Luis Nani | 2013/14 Performances

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Hectic said:
What? You'd be over the moon with Nani being sold for £8.5 million? Are you retarded?
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No he's worth much more. He ticks all the boxes

Struggles to hold down first team place
Out of contract end of the season
Interesting only lower-level 'top' European sides.

If he doesn't go for £40m we're screwed.

I don't get how much evidence people need for substantiating Nani isn't 'all that'. Surely when we get to a stage where a player is in the last year of his contract and attracting bids as low as £8m is by today's standards - it's a bit of a hint.
 
As I've said before I really think unless we have someone line up loosing nani and probably Rooney would be a big loss for us and particularly in terms if nani at the prices quoted I can't see how he's not worth that to us if he stayed.
 
Hectic said:
What? You'd be over the moon with Nani being sold for £8.5 million? Are you retarded?
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It's his style holding completely different opinions than other posters. Or creating them to show that he's different.
 
Stickles said:
No he's worth much more. He ticks all the boxes

Struggles to hold down first team place
Out of contract end of the season
Interesting only lower-level 'top' European sides.

If he doesn't go for £40m we're screwed.

I don't get how much evidence people need for substantiating Nani isn't 'all that'. Surely when we get to a stage where a player is in the last year of his contract and attracting bids as low as £8m is by today's standards - it's a bit of a hint.
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Thanks, but I wasn't asking you because I'm already aware of how retarded you are.
 
Revan said:
It's his style holding completely different opinions than other posters. Or creating them to show that he's different.
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It's what Nani's value is hence that is why he'll likely be sold for that amount. This bizarre wold where somehow anyone who rates Nani as less than spectacular as a 'retard' yet is happy to ignore the reality of a bit-part player in the last year of his contract not really getting much attention and due to move to the French league for what is by modern standards small fee - completely ignored. As if the reality is what happens in their heads rather than what happens in real life.

I don't get what it is about Nani that does this to people.
 
Hectic said:
Thanks, but I wasn't asking you because I'm already aware of how retarded you are.
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Yes me, yer man up there, Manchester United and all the clubs that don't give a feck about buying Nani and the club that's offering us pittance for him - are all retards. Unlike the clever folk of the Caf who know the real deal.
 
Stickles said:
No he's worth much more. He ticks all the boxes

Struggles to hold down first team place
Out of contract end of the season
Interesting only lower-level 'top' European sides.

If he doesn't go for £40m we're screwed.

I don't get how much evidence people need for substantiating Nani isn't 'all that'. Surely when we get to a stage where a player is in the last year of his contract and attracting bids as low as £8m is by today's standards - it's a bit of a hint.
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Yeah, feck, lets not use any kind of objective reasoning, such as the amount of goals he's scored or assisted or even anything subjective like the fact we've all seen him be very good lets use a nonesense standard such as that.

I'd be annoyed if we sold him full stop, but the figures we're talking are a damn right outrage.
 
If we sell Nani we need a couple of wingers as well. Only player I would really rate as a top player in our entire midfield would be Carrick.
 
NinjaFletch said:
Yeah, feck, lets not use any kind of objective reasoning, such as the amount of goals he's scored or assisted or even anything subjective like the fact we've all seen him be very good lets use a nonesense standard such as that.

I'd be annoyed if we sold him full stop, but the figures we're talking are a damn right outrage.
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Quite funny given the stick given out in the Young thread to anyone who uses assists or goals scored.
 
Stickles said:
No he's worth much more. He ticks all the boxes

Struggles to hold down first team place
Out of contract end of the season
Interesting only lower-level 'top' European sides.

If he doesn't go for £40m we're screwed.

I don't get how much evidence people need for substantiating Nani isn't 'all that'. Surely when we get to a stage where a player is in the last year of his contract and attracting bids as low as £8m is by today's standards - it's a bit of a hint.
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:lol: People like you make this place fun.. I could follow your rubbish all day long, it's amusing.. akin to the facebook Manchester United page

#LongliveSticklesTOPREDTroll
 
Stickles said:
It's what Nani's value is hence that is why he'll likely be sold for that amount. This bizarre wold where somehow anyone who rates Nani as less than spectacular as a 'retard' yet is happy to ignore the reality of a bit-part player in the last year of his contract not really getting much attention and due to move to the French league for what is by modern standards small fee - completely ignored. As if the reality is what happens in their heads rather than what happens in real life.

