Luiz Gustavo

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He'll be a good addition if he comes - Arteta has done well but his lack of pace is now becoming critical.
 
He'd be a brilliant addition for Arsenal, don't understand people saying he's not right for them.
 
He might be limited but so was Gilberto Silva yet he was absolutely brilliant for them. They've generally done well with Brazilian midfielders, Edu was another one that went through a brilliant spell at Arsenal only to waste his potential at Valencia in search for bigger wages I think. Denilson didn't work out but even he looked like he had some potential at one point.
 
He would be an excellent player for us... comparable to Carrick who at 32 may need a break at some point during the season.

Don't want to see Rooney again used as make shift midfielder due to our lack of decent CM's.
 
Gustavo has a lot more to his game than just doing a man marking job on a brilliant midfielder. I think a top team should play his best formation against the very best in europe, not change the formation and play someone out of position to somehow have a chance to go through. If Manchester United needs someone like Jones to do a job in the biggest games, it surely makes sense to play a quality holding midfielder regularly, so that the team is used to him in the team and the manager finds a formation with a great balance between defense and attack, that works against anyone. I'm sure then the team would be even stronger in these games and increase the chance to win against City/Chelsea in the league or against the big teams in Europe. I don't know if Gustavo is the kind of player Moyes wants to have, but if the reason he doesn't want him is because against the strongest teams Jones can do a job, I'd be worried as a United supporter. That surely can't be the best way to build a team good enough to win the CL. Against 80% of the teams in the league, United should win anyway, with or without a defensive midfielder next to Carrick. Maybe there will be less 3-2 comeback wins and more 1-0 wins, but I don't think that's such a bad thing either.

Fair enough. But if we do play someone like Gustavo in the middle on a regular basis, I would expect more output from our front 4.

I think the reason why Valencia, Young got more games than Nani, for example, was always to compensate for the fact we had less defensive solidarity in CM and hence Fergie liked to compensate by having more workrate on the wings. Now, if we play someone like Gustavo regularly, I'd love to see a more 'attacking' front four including Nani, Zaha, Kagawa, RvP on a more regular basis.
 
If we can get a player like him who doesn't have any illusions about his place in the squad - then I'd take him in an instant. We can, in theory, get on stunningly with what we have: If Cleverley takes a further step or two, becomes a more rounded midfielder and Carrick plays another blinder of season - then, yes, it's not too shabby at all. But we lack depth - immensely so compared to other areas. Even if we lose Rooney and don't replace him at all, we still have a wealth of attacking options. We could get rid of a couple of defenders and still be well stocked compared to most sides. The story is dramatically different in the middle.

My impression is that Gustavo would probably want plenty of minutes wherever he decides to go (World Cup season and all). He might get that for us, but I don't see him as a sure starter, so to speak.

Yeah, he would be a great option for the squad no doubt, but he would definitely expect to be a regular XI player for a club he transfers to. I'm not actually against the signing, or particularly 'for' the signing. I think it'd be better than signing no one obviously, and can't really comment on whether I'd prefer him or Fellaini.
 
Yeah I also doubt Barca would be a good idea for him. He would be in the same boat as he is with Bayern now. On top of that don't you guys have to integrate Song first before you can think about bringing in another defensive midfielder for your central defense?
 
Song is terrible at CB despite coming in advertised as being able to platoon there. Gustavo, on the other hand, is better at CB. Still, I do think it's an unlikely scenario
 
So, given some of the dismissive comments in this thread about his ability, he would appear to have an impressive group of clubs chasing him.

Because, lo and behold, he's actually a good player.
 
Die Welt claim that Wolfsburg have beaten Arsenal to the signature of Bayern Munich midfielder Luiz Gustavo.
by GRAEME BAILEY 7:30 PM
 
I'm find it hard to believe that Wolfsburg can outbid Arsenal for a player, tbh.
 
Bayern asked for 17m pounds, Wenger was only willing to pay 14m pounds according to Kicker.
 
Bayern asked for 17m pounds, Wenger was only willing to pay 14m pounds according to Kicker.

It's going to be pretty funny if he joins Wolfsburg and we find out that this rumour is true.
 
Apparently the driver was a guaranteed starting spot so he can hang on to his Brazil slot for the world cup.
 
Forget us, it's actually ridiculous that Wenger has allowed Gustavo to go elsewhere, being stingy over a couple million, when the player expressed his desire to go there just days ago.

Us not even looking in his direction is annoying but we'll cope.
 
Apparently the driver was a guaranteed starting spot so he can hang on to his Brazil slot for the world cup.
He'd be a guaranteed starter at Arsenal too, you need a defensively minded midfielder.
 
Apparently the fee is €22m and Gustavo will earn £131k a week

That isn't too shabby. And a guaranteed starting spot. To him the most important thing right now is probably to make sure he plays for Brazil next summer: Wolfsburg may not be a glamorous club, but it's no backwater either - the Bundesliga's status is high at the moment. All in all, it makes plenty of sense for him to go there.
 
My initial reaction is to laugh at Arsenal but then I think it might be depressingly representative that a player would rather go to a club like Wolfsburg in the Bundesliga over Arsenal in the PL. Then again, maybe they are just paying him a shit load of cash. I don't believe that Arsene drew the line at 14m when they wanted £17m, not even he is that fecking tight with cash. £17m is a cracking price for someone like Gustavo and regardless of the reasons, Arsenal fans will go nuts if this is true.
 
Apparently the driver was a guaranteed starting spot so he can hang on to his Brazil slot for the world cup.

I don't believe that in the slightest. It's a long ass season and there are more than enough games through rotation for him to get a decent run. This has been the craziest transfer window where you all are concerned; two days till the season starts and not one quality improvement in the squad?

PS...Thanks for offloading Gervinho onto us...much appreciated.:rolleyes:
 
True. But can you honestly see Wenger dropping Arteta for him? Other than Arteta there's no other player he'd replace in the starting lineup.

You could easily play with Cazorla from the left and Walcott on the right, Arteta would probably lose out like you said and it's never a guarantee that Wilshere will play every game. I think he'd start in the vast majority of Arsenal's matches and would be a huge addition to the squad in terms of strength in depth.
 
My initial reaction is to laugh at Arsenal but then I think it might be depressingly representative that a player would rather go to a club like Wolfsburg in the Bundesliga over Arsenal in the PL. Then again, maybe they are just paying him a shit load of cash. I don't believe that Arsene drew the line at 14m when they wanted £17m, not even he is that fecking tight with cash. £17m is a cracking price for someone like Gustavo and regardless of the reasons, Arsenal fans will go nuts if this is true.
It's the £130k that'd be a stumbling block in any negotiations if the figure is true, no way Wenger would be making him the top earner. It goes to show that not every player out there dreams about the magnificent Premier League though.
 
My initial reaction is to laugh at Arsenal but then I think it might be depressingly representative that a player would rather go to a club like Wolfsburg in the Bundesliga over Arsenal in the PL. Then again, maybe they are just paying him a shit load of cash. I don't believe that Arsene drew the line at 14m when they wanted £17m, not even he is that fecking tight with cash. £17m is a cracking price for someone like Gustavo and regardless of the reasons, Arsenal fans will go nuts if this is true.

You have no idea.

This is a man who was asked "If I give you 150 million to spend, what would you do"
Wenger's answer : "Give it back"
 
It's the £130k that'd be a stumbling block in any negotiations if the figure is true, no way Wenger would be making him the top earner. It goes to show that not every player out there dreams about the magnificent Premier League though.

You're probably right, those are massive wages for an, albeit talented, water carrier. No way is he worthy of earning more than the likes of Cazorla and Wilshere.
 
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