When was he ever linked to the biggest clubs? The only top club link I can recall is when his agent rather desperately name-dropped Roma into an interview. Which by itself is a pretty clear indication Roma have never been interested.
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When was he ever linked to the biggest clubs? The only top club link I can recall is when his agent rather desperately name-dropped Roma into an interview. Which by itself is a pretty clear indication Roma have never been interested.
Are you deliberately being thick?
Nani has been linked to Real plenty of times in the last few seasons, you don't even have to search too hard to find those stories.
So are Nani's.
Rooney this Summer hasn't really been linked with any big clubs, PSG seem the most likely but other than that it's all complete speculation.
Your last paragraph is yet again showing that you have an innate ability to let things go. You really need to stop that, people will start to think you're a twat.
If anyone wants to find somewhere linking Nani to Real Madrid I'd be happy to see it.
I still don't get this refusal to face up to reality. He's one of the best wingers in the country possibly Europe - but his current club aren't seemingly bothered about meeting his contract demands or play him.
Ignoring the "Can you prove he hasn't interested Real Madrid" nonsense - this is surely the central issue that needs to be addressed. Either we've been INCREDIBLY stupid or some people overrate him. I know what I think is the more logical conclusion.
I still don't get this refusal to face up to reality. He's one of the best wingers in the country possibly Europe - but his current club aren't seemingly bothered about meeting his contract demands or play him.
Ignoring the "Can you prove he hasn't interested Real Madrid" nonsense - this is surely the central issue that needs to be addressed. Either we've been INCREDIBLY stupid or some people overrate him. I know what I think is the more logical conclusion.
Your problem is that you seemingly think we all still hold the opinion that he is still one of the best wingers in Europe when in reality barely anyone has said that for years, mostly what we've said is that he's probably still our best winger when on form. You're constantly rambling on about us calling him world class and amazing but you'd have to go back to 2011 to hear anyone actually say that, which is why your whole logic is so stupid.
Best winger on form, go back to 2011...I am surprised a man as smart as yourself can't see why we no one wants him, Cina.
Isn't that what I said?
That is what you said. The problem is, that form is erratic and it has been two years since we have seen his best. Does it surprise you that we don't want to offer him crazy money he wants? Or why no one else seems very interested in his services for the wages he demands?
No and no. Did I imply that it did surprise me?
Sorry just to clarify, are we now along with denying that he's not being linked with any top clubs, not having his contract renewed because he's not considered that important a player by his club, not played that much last year because he isn't considered a preferable option to others - we now have to prove that people have said he's been of the best wingers in the country/Europe?
Just to clarify for future reference - he's still Portuguese right? Because if the next argument is "have you seen his passport then?" I think it's only fair we know in advance.
Just to clarify for future reference - he's still Portuguese right? Because if the next argument is "have you seen his passport then?" I think it's only fair we know in advance.
Google it, you'll find plenty of links.
We don't know if any of the big clubs are interested in nani or not, we don't know why Nani hasn't signed a contract with United - it could be wages, it could be his attitude, it could be that the club doesn't rate or maybe he just doesn't want to sign a new contract. This "Nani is not a good player because no big club is interested in him" is very flawed logic because it's based on things you don't have a clue about.
No no. I'll find links linking Rooney with Madrid, Barcelona etc this summer. You find me the same for Nani over the last two years, just to be fair.
No, this is what you've said, not what the rest of us have said. Let's just clarify that shall we?
Well you seem to be not saying very much at all.
So what is the reason he's in his current situation. Because you've rejected the idea he's inconsistent, you've rejected the idea he isn't linked or interesting any of the top clubs you reject the idea he isn't considered an important first-team player. So what is it?
You seem very keen in nit-picking and splitting hairs in other people's arguments but you seem to be suspiciously reticent at providing your own.
All people have said is that maybe the lack of interest, his contract situation and how he's not being used at the club suggests he's not as important a player as some may thing. All you seem to do is say "no" "no" "no".
It's funny how you use the term "Rest of us" as well as if under the illusion you must form the majority opinion.
The same sources you're using to back up your opinion he was coveted by the biggest teams. You can't have it both ways.
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/new...oung-set-to-sign-Exclusive-article744321.html
http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/real-madrid-plan-25m-summer-bid-man-utd-ace-nani-2638551
http://www.caughtoffside.com/2011/04/28/real-madrid-plan-25m-bid-for-manchester-united-star-nani/
http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-n...united-winger-shock-target-real-madrid-177820
http://www.elcentrocampista.com/2012/01/man-united-nano-to-real-madrid/
http://www.dbsfootball.com/2011/04/nani-to-real-madrid-latest-rumour.html
http://www.soccernews.com/real-weighing-up-shock-move-for-nani/99720/
Now Caughtoffside and Talksport have said it I'll have to reconsider my opinions
What's Valencia got to do with it?
I am not. I think judging a player based on which club he's being linked to is beyond stupid. I just brought up the links to the top clubs because of the suggestion that he has never been linked to the top clubs. For the record I think 95% of the links are ridiculous
I didn't change any yard stick. If you ascertain any sarcasm in what I said it simply belies your own trust in what you've posted.
That or you're just seeing what you want to see, i.e. claiming that we all think Nani is some majestic superstar who should get whatever he wants at the club when in reality feck all people have said anything along those lines.
been done to death, but it could be anything couldn't it? Is there any tangible proof towards either side of the argument? he could have wanted too much money, or like you said, maybe SAF just didn't rate him as highly as people on the Caf do (something I haven't ever argued as being possible, FWIW), maybe he himself became disillusioned with being second choice to a worse player (Young) and probably our shittest player last season (Valencia).
And posted feckloads in the past to back that up, likewise in the last few pages MoneyMay made a great post showing that.
