SWP's final two seasons at City were immense, and his career trajectory was positive; had he joined United he could have become a top Premier League player for a decade, same applies to Joe Cole. It's about creating an environment In which they can succeed, something Spurs have created for their young English talent under Pocchettino; at Chelsea, City or current United, the likes of Rose, Alli or Dier wouldn't be granted to time to develop, and Spurs are currently a better side than both Manchester clubs regardless of this advocating youth policy and only spending a fraction of what they have on transfers and wages.
Lucas Hernandez is playing a fair amount of games ahead of Savic....Saul, Carrasco, Koke, Partey, Oblak and Curtois are all testament to his continued faith in young players; Oli Torres is a good talent but plays in Koke's position so it's likely been decided it's better for him to develop at Porto.
De Boer turned down LFC and left Ajax willingly, only to be sacked by Inter amid takeover chaos and taking the job days before the season started. He's a great coach who galvinised the games of Alderweireld, Vertonghen and Eriksen amongst many others. If Barca lure Pocch he'd be the ideal replacement at Spurs.
What did Pocchettino win? He's a young coach who's overachieved everywhere he's been. Success is relative; he's got the 9th highest wage bill in the league, and has improved every player in his team, collectively and individually. Give him the squads/resources Pep has had and I'm confident he'd match his achievements. Most of his first team combined cost about the same as Pogba
The point about Bonucci is that he couldn't identify and forge his potential; he didn't have to be a starter, just keep him around and allow him to grow alongside and eventually succeed those veterans. He wasn't Inter-ested...... And you're right it's taken Bonucci years of top-level football and coaches to be considered world class; that's why it's important coaches place faith in youngsters early, so they can peak sooner.
Mourinho showed no inclination to integrate Lukaku, and again the 'he has only just began to shine' argument is nonsense; he scored 17 the season before at a struggling West Brom, 15 that season once he eventually went to Everton, more than donkey Ba, a troubled Torres and the geriatric Eto'o, all of whom he typically preferred combined.
Shaw is being linked to Spurs, as a replacement for allegedly City-bound Rose. I feel he'll flourish again under a proper coach, becoming one of the best in the league while United will keep rotating Young, Blind and Darmian ahead of the inevitable flop Jose buys to replace Luke.
It's your opinion. SWP is outright one trick pony & pace abuser, sooner or later he would be exposed. Wearing United shirt won't change that. Even Ashley Young is arguably better than him. Joe Cole is talented as attacker, but his attitude, his overall game, proffesionalism was never of the top talent like the media trying to make him as. Another player who pop up here & there but couldn't be trusted as key player carrying the team week in week out.
Creating environment, direction for the team is the job of board of directors, DoF. Different clubs have different structure. I gave you hint & you still don't get it. Majority of clubs Mourinho have been to want the result at all cost. The direction created the environment that pushing the first team head coach to be extreme ruthless. Even SAF wouldn't survive that.
Look up Baldini. The guy got sacked for wasting transfer resource. With hindsight he was the guy who bought, & kept many of Tottenham now hyped talents... Many of which pre Poch. Poch trophy tally: 0. Would he survive a season at Chelsea or Real Madrid with that? I have my doubt. Would developing young player at Chelsea is being rated as better than winning trophy? I doubt it. They rather loan out their players & let other clubs develop for them than risking their seasons. It happened that Chelsea have been rivaling us in term of trophy count since Abramovich takeover... Tottenham is only a step wrong from being several levels behind currently top 4 competitor: selling their key players, players want a pay rise seeing lesser players in same NT getting better wage; losing Poch; even the stadium project can be a turning point playing at Wembley next season... You're very short sighted if you think Tottenham is successful. It's not much different what Arsenal had been doing for years; and Arsenal is at least a step ahead.
Lucas Hernandez may start in the odd weeks that I don't watch Atletico, but stats supports that he has been more of a squad player than Savic: 14 apps (11 starts) compare to 34 apps (32 starts). Savic had more minutes than Gimerez & Lucas Hernandez combined together!!! Where did you get "the Lucas Hernandez is playing a fair amount of games ahead of Savic"? Head cannon? If you meant he's getting more start now, then that argument works against you. There is no unconditional youth policy at Ateltico. Beat your competitor to get your chance. What happened to Gimerez when his form dipped, can happen to Lucas Hernandez in the future!!! Nothing different to your accusation of Mourinho's doing.
So what's about Cech at Chelsea back in the day? Atletico still had the "new Casillas" when they loaned in & used Courtois instead of Sergio Asenjo. Again beat your competitor philosophy. This case makes it worse since Atletico should know that Chelsea unlikely to ever sell Courtois to them. Why spend time develop player for another club when you have young talent in your rank? Asenjo had been good enough to get call up to Spanish NT between & before his injuries. Oblak was starter for Benfica when Atletico bought him. Nothing special than a bigger club buying another GK after they lose their first choice one. They paid over 12 mil pound while we bought DDG for 18 mil pound. Two third of DDG price. What is so impressive about that player development wise? Shouldn't it be about how shrewd their DoF is?