I don't get what it is about Nani that does this to people.
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A player's value is completely subjective and not what they are sold for. Were Torres and Andy Carroll worth what they were sold for ? Nani, who is in the prime of his career, should probably go for something closer to 25m, and he certainly would had he played more last year.
 
Raoul said:
A player's value is completely subjective and not what they are sold for. Were Torres and Andy Carroll worth what they were sold for ? Nani, who is in the prime of his career, should probably go for something closer to 25m, and he certainly would had he played more last year.
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But Nani never really reached the prime. He had that good 18 month spell but that's it. He's always been a player whose potential has outstripped his ability and now his age has caught up with hm and he's a player who should be in the prime of his career, on a big-ass long contract and worth £30m-£40m. He should be a player whose availability sets cocks hardening across Europe.

The fact he's none of those things has nothing to do with me being a 'retard' no matter how much people want to make themselves feel better about themselves by thinking it.
 
Does the contract someone is on add/take away from their 'value'? For example if two players are on par in terms of ability, but one is paid more, would you consider his value higher? I ask because I wouldn't, for me value is subjective of ability/age. Contract situations may enable you to purchase below value, but surely it can't change a players value?
 
Jaybezia said:
Does the contract someone is on add/take away from their 'value'? For example if two players are on par in terms of ability, but one is paid more, would you consider his value higher? I ask because I wouldn't, for me value is subjective of ability/age. Contract situations may enable you to purchase below value, but surely it can't change a players value?
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Well we can ignore the contract situation if you like. A player of Nani's supposed abilities being available for a paltry £8m.

Where's the queue?
 
Stickles said:
Quite funny given the stick given out in the Young thread to anyone who uses assists or goals scored.
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Brwned made a post aimed at you in the Young thread that basically summed up the difference between using stats for the two players, funnily enough, you never managed a response.

Brwned said:
You seem to be ignoring the context involved in both arguments. People are saying that injuries are a valid excuse for Nani because we've already seen that he's capable of being one of our best players when fully fit. He's also shown that he can be a very influential player in attack even when he's not producing goals or assists. Young has neither going for him, he just has those stats and those excuses on their own with nothing supporting them. You've already established that build-up play is something that you don't appreciate and/or care for in the slightest in the Welbeck thread though, so that's basically why your opinions are at odds with the majority. Your perception of technique and build-up play and/or the importance of them are distinctly different to most others', that's never going to change, that's why you don't understand how people can have such wildly differing views based on the same "evidence".
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It's as if me thinking there's not much difference between Young and Nani is the reason he's out of contract about to be flogged to the French league.

Its fairly desperate stuff and hilarious considering the dogs abuse the lad gets from people who immediately become prissy if you suggest Nani might not be all that much to write home about himself.

Criticise Nani? Retard
Criticise Young? Well we're all entitle to our opinions.
 
Stickles said:
Well we can ignore the contract situation if you like. A player of Nani's supposed abilities being available for a paltry £8m.

Where's the queue?
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Firstly, the £8 million is speculative, as is your non-existant list, when does every team announce which player they are after? Moreover, anything official has said the contrary and that we aren't looking to sell. You know this though, you are either a clever guy being a troll, or just an absolutely backwards guy..
 
Jaybezia said:
Firstly, the £8 million is speculative, as is your non-existant list, when does every team announce which player they are after? Moreover, anything official has said the contrary and that we aren't looking to sell. You know this though, you are either a clever guy being a troll, or just an absolutely backwards guy..
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From any interaction I've had with him he hasn't appeared to have actually watched a football match nor have followed the transfer market from, at the latest, 2003. That seems to be where his perception of prices comes from.
 
