By younger I meant a 22/23 year old with upside.
We have Jones, if we need, to shut shop in tougher games.
Luiz Gustavo
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By younger I meant a 22/23 year old with upside.
We have Jones, if we need, to shut shop in tougher games.
Jones isn't a midfielder, he doesn't have the passing range or the positional awareness or the tactical discipline to be really good there. Gustavo is a far, far better option than him and better than any of our midfielders bar Carrick. He probably wouldn't be too expensive either.
Jones does a job when needed. He showed plenty discipline in the Spurs and Real game last season. I would say he was brilliant.
Gustavo is not a "far" better option then what we have. He would do well as back-up to Carrick but I would rather have McCarthy. Also, don't think he'll move to be back-up to Carrick in a world cup year and Sandro on his tail.
He's dynamic. He's not your Mascherano type midfielder, he tackles and gets stuck in, but also a good long range passer and can spot a through ball, with a good shot on him.
I don't see why he can't slot straight into our starting XI next to Carrick. He's a much better option than McCarthy or Cabaye, as well as playing Jones in midfield.
He doesn't have dynamism to fit in a box to box role that we need. He is a pretty defensive midfielder. I would be happier with Cleverley playing next to Carrick than Gustavo.
That he is and I don´t see the problem with it. Gustavo would walk right into the starting formation and improve the squad a great deal. You bring up dynamic and creativity, but the thing is, that he would bring exactly that, just not personally.
What he would do, is bring something to the team that is sorely missing right now: much needed defensive cover for Carrick. The latter is right now very often forced to play more defensively than ideal. Carrick could potentially contribute way more to the offensive, if he had the chance to do it and would not be forced to cover so much area, because of a shaky partner.
Gustavo would bring them stability, consistence and very good pace control. He has several strenghts: impressive passing range and accuracy, good tackling ability, excellent positioning and a good shot, but he is far from being a stand out players. He contributes a lot to the game, though. More often than not that becomes clear, when he was missing.
Defensive midfielder often stand in the shadows of their creative counterparts, because they don´t make the big plays. What is often forgotten and rarely mentioned is that workers like Khedira, Busquets, S. Bender or said Gustavo are the main reason, why the CM are able to play the way they do. They can take more risks and go for the bigger plays, because they know, that they have someone watching their backs, who can clear up the mess they potentially create.
He is Brazilian so I am assuming he can dribble, run with the ball well and use the ball well while under pressure.
Can he do these things?
Can he do these things?
Well let's put it this way he is as un-Brazilian as it gets. If he were any less Brazilian he would be English.
But jokes aside he is a bit like Lucas I guess but I think defensively even better than him and plays pretty save passes, I think his passing rate was around 90% last season but he rarely tries something spectacular or risky with his passes.
He is essentially Nigel de Jong but less of a cnut.
Is he better than Felipe Melo?
If we buy him we can play him at CB and Jones in CM.
I tend to like this idea. Two CM who can defend so we can fit in both RVP and Rooney in big games. Thats said its still important that both CMs have a good standard and range of passing.
I tend to like this idea. Two CM who can defend so we can fit in both RVP and Rooney in big games. Thats said its still important that both CMs have a good standard and range of passing.
He's exactly what people have been talking about as cover for Carrick. He could compete with him too but obviously Carrick has more to his game, Gustavo more of a ball winner.
Whats his passing ability like?
Whoscored.com suggest he has good passing ability and good at through balls.
He's very much Gilberto Silva. Not exciting but good enough passing to find avenues to the creative players
He sounds much like Fellaini then. Someone who'd add much needed steel in the middle and can partner carrick in the middle. Unlike Fellaini though, he comes across as someone who'd good enough to be the holding midfielder too, something I dont think Fellaini would be great at.
How would people compare the 2?
How would people compare the 2?
Thats exactly right as far as I'm concerned. I've seen Gustavo put in some brilliant holding midfield performances in some games, particularly the season before last - before Martinez came in.
I've never seen Fellaini play as well as a pure DM.
Gustavo and Paulinho together pretty much dominated Spain's much-vaunted tika-taka CM in the recent Confederation's Cup final.
Probably. Wolfsburg are currently talking up their chances of getting him.
It wasn't exactly the 'much vaunted' version. They were nowhere near their best but, if I remember right, Spain still dominated possession in midfield.
ESPN has it at 52-48%, fifa.com claims 53-47%, both in Spain's favour. Can't really be called domination. And it was Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets, no second-string line-up even though they were clearly far from their best.
Yeah but I doubt he'd be interested. Didnt he say he was happy at Bayern recently? It'd all change if we came calling though i believe.
That's at least partly because they weren't given the time and space to be near their best. To a significant extent their CM got disrupted, overpowered and broken up ... and Gustavo and Paulinho played a big part in this.
Regardless of whether we get Fabregas or not, I'd love us to sign this guy. Could play alongside Carrick as well as give him a break when needed. He fits the bill much, much better than Fellaini.
We wont look at him unfortunately.
No point in comparing them. Gustavo is a specialist holding player. The one guy who could buy and he'd more than perfectly replace the injured Fletcher currently, and Carrick in the long term. No to mention partnering him.
Unbelievably true. It must be nice to have a player like this, surplus to requirement.
True story
This is what annoys me about the teams stockpiling good CMs, when their 5th and 6th choices would probably walk into our starting XI
He played for Bayern in the all conquering team. I don't mind having him, or Fellaini.
Subtle.
In talks with Wolfsburg - I'm sure he could do better than that, no?
I'm sure as well but they can pay a shitload of money due to the backing from VW.
Still a bit strange that no other team seems to be in for him.
Yeah but maybe it shows that top teams arent so interested in a midfielder of his type right now
We would be crazy not be in for him, Wolfsburg probably would get him for less then 15m. Him and Fabregas would strengthen our squad immensely.
Bayern are basically saying the he's available if I understand correctly...what are we waiting for?
Fabregas....
We need two central midfielders and they are both different players. So it doesnt matter if we are waiting for Cesc, who by the way will absolutely not move here.
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