People used to say the same thing about Rooney. Not everyone has to have the body of Cristiano Ronaldo. If you're fit enough, then that's all that matters.
Luke Shaw: ‘People can say I’m fat but I’ve never been out of shape’
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A run of 5/6 games and the man will be top notch always took Rooney the same to get going
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Come on Pogue jeezus....
You're claiming the guys out of shape based on that picture. Who isn't then?
Difference is, Wayne Rooney actually achieved something with his body rather than being a deadweight on huge wages (pre-2013 admittedly).
Every other player in our squad!
Here's what a fullback who is actually in good shape looks like, for the record.
He is going to have to produce his best ever season, rightly or wrongly Mourinho will have very little ifany patience with him.
He seems like someone who needs a lot of attention and encouragement, Mourinho won’t give it to him so not convinced he will improve much next season.
He seems like someone who needs a lot of attention and encouragement, Mourinho won’t give it to him so not convinced he will improve much next season.
Judging people based simply on body fat percentage...
I dunno mate I don't buy it. It's kinda fecked up how you guys are reacting in here because for all we know the guys trying his hardest and for whatever reason that's as far as he's gotten.
If he was pinging up and down the left you'd all be quiet but now he's getting rinsed for being slightly chubbier than the rest of the team? But probably in better shape than 90% of the cafe.
Fwiw I find it a lot easier to lose body fat than pretty much everybody I know, so I can see the other side of the coin because a few people get pissed with me. It would be like me assuming they are lazy feckers when I know that they aren't. Different body makeup, metabolism, etc.... You know this man this is your field isn't it?
I dunno... Can't get onboard this latest campaign.
Back it! With pictures...
It says a lot when people need to resort to the 'fitter than most of the Caf' shit. Christ alfeckingmighty. Congratulations Luke 'professional athlete' Shaw, you're fitter than people posting on an internet forum, woohoo!
Next up: people on Caf congratulate Matić on being a speed-demon as he's faster than people with severe walking disabilities.
Next up: people on Caf congratulate Matić on being a speed-demon as he's faster than people with severe walking disabilities.
He looks like a hockey player to me.
What people actually need to learn is that being fit and Aestheticaly pleasing aren’t the same thing. I’ve seen people you lot would probably class as obese destroy people at fitness tests that have the chiselled physique. Having a 6 pack doesn’t mean you’re fit.
Yeah I've seen such people too, I've also heard about 3 or 4 different managers that used to work with Shaw that questioned his fitness levels. A photo of him with his tits is a cherry on top of that.
Are you okay chum? Chin up. Maybe you too could have a body like him.
I guess I was the only one impressed that he was so open in the interview. At least he recognises he's got a great opportunity to play his way into the team this pre season.
I'm perfectly fine, it's not me who's trying to defend him with absurd arguments after all, so how are you doing?
After opening this thread, I keep getting exercise ads whenever I visit RedCafe.
He's probably staying but hopefully not to continue testing Mou's patience. The lad is 23 so he's not falling into learning youngster category.
Sports medicine is very specialised and not my field at all. What I do know is that for every 10 footballers you see with their shirts off, 9 of them (or more?) will have less body fat than Shaw in that photo (as per Zabaleta photo above) Add to that the numerous reports throughout his career about him not being the most dedicated professional and it’s not a big leap to think his slightly soft physique is not entirely down to bad luck with genetics.
I don’t want to break redcafe!
I am telling the truth, though. I’m quite proud of having a six pack despite being basically ancient. I have to train fairly hard for it and try not to eat too much shit food. I would definitely have a dad bod if I didn’t work hard to avoid one. However, I wouldn’t have even a fraction of the time and expertise afforded to professional footballers to get in shape so I always find it weird when I see one of them who isn’t ripped. Especially a 22 year old, with the power of youth on his side!
What I’m saying is that the analogy to Rooney is wrong because we're comparing an unfit player to a fit one. If it was indeed the body type alone that made him look chunky while he was the epitome of fitness (like Rooney was his age) I'd give him a pass. But he's obviously had problems reaching and maintaining high fitness levels so it's not just an appearance thing, as he's claiming it is.
He's saying that people criticise his appearance. Well there might some truth to that, people are mean etc., but the fact his appearance coincides with a lack of fitness and with all previous managers negatively commenting on his commitment to stay fit... then I'd say he's trying to divert attention.
When I see him bombing down the wing for a full 90 mins with the energy of a young Rooney, as befits his age, then I'll accept his argument.
Yea I hear ya. I just feel bad for him.
Also, and you might hate me for this.... I don't have to work hard on mine anymore, took me a while to get my abs but they're staying with minimal effort and it's been a few years now. Come at me bro!
You are 100% correct in this. He's saying almost all the right things and I think he still has great potential.
But this body shape argument is flawed. The best example of why it's flawed it is can be found by comparing his current body shape to his body shape pre-injury. He has in the past looked a lot slimmer and more athletic than he does now. Here's highlights from the same stage of pre-season 2015. There's no comparison between this and his current shape where he looks comfortably thicker than anyone else on the pitch.
