I'm very confused. Is the concept of a guy with a prominent arse that hard for you lot to grasp? Each time a pic of him in his jeans come up, there's always a few comments about his arse and its size, then using that observation to comment on how "fat" he is, as if it's not a common thing for guys with muscles who work on their lower body to have glutes. I guess where you all come from, people can't usually tell where your back ends and your legs start.
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So if a player gets a horror tackle and is out injured for several months because of it, he has "fitness level issues"? Guess this guy should lose some weight, too:
Are you being deliberately stupid?
No, I’m not. I do however like your condescending tune. Explain to me how seeing Luke Shaw with crutches translates (or backs up the argument) to him having fitness level issues?
Have you seen the state of his arse? It wouldn't be hard to grasp at all.
I never said it did. I pointed out that posting a picture of someone on crutches to prove they are fit is a somewhat flawed logic.
You don't seem to understand why it is a flawed logic. I don't know how to explain it anymore simply than it already is
Not sure how I feel about that pal. Ah, feck it, I'll do it.
Edit: Christ.
WTF did you guys find with that google search, all I'm finding is Brazilian male models advertising underwear.
I'm not even sure if I'm disappointed or happy about not finding what you did.
Okay. Well in my view Shaw seemed quite fit (aka not fat) in that picture, even with the crutches. I don’t see it contradicting the argument of Shaw not being fat.
In fairness, he had about 8 good games for us, in 2.5 seasons, but generally speaking, you are right.
8 good games in 2.5 seasons is an unmitigated disaster by anybody's standards. To put this into context, I think Anderson (yes, the lazy, fat guy who needs an oxygen tank to play) had more good games than Shaw.
IMO, he needs to move to a smaller club, where he can regain momentum, with regular first team football and get his career back on track. Personally, I think MUFC is too big for him.
Compare him to Martial/Rashford, who are younger, but have forced themselves into the first team.
Meanwhile Shaw, who is older, is just about making the bench, occasionally.
And the worst part is that Jose reckons Darmian and even Jones, are better in the LB position, than Shaw!
I think Shaw needs to leave, for the sake of his own career....which I think he will, this Summer.
So if a player gets a horror tackle and is out injured for several months because of it, he has "fitness level issues"? Guess this guy should lose some weight, too:
Mate, do not even begin to compare Ronaldo with Shaw.
It's like comparing a banged up Ford Fiesta, which needs a complete engine change, with a brand spanking new Bugatti Veyron.
Oh and BTW, Shaw has not been injured for all this time he has been with us (2.5 seasons). Only one of those seasons was injury hit.
Didn’t compare them. I faced an argument that posting a picture of a player with crutches to prove someone doesn’t have fitness level issues is flawed. To me there’s injuries and then there’s weight issues. Shaw in those pictures (the other from late June 2016) seems fit to me, even though he wasn’t match fit, due to an injury.
You just know that a load of the people criticising a premier league footballer's physique will be grossly obese and pounding their keyboard with sausage fingers too.
You're forgetting that some fans have idiotic opinions.
No. It's not.
You honestly can't get out of your own way and see the comment for what it is? Remove Lampard. How about this;
Players a decade ago matured quicker. Through necessity. They went on loans to division one sides. They earned less and the culture of clubs meant that nobody's star rose too quickly, meaning they stayed grounded. Today's players are rich at 20 and it stunts their personal growth as people.
I don't think too many would object to that.
You wanted us to find the mexican cock pic, didn't you?
I think you may have scrolled through a lot more pages.... or google ranks your picture preferences differently to mine. Hahaha
I couldn't persevere long enough to find the Carlos picture I wanted. It must have been around 1998. Never tried any date qualifiers.
Someone need to swim through the sea of South American pork swords to find it
It was massive!
We really need a Luke Shaw performance thread.
We can rename this one the "Luke Shaw homo erotic ass conversation thread"
If he can get fit, regain his Southampton form he's going to have a decade here and be one of the best in the world.
If he can't, he'll be sold. Way too early to draw any conclusions though.
We can rename this one the "Luke Shaw homo erotic ass conversation thread"
If he can get fit, regain his Southampton form he's going to have a decade here and be one of the best in the world.
If he can't, he'll be sold. Way too early to draw any conclusions though.
Yep. I don't think anyone here knows what's going on. Although I'm still scratching my head with the notion on how a world class manager is holding grudge against a part-time (through mostly injury) young player.
