Overweight, but not fat? So he has too much muscle?
Lukaku - transfer speculation | Gone
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Yes, didn't Lukaku even admit that in an interview last season? Apparently he was bulking up for the World cup, that's in his own words if I remember correctly.
Well even De Gea went over 2 months in very poor form too. Don't get me wrong I don't believe he is a great striker, and I don't think anyone would want to keep him here. But he does have top clubs interest in him, and my point is that its not really a big surprise there, as he is very very proven striker at international level, in fact, stats-wise, he is just a tier below Ronaldo/Messi at international level, which is crazy.
That article reads that he lost the weight he added for the world cup though.
Personally I don't see it. Lukaku used to be a lot more mobile and agile when at WBA and Everton. Now he looks like a tank that is gassed after 30 minutes into a game or after making a sprint longer than 10 metres.
I don't think that he lost everything and he started to gain during his first season with us. It also doesn't change his technical/tactical deficiencies.
That is more to do with his cardiovascular endurance, rather than the weight he's carrying though. People with muscles are more than capable of high cardiovascular outputs. Check crossfit athletes for examples.
Never said it did
There's plenty of valid criticism you can level at Lukaku. His weight is pretty far down the list, in my opinion.
I'd love to swap him for Dybala but I'm not sure Dybala would come to us.
I'd love to swap him for Dybala but I'm not sure Dybala would come to us.
And the weight that you carry has a direct influence on your endurance, moving that weight costs fuel.
Neither did I. Am I allowed to say things that you didn't?
Why not? It’s not like he’s even guaranteed starter at Juve and it’s not like top teams are lining up for him.
Like I said, check crossfit athletes. It is possible to carry large amounts of muscle and still run more than 10 yards without gassing
I know what you mean but more muscles means more blood flow and the lungs can struggle to meat the capacity of oxygen required for it. You can build strength and endurance with leaner muscles, it also helps with balance and agility.
No Champion's League football for a start.
He’s not a guaranteed starter. Wouldn’t be too bad for him to take a step back.
This will be an unpopular opinion, I'm sure, but I also don't think playing under Ole is a draw to big name players.
I hope you are right, though.
You can just look at sprinters mate. 100-200m runners are ripped as hell as they need more explosive pace and muscles help short distance bursts.
Those who run 2-5-10km though don’t carry big muscle mass for a reason.
Depend if he actually can fit as well, if he wants to come.
I’m not sure where we would play him. Probably as a Mata replacement?
Can’t see him as a false 9 or CF in the Prem.
Second striker is his best position but if we sell Lukaku we are going to struggle with him in attack too.
Sure, and it’s possible to have a striker who can score a goal against a decent side - but clearly this doesn’t apply to Lukuku who is overweight and completly unfit (and can only score against poor teams.
His physical condition is an absolute disgrace.
Which is irrelevant to the point I made, your body mass will have an influence on your endurance abilities, more weight requires more fuel and the amount of fuel that we can stock is limited, marathons gives enough time to produce a part of that fuel, sprints not so much. That's the problem in football, there is a constant repetition of sprinting and jogging phases, that means that players need to strike a balance between aerobic and anaerobic ablities, if they don't they will pay it one way or the other.
Relaxed muscle
Whether it's related to his weight or not, the fact is his endurance just doesn't fit the pressing game we are trying to achieve.
He's not happy being a sub so it's best he goes.
He's not happy being a sub so it's best he goes.
I don't mind people criticising Lukaku for his bulking up as it was clearly an issue, even by his own admission.
What irks is people then holding that up as a sign of laziness or unprofessionalism on his part. It took extra effort and work for him to put on that muscle, which he did for the specific purpose of (he thought) helping his game in the world cup. The idea that Lukaku (who up to that point had been consistently described as an excellent professional and dedicated athlete) suddenly became lazy and fat is immensely stupid.
Lukaku's fault lies in prioritising the short term (i.e. the world cup) over the medium term and/or adopting a counterproductive approach to training. The blame for the latter of which should probably be shared by whatever fitness coaches were surrounding him at the time.
What irks is people then holding that up as a sign of laziness or unprofessionalism on his part. It took extra effort and work for him to put on that muscle, which he did for the specific purpose of (he thought) helping his game in the world cup. The idea that Lukaku (who up to that point had been consistently described as an excellent professional and dedicated athlete) suddenly became lazy and fat is immensely stupid.
Lukaku's fault lies in prioritising the short term (i.e. the world cup) over the medium term and/or adopting a counterproductive approach to training. The blame for the latter of which should probably be shared by whatever fitness coaches were surrounding him at the time.
Like most other players if we played a system around his strengths he would have fared better over the last couple of seasons, lots on here pontificate that we need to play a system to suit Pogba build a team around him, well Lukaku is no different, which is why at international level both players are more impressive.... the team is structured differently.
There are very few players that have had the ability to play to their maximum regardless of their strengths, look even to Messi with Argentina his exploits are less than underwhelming, yet in the right scenario , i.e. Barca in a league which is custom made for players of his ilk he is a different animal
There are very few players that have had the ability to play to their maximum regardless of their strengths, look even to Messi with Argentina his exploits are less than underwhelming, yet in the right scenario , i.e. Barca in a league which is custom made for players of his ilk he is a different animal
Yes, hugely overweight.
The fat Lukaku argument is the worst of the bunch.
Great contribution from both of you, totally missed the point.
To be fair his bodyfat really isnt low for a football-player. He looks leaner cause of his muscle-size
So hugely overweight would be too strong but he could easily lose about 5 kg
So hugely overweight would be too strong but he could easily lose about 5 kg
He’s certainly not fat. But is still overweight. Muscle mass is heavier than fat so overweight is to the point I reckon.
Being leaner will help him not only with his stamina levels but also being more agile in his movement throughout the whole 90 mins.
He is heavy and that takes toll on his first one, two touches in games and also moving into the right position before the defender.
You were laughing at fat jokes. What was your point?
I'm not going to repeat myself. Plus, there is nothing wrong in some humour.
Fair point. Although I thik De Gea had his blip inform due to his contract situation.
That was a general comment, not at any specific post, yours or others. Many people post the 'fat' line, it's wrong.
I got your point, but I don't think the above picture shows him as too bulky either. Maybe he could lose a couple just from being put through good conditioning, having Ole as manager. (I am totally for selling him for the right price by the way, I just think his physique is not a good reason)
His Everton weight was Drogba weight. Well.. early days anyway
But why? Apparently Ronaldo doesn’t want Dybala in his team, whereas here Dybala would be a star player alongside de Gea (and Pogba is he stays).
Weight does affect stamina though. There's a reason long distance runners are all on the lighter side. Lukaku in general would stand to benefit by shedding a few extra pounds and weighting in at around 85 kg, instead of the 90-95 he'e been at these last couple seasons.
I don't disagree, but stamina can be trained. If he lost the weight, he doesn't automatically become fitter, he needs to push his cardio work for that. It's funny, cause pushing himself more and more cardio wise would obviously burn more calories and bodyfat/muscle.
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