NinjaFletch said:
From any interaction I've had with him he hasn't appeared to have actually watched a football match nor have followed the transfer market from, at the latest, 2003. That seems to be where his perception of prices comes from.
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Either that or nevernever land mate, I don't get people like this, holding an opinion is one thing, saying it like its fact, when in reality, all the facts are to the contrary is just blindsightingly stupid (I think a made a new word there :))
 
Colin129 said:
I thought Moyes said Nani was in his plans the other day.
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I thought so too, but when Woodward said recently that the club are not currently sitting down with anyone to discuss a renewal as there is nothing being triggered in the calendar or whatever, then that does seem a little odd considering Nani's position, only having one season left. You'd think if we really wanted him to stay, he'd be getting a renewal.
 
Stickles said:
Pretty much. I mean...shut up, retard.
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Nearly been a month that you joined... and several people are saying you are not only wrong, but an idiot about being wrong..

You know how to make friends don't you? And it's not as simple as if we really wanted him, he'd have a contract renewal immediately.. You know that.
 
Jaybezia said:
Nearly been a month that you joined... and several people are saying you are not only wrong, but an idiot about being wrong..

You know how to make friends don't you? And it's not as simple as if we really wanted him, he'd have a contract renewal immediately.. You know that.
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Given the same cast of characters here who attack anyone who says anything vaguely criticial about Nani seem to think it's fine to talk about Young as if he's some sort of dog in his thread, I'm not all that bothered to be honest.

But do you think Nani is deliberately playing hardball with his contract to force a dream £8m move to the French league? I think you may have a point there.
 
Stickles said:
Given the same cast of characters here who attack anyone who says anything vaguely criticial about Nani seem to think it's fine to talk about Young as if he's some sort of dog in his thread, I'm not all that bothered to be honest.

But do you think Nani is deliberately playing hardball with his contract to force a dream £8m move to the French league? I think you may have a point there.
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Sarcasm isn't the only way to get your point across, you just look like a cnut for it.

Firstly, you are basing EVERYTHING on assumptions, how do you know Nani is playing hardball? How do you know we aren't preparing/deciding a contract renewal? How do you know the fee is £8 for a proposed (non-existent) move? My point is, your claims back off of speculation, on top of more speculation, with a few guesses in the middle.

I don't think your an idiot, and I can understand what your saying to a degree as I disagree with the words said regarding AY
 
It's not really speculation to look at his use in side and that he's in the last year of his contract. Speculation is speculation, of course. But we generally know who the hottest 'wants' across Europe in the transfer window are through speculation and Nani doesn't seem to be one of them. Of course everyone could have missed a trick and Bayern could be launching a £20m raid as we speak. But it's safe to say they probably aren't.

All people do is opine that his current situation with his contract must somehow reflect his value either as a player or to the team. I personally think people are so ingrained and invested in defending and bigging up the player that even mild observations like the above gets the label 'retard' hilariously from the same group of people who if you read event he last few pages of the Young thread use insults like him not being good enough for this club, should be sold, is rubbish, average and all the rest of it. It's as if Young has become a conductor for people trying to convince themselves and others than Nani is better than he is. I don't think there's much between them at all and I know that annoys people. I don't understand why.

But Nani's status isn't what it is for no reason. Maybe he's better than I think he is. I accept I may underrate him through personal taste. But he's also nowhere near as good as people on here think he is. Some of them anyway. Difference is in the Young thread when people insult him people reason with others.

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"Retard". And as I say given who it is giving out on that thread about Young it becomes funnier.
 
Stickles said:
It's not really speculation to look at his use in side and that he's in the last year of his contract. Speculation is speculation, of course. But we generally know who the hottest 'wants' across Europe in the transfer window are through speculation and Nani doesn't seem to be one of them.
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Right there...I've pinpointed the moment where "retard" becomes the correct way to describe you.
 
The Nani situation is clearly delicate because he has had long periods where he has seemed to be out of favour and his contract status is precarious. My assumption - as has been pointed out everything to do with this is down to assumption - is that Woodward is playing his cards close to his chest on this one. I certainly dont pay much attention to what the papers say on these kinds of subjects, journalists are paid to write stories regardless of whether there is anything to actually write about, when nothing much is happening they have to speculate, that is all that seems to be happening here.

