team,''

"[Shaw] Was waiting for quite a long time, he was deserving for quite a long time, it is not easy to give an opportunity to a player who doesn't play for many months.

"Honestly, I'm happy with his performance.''
 
Hopefully he kicks on from here, but I'm not going to join the narrative and get carried away.

When he can put a run together of good performances then I'll be happy, but until then the left back position is still an issue.

I agree with Scholes actually in regards to Shaws fitness. I don't think he particularly looks after himself (neither did Rooney), and I think if he isn't playing in the first team he'd be as well as playing 90 for the reserves to try and maintain his fitness.
 
Glad he did well. Young deserves to be first choice right now, but if Shaw can get more minutes covering for him and continue to perform like that and get back to being match sharp, it could save the club a lot of money.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
The comments from Mou are encouraging and I thought he played well but, feck me, what the hell is he doing going down with cramp in the 75th minute?! It wasn’t even a back and forth game. We were camped in their half. He only had to cover half the pitch and he still couldn’t hack it.

Am actually quite pissed off. He has nothing else to prove other than being committed and physically fit and he fecking cramps up with 15 minutes still to play. Christ almighty, he would try any manager’s patience.
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Scholes suggested he and Rooney have the same health issues.
Both don't take care of themselves.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
Again. Why do people say this nonsense?!?

He has ALWAYS been a great defender.
He has NEVER been a great attacking full back.

He was fast and strong at Southampton. But he was a defender. He didn't whip in pinpoint crosses, he didn't fly past opposing full backs with regularity. He didn't pile up assists.

He was Ashley Cole-Lite. Which is perfect.

People are praising attacking play that is haphazard but overlooking well rounded defensive performances because there are a few mistakes to highlight. I don't understand.
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Agree.

If they don't score from that chance I don't think there'd be a single mention of his defensive work last night. Mistakes happen all the time, Young during this recent good run will have made mistakes. The hyper analysis only seems to kick in if said mistake is punished.
 
Bwuk said:
Hopefully he kicks on from here, but I'm not going to join the narrative and get carried away.

When he can put a run together of good performances then I'll be happy, but until then the left back position is still an issue.

I agree with Scholes actually in regards to Shaws fitness. I don't think he particularly looks after himself (neither did Rooney), and I think if he isn't playing in the first team he'd be as well as playing 90 for the reserves to try and maintain his fitness.
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I'm not sure how Scholes knows this about Shaw. I'd imagine his opinion is just that, an opinion, based on the info readily available to us. Rooney he played with for years so that is genuine insight.

Also I have to say, bit rich coming from Scholes. A self confessed pie shifter who was on the tubby side himself in the early days.

Agree with your point on the reserves, he should be playing every game with them, baffles me why today's managers don't properly use those games.
 
Dobbs said:
Agree.

If they don't score from that chance I don't think there'd be a single mention of his defensive work last night. Mistakes happen all the time, Young during this recent good run will have made mistakes. The hyper analysis only seems to kick in if said mistake is punished.
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Also only kicks in on our players. Wingers get in behind wingbacks/fullbacks all the time, its a part of the game. Especially wingbacks.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
Again. Why do people say this nonsense?!?

He has ALWAYS been a great defender.
He has NEVER been a great attacking full back.

He was fast and strong at Southampton. But he was a defender. He didn't whip in pinpoint crosses, he didn't fly past opposing full backs with regularity. He didn't pile up assists.

He was Ashley Cole-Lite. Which is perfect.

People are praising attacking play that is haphazard but overlooking well rounded defensive performances because there are a few mistakes to highlight. I don't understand.
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I beg to differ with your opinion (as its not a fact). Shaw doesn't have great end product, but he will get past the opposing defender on a regular basis.
 
Ashley has been brilliant over the last few weeks, but (stating the obvious) Shaw simply offers so much more. As @MoneyMay shows above, we miss the marauding runs from the left channel so much. At 80%, he would transform us into an even better team. I know we only got a 6-7 game glimpse of Shaw reaching his (current) potential but he was devastating at the beginning of the 15/16 season.
 
Was in the stadium yesterday for the first time in quite a while, so had a chance to see Shaw close up.

His first half performance was very positive and he got plenty of praise and encouragement from the crowd. He always offered an attacking option down that left hand side and the boy has pace and strength to beat defenders in abundance. We kinda knew all that, but a reminder is always very nice.

The goal conceded was in the opposite end from where we sat so can’t judge if it was his fault or not. What I will say though is that while he looked a very good 1v1 defender, with good interceptions and tackles, he seemed at times to not be in the best starting position, or aware of where the gaps around him were, that opponents could be played into.

To use the FM attribute system just for arguments sake... Tackling & Marking: Good. Positioning & Concentration: so-so.

He started huffing and puffing a bit after 60-65 mins which surprised me a bit because he’s 22yo lad that’s been focusing on fitness training for a while and has no accumulated fatigue either. But that might be down to the pace and aggression of training sessions being nothing like an actual match? Don’t know for sure.

The words from Mou are encouraging. I would certainly play him in the minor cups and maybe one or two home league games to see how he responds and whether concentration and stamina improve. He has the attributes, we all know that. I wouldn’t risk him in important fixtures yet because he doesn’t seem capable of lasting full 90 yet and he could also be targeted a bit.
 
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