O. Torres already being sold. You just admitted with your statement regarding O.Torres. You can't beat your competitor, then you stay out of the team. Period. Koke was not always central midfielder, mind. Even last season, he was still deployed on the wing from time to time. The season before, he played primarily on the wing. Saul also spent 13-14 season on loan. Are you comparing few years of progress (full of hindsight) to first year under new manager (not simply just a first team coach). Carrasco is Monaco youth product. Overall he is no indifferent comparing to Martial since both left Monaco. Only 5 apps different between them this season. Rashford has more app than Carrasco this season! Carrasco struggled last season for a starting position. Are you losing it when you mentioned Partey? I meant the guy barely played for Atletico.
He is more impressive with his loan than with Atletico, he has less apps for Atletico since the debut than Lingard for Mourinho this season alone. They're around 9 months apart, so even if comparing month for month wise, Lingard is still trusted more by Mourinho than this guy. You brought up Toby who Atletico couldn't give game time & had to loan him to Southampton then finally sold to Tottenham. So who youth policy we should credit this guy for now, Atletico, Tottenham, or Southampton? Or again indifferent than most of player career if they need to move onto other clubs after failing to displace his competitor.
You state your own opinion on De Boer. There are many Ajax fans who ain't impressed by him. They're saying they're better or more entertaining team now than with him in charge while compare his football to LVG. It's he's good enough he should turn it around at Inter regardless. Giving him excuse based on youth policy which again has much to do with the system & board of directors are stretching. Remember even McLaren won Dutch league with lesser team. LVG did it with lesser team too. Ajax always among the stronger teams financially in Dutch league. If anything the end of De Boer at Ajax exposes him for not being able to make the next step. So, are you excusing or reasoning his short coming?
Where did you get the 9th highest wage bill info from? Last time (like a month ago), it was posted here Tottenham have 6th highest wage bill, & they have some contract extensions to do, while we're clearing off some name from our wage bill. Even the wage bill is not a good argument given that with Tottenham overachieve for the time being is not taking into account other teams are underachieving. Stats wise, those who competitively having highest wage bill still most of the time achieving (win thing) more than those hide behind philosophy. Nothing stopped Sevilla won EL from time to time. Nothing stopped some minnows win FA Cup, League Cup from time to time. Is fourth place trophy that prestige, when the next season, the team ended up being embarrassed in Europe? Pep Mourinho earned the position where they can demand resource from the club since they proved they can win thing (Mourinho record with Porto was very impressive) You seem be heavily caught by "Peter principle", from transfer matter to coach matter. Having comfortable zone where you don't have work with crazy expectation is very different than overachieving by achieving nothing. Also don't forget to research on Baldini. Poch is not the guy who built that team from scratch. Fee argument is very debatable.
Bonucci case again with too much hindsight. Try to understand the DoF & board of directors role at other clubs. It happened quite plenty of time that Inter sells players who later turned out to be very good, even to their rival, some case directly: Seedorf, Pirlo Cannavaro... Missing some great talent: Roberto Carlos, Crespo (Milan loan after selling to Chelsea)... In more recent time they sold Coutinho to L'pool for dirt cheap. You just try to further agenda on Mourinho while ignore one of the hugest elephants in world football transfer wise aka Inter Milan.
While Lukaku scored more than either individually Torres, Eto'o & Ba in the league, the combination of their goals trumped Lukaku, while Torres was impressive in CL that season with 9 goals. You can use Peter principle again to say Lukaku with Chelsea would score more, but there is no guarantee & many can see that he lacked in some aspect to lead the line for big team until recently. There is reason no bigger clubs than Everton trying to sign him back then & didn't try too hard to get him until recently. Next season Mourinho pushed Chelsea to signed Diego Costa who has been key players for Chelsea success (this season included). Back to point I made last post, is it wrong to get a better player who more guarantee to deliver for at that moment inferior player.
You seem to be the type who got sucked in by what the media has to say. Martial Rashford were also very close to Sevilla, Tottenham & West Ham you know. If you can't see with your eyes what Young, Blind, Darmian had fulfill the tactical requirement from Mourinho, then who I am to explain it to you. It's not like Shaw is playing like he did last season before the injury. Again, try to beat your competitor or you accept your little gametime. Also football life happens off pitch too. Players not playing doesn't mean they don't have chance to impress the coaches; nor can't improve, develop. Where is Danny Rose when he's at Shaw's age?
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