People need to look at it for what it is. He's plays in the position of the field which requires the most high speed running and stamina. Right now he looks different to every other player on the field. Wider and with an arse that sticks out a foot behind him. It's not going to work.
If he's serious abut this and being truly honest with himself we'll see a significant change over the next month or two. I really hope this happens because I rate him as a player and thought he did well last season when picked. At 22 and with his talent he should be looking to hold that position for the next 10 years
Must be all the pills you’re taking at the weekend. I won’t tell your employer, honest!
He started that season in such good shape/form. Be awesome if he could get back to that again. One thing we haven’t seen from him in ages is the way he used to put on his after-burners and leave other players for dead. His turn of pace was almost breathtaking. Been too long since we’ve seen that version of Luke Shaw.
The leg break probably took that away from him.
I was thinking exactly that while watching the clip. He had so much pace. It's probably still in there somewhere if he can lighten the load
Must be all the pills you’re taking at the weekend. I won’t tell your employer, honest!
Didn't work 20 years ago doubt it would now. Hopefully we get to see the real Luke Shaw this season.
Are you really saying that you can only think of 5-7 players who did well enough that renewing their contracts and keeping them at the club was a given as their contracts neared the end?
I’m not surprised!
Men can still be growing at 20 tho and a lot fill out get stronger, get wider, grow better facial hair and so on. So it’s not an exact science. I don’t think you can contribute the size of him now as in shoulders, calf’s and things like that down to eating badly. He’s a stocky fellow who is just hugely built and he has clearly filled out a lot since then.
Are you Shaw’s Dietician or something?
Then he won't make it as a modern day full back. You can't carry that up and down the pitch at speed for 90 minutes at that level.
Fortunately I think you're wrong and he'd definitely be able to drop a bit of weight if he wants to enough.
Drop weight or lose muscle since it would be the muscle that would tax his system eating in to his cardio? I don’t think he is of a size where it should be too much of a drain but I do know what you mean. He isn’t built for marathons that is for sure. Another issue is his body type doesn’t tend to respond well to steady state cardio, he’ll get his best results doing HIIT which Unfortuantly carries its own risk ie with the explosive nature of it, hence why a lot of people including Jose has said he needs games to get up to fitness, unfortunately Jose can’t afford to give him that.
I’m not saying that at all. I’m just using your “absolute disaster” logic, to the rest of the squad. That’s why I could only come up with that many!
Interesting that Shaw talks about how, behind the scenes, Jose tells him how good he can be and that he texts him encouragement.
If you believe the media (and many on the CAF) you'd think Jose's a bully with no man management skills who only takes dumps on Shaw and others.
Shaw's overweight for a footballer, no use denying that. However, if he cuts the excess weight and focuses he can make a career here. Its all on him as it always has been.
If you believe the media (and many on the CAF) you'd think Jose's a bully with no man management skills who only takes dumps on Shaw and others.
Shaw's overweight for a footballer, no use denying that. However, if he cuts the excess weight and focuses he can make a career here. Its all on him as it always has been.
Luke Shaw has never been fat. He just has a big ass.
I think you’re confusing me with @Andersons Dietician. Easy mistake to make. Both should have been fired by their clients years ago.
It may well be that he's put on a bit too much muscle. Maybe some of it needs to go.
I don't completely buy your earlier point about players body types changing that much in their early 20's. The players who tend to be a bit chunky were typically also a bit chunky as teenagers. Luke has always had a bit of an arse on him but he was lean and agile 2015. The skeleton doesn't get bigger at that age. It's just muscle development and weight. If he's put on the wrong type of muscle or weight both he and the club need to be looked at. It shouldn't happen if his development is being planned properly.
At full fitness the differences between those who look naturally thicker and those who are naturally slim are actually pretty small. Rooney for example has been labelled a fat boy his whole career but when he was at his fittest he was actually very lean and mobile. There was never any doubt about his ability to cover ground on the pitch. This applies to all players who take good enough care of their fitness. Luke is a good athlete, he had blistering pace not so long ago. He's not some fat kid trying to be a pro footballer.
Really hoping he is on the right track now. There's a very good footballer in there if he can get his pace and mobility back.
There seems to have been this thing developing about him having lost his pace. There were plenty of times he showed it last year. More so in defensive acts. But even in the game against San Jose he had. Sprint net the end with Martial where he showed his pace. Could be more his selective use of it, which is fare enough as his body type short fibre is prone to tears and so on. I feel like in part he is holding back a bit in this pre season as to not risk injury yet, so he is available for the start of the season and to play the games whilst Young gets himself up to speed.
That first part about the club and he, needing looked at. If it’s in your genetics there is nothing they can do about it he is naturally a big guy. It’s not like they’ve had him on a program to get big.
Like you tho I hope he is on the right track, mentally knows what is expected of him and is over all the small injuries he was having. Needs to stay injury free and when the opportunity comes grasp it.
Quoted the wrong post dammit.