Personally I dont see why either party would be especially motivated to see him leave at this stage, not for the paltry sums being bandied about. Nani must be thinking he has a clean slate at United to prove himself to Moyes. Failing that, if he waits a year he will be a free agent with better options. For us, why would we let a talented player leave for a fraction of what it would cost to replace him, even if you dont think he is as good as some people make out? Worst case scenario, he stays, has an unspectacular season and leaves on a free. Best case, he recaptures some of his previous form and we extend his contract during the year.

Maybe we are waiting to see how the first half of the season pans out for him before we decide what kind of a renewal to offer him. Or maybe the resolution to this matter is closer than any of us know, but the details are yet to be revealed to us.
 
Hope this isnt true. Getting ripped off by Monaco after the amount of money they spent on other players would be quite something...
Also Stickles it's not a problem to have a different opinion, but as Jaybezia said the way you get your point across is just a bit cnutish.

Really want Nani to stay and show what he's capable of again. Some of us seem to forget pretty fast.
 
Stickles said:
All people do is opine that his current situation with his contract must somehow reflect his value either as a player or to the team.
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I agree it doesnt look great for Nani, the situation he finds himself in with his contract. My feeling is this has come about because of a fairly unique set of circumstances - some poor form, some persistent injuries and of course a change of manager. If SAF had been staying I think he would have made a decision about Nani one way or the other last season or this summer and there would have been some resolution. But with Moyes coming in and most of the rest of the squad (except Rooney) being quite settled, maybe SAF decided to leave that decision to Moyes. And Moyes might want to actually manage him for a bit - see how good their working relationship will be and what kind of form he starts the season in - before making his final decision.
 
I don't think Moyes would want to sell him, he made a pointed statement about wanting to give everyone a chance and we've got plenty of deadwood about to ship out but we haven't (yet). If Nani wants to stay he will, clean slate etc. if he wants off then ta-ra.
 
Stickles said:
It's not really speculation to look at his use in side and that he's in the last year of his contract. Speculation is speculation, of course. But we generally know who the hottest 'wants' across Europe in the transfer window are through speculation and Nani doesn't seem to be one of them. Of course everyone could have missed a trick and Bayern could be launching a £20m raid as we speak. But it's safe to say they probably aren't..
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So Nani isn't the hottest property in Europe and hasn't played much for United recently, i'd agree. On form though, he can change all of this but yes I agree that's currently the situation.

All people do is opine that his current situation with his contract must somehow reflect his value either as a player or to the team. I personally think people are so ingrained and invested in defending and bigging up the player that even mild observations like the above gets the label 'retard' hilariously from the same group of people who if you read event he last few pages of the Young thread use insults like him not being good enough for this club, should be sold, is rubbish, average and all the rest of it. It's as if Young has become a conductor for people trying to convince themselves and others than Nani is better than he is. I don't think there's much between them at all and I know that annoys people. I don't understand why.
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I can understand what your saying here, but the reason for it is football 'fans' that are just fans and aren't particularly knowledgeable regarding football tactics etc, see Nani do a few step overs or probably still pine for the Nani in the Arsenal game, albeit the same 'spectacularness' (I know what I mean :lol:) isn't there with Young, he's an old style winger for me.. DOes this mean it's justified, the criticism on AY? No, but you do understand it, you just like me, don't agree with it. Yes definitely that happens regarding the retard comment, there are a lot of train jumpers here, and by that I mean if someone (who is seen as knowledgeable here) says something, you will find the smaller idiots like Eboue (the yes men) jumping on the train and following, they don't even always know why, it's best to ignore them. It's a football forum though, it's going to happen.

But Nani's status isn't what it is for no reason. Maybe he's better than I think he is. I accept I may underrate him through personal taste. But he's also nowhere near as good as people on here think he is. Some of them anyway. Difference is in the Young thread when people insult him people reason with others.
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Nani's status?....

And I agree completely, you probably do underrate Nani and overrate Young, but we all have our preferences I suppose, Out of interest, where would you rate Nani and Young in comparison to top wingers? (Messi/Cr removed)
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"Retard". And as I say given who it is giving out on that thread about Young it becomes funnier.
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I tend to stay away from the AY thread as I know it to be very one sided, no real debate in there..
 
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