Don't think there's a grudge. He's just not fit enough and not good enough. Not ready enough.
It's nobody's fault. Ramsey took a solid 2 years to come back from his leg break.
Though if rumours of going out on the town and not being 100% committed to getting back in the side are to be believed Shaw will probably never make it here.
That's what most likely happened, for whatever reason.
This.
Though saying Shaw isn't good enough, yet Darmian is... makes me go...HUH?
Darmian's defensive awareness is overrated.
Darmian is a right back that can play left back. Jose is no fool. If Shaw was a better bet than Blind, Rojo, Darmian at left back right now he'd be playing. Darmian has had more good games in a United shirt than Shaw. Hands down.
It's not a question of talent. Shaw has an abundance of talent. He showed it at Southampton. He needs to earn his spot in this team though.
There was a time that I, and so many others, thought that Micah Richards was going to be the next great English defender. He's now 28 years of age playing for Aston Villa. Nobody can convince me that that guy didn't have the lot. He came on the scene as an amazing full back. I thought he'd mature into a top class centre half. He had as much, if not more talent than Shaw does.
Talent can absolutely get you to the top but only graft keeps you there.
People seem to think how fat someone is (or isn't) is an indication of how fit they are...the only thing that picture proves is that it isn't, as clearly someone who's had a broken leg and still on crutches would not be fully fit to play in a football match, even if their leg magically healed. Having a six pack or abs doesn't change that.
When questions first arose about Shaw's fitness (and the questions were arising due to several managers who managed him saying he wasn't fit enough), his response was to post a topless selfie of himself to prove he wasn't fat. He seemed to miss the point as people have here.
No, he couldn’t play in a football match due to the broken leg, not because he’s unfit in terms of body fat etc. But I guess we won’t agree on this, so no point in discussing further. Hope he has a breakthrough season in 2017-18 and proves people wrong.
The original discussion wasn't about match fitness though it was about him being called fat which he clearly isn't.
Footballers range between 8%-13% fat apparently. He is certainly lean enough.
It's funny that Shaw has had about 8 good games in 2.5 seasons, yet fans forget that players like Fellaini and Darmian have had more good games than 8.
As you stated, Jose won't keep Shaw out, if Shaw is doing a great job in training. I can only assume that he is dreadful in training, which is why he struggles to even make the bench.
For his own sake, he needs to get out of MUFC and play for a lesser club. He has wasted 3 full seasons and hindered his development during this time. The step in class and expectation (Southampton to MUFC) has clearly proved difficult, just as it was for Memphis and Morgan S.
He broke his leg about 16 months ago. That can completely end a career.
Darmian hasn't had more than 8 good games.
I can't fathom how somebody can seriously type so much bollocks without thinking about counter arguments or critical thinking.
He does have a point, Fellaini has played more good matches for us and has shown more value to this club, yet one is constantly abused and the other one has a few million fans up his arse (which is quite big by the way). I wish he gains his form back and develops into a top class player and he seems a likeable and decent lad.
Some parts of your second sentence answer the gripes in your first
I've always been quite supportive of Fellaini but you've lost your way here. Shaw has shown a far, far higher level than Fellaini evenr has, and for every good game Fellaini has, he's had a terrible one. One or them has the potential to be the best in his position in the world, and it ain't Fellaini.
Give him some chances FFS.
In Shaw, we paid for potential whereas in Fellaini, we paid for experience and should rightly expect way more from the latter
Inb4 queue in excuses about them not being professional athletes(and not being paid to be ones) so they have the right to be unhealthy fatasses.
Im not sure that's true and fair, in our last 2 seasons under LvG, Fellaini has been detrimental to our "succes", he was immense in our race to the top 4 under van Gaal which we accomplished (embarassing to call that a succes but it is our reality at the moment), and in the FA Cup run, he showed excellent form and helped is massively in that too. Shaw has done nothing of note, bar 5 matches tops before the injury and one run in his 1st season (didnt result in a goal by the way), there's basically nothing so far he's done. Yet a lot of our fans acts as if he's already world class or a certainty to be the best left back in world football, which is absolutelu false. He is a very limited modern day footballer, has mega pace, mega strong and 1 vs 1 in normal form excellent, thats it; he has no other qualities which sets him apart
I think you're forgetting just how good Shaw was before he joined us. He was the best leftback in the league and we have seen glimpses of they ability since joining us, albeit hampered by injuries.
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