See the above from akash, and just to be clear, in case you go off on another weird misinterpreting tangent and make your own nonsensical shite up, I haven't said he's been linked to any this Summer at all, because he's off the back of a shit season, just that he was in the past, and he was.
Where?
If you say so.
No I haven't.
I think it's clear that I do form the majority opinion here seeing as your whole original argument was based on not really caring whether he signed a new contract or not and that it might not actually be worth keeping him, where as the majority of posters were happy about the news (assuming it's true) and do want to keep him.
And what "reputable" sources have posted articles about Rooney going to big clubs?
Eh?
The links I posted are probably rubbish but no less rubbish than the ones that link Rooney to the top clubs. You can't have it both ways. Next you'll be wanting an official statement from Real Madrid that they were interested in nani
How was I having it both ways?
I said now it's been confirmed Talksport and Caughtoffside have published these rumours then I'd have to reconsider my opinion. If you want to read anything more into that then be my guest.
I don't think the initial point was to do with links. Nani has been clearly available for a year and has only one year left on his deal and yet he's still here. All this despite talk of how great he is. How many players hyped the way Nani has been here would be allowed by their club to get within one year of their deal expiring and how many would not be the subjec of transfer offers from big clubs? Something doesn't add up and that was the point being made.
Again, we don't know why it's come down to the last year. There could be a load of reasons for why that's the case and Fergie stressed that he did want nani to sign a new contract so if Nani hasn't signed one then it's not for a lack of trying on the part of the club.
Seriously, mate?
You're missing the facts. Nani was consistent for two-and-a-half seasons (second half of 09/10, 10/11, and 11/12). You have missed the fact that Nani has one year left on his contract, so why would you expect anything above £10 million for him? Additionally, clubs know the situation regarding his contract, so why would they attempt to bid an excessive amount of money for him? He's been linked with top clubs in the past, you do know that, right? I still maintain that the contract negotiations were a result of the Rooney effect. Rooney is inconsistent, as is Nani, so why not give him his demands (which aren't as excessive as Rooney's)? I can't remember who mentioned it, but I remember reading on here - and wholeheartedly agreeing with the opinion - that Nani asking for big, big wages at Zenit showed that his mind wasn't set on moving to a club that is nowhere near Manchester United.
To answer your question in your post, with an open mind, I would actually use multiple reasons. I would firstly start off by introducing the fact that mentally, Nani is a weak player. He's not mentally strong like, say, Ronaldo (I'm drawing similarities between Ronaldo in 2009 and Nani in 2012, so please don't mistake this for ability). He let the contract negotiations play too much of a role in the first half of the season, but let's be honest, he was professional as one would expect. I would also bring up the fact the figure is largely down to him having one year to his contract left (there are exceptions), but performances should not play a role in deciding the ultimate fee considering that external problems led to this. In fact, once Nani returned from injury, he produced the most consistent run of all of wingers last season. Did you even witness what he did to Varane, a tall, physically dominant defender at Old Trafford? I believe that you have too much emotion against Nani, trust me - clubs will look at what he's done over a prolonged period, rather than look at a season where injuries were the focal cause of him not playing as much as we would have liked, which dismantles this belief that it was to do with consistency.
No I wouldn't have expected someone of Nani's quality, coming off, apparently two and a half years of admirable consistency, to have got into the last year of his contract with no real appetite from his current club to offer him an extension and no great demand from anyone else to take him off their hands.
I feel a little bit like the lyrics to a Bruno Mars song but if Nani hasn't earned his position on the fringe of the team and in the last year of his contract by being all some claim. It's as if people cannot make the connection between his predicament and their overrating of his talents. Instead he's brilliant and the situation question just remains unanswered. As if someone who has had five good years, or even two and a half at this level would be so easily sidelined. It wouldn't happen and people can make all the excuses in the world they like. I suspect if he is sold they'll continue. He'll be the only 34 year old player never to live up to potential yet in the eyes of some always completely brilliant. There's simply no reasoning with some people. He's brilliant - so he's on the fringes of the squad, last year of his contract, no great desire to give in to his demands and he'll probably end up in Turkey at the end of it. I'd feel patronised if anyone had to explain the flaw in this reasoning, so I'll be courteous and not do so myself.
I feel a little bit like the lyrics to a Bruno Mars song but if Nani hasn't earned his position on the fringe of the team and in the last year of his contract by being all some claim. It's as if people cannot make the connection between his predicament and their overrating of his talents. Instead he's brilliant and the situation question just remains unanswered. As if someone who has had five good years, or even two and a half at this level would be so easily sidelined. It wouldn't happen and people can make all the excuses in the world they like. I suspect if he is sold they'll continue. He'll be the only 34 year old player never to live up to potential yet in the eyes of some always completely brilliant. There's simply no reasoning with some people. He's brilliant - so he's on the fringes of the squad, last year of his contract, no great desire to give in to his demands and he'll probably end up in Turkey at the end of it. I'd feel patronised if anyone had to explain the flaw in this reasoning, so I'll be courteous and not do so myself.
Wise choice, especially since you would be explaining the flaw in a reasoning nobody has actually employed. Nani may be overrated by some, that's quite possible. But the fact is that his supporters here - at the Caf - mainly claim that he is our best winger. They don't claim he is a world beater who would walk into Real's starting line-up. The most common argument is that he shouldn't be sold because he is - again - our best winger in terms of talent and potential, and that he isn't as inconsistent as his detractors claim. That's a far cry from declaring him a great player, or even a "brilliant" one.
So he's our best winger who struggles to keep down a place in the team and who the club don't seem that bothered to offer a new contract to? Even within those perimeters there's a huge logical flaw.
Whether you call him good or brilliant, the best in the world or the best in the team - is irrelevant. Fact is he isn't in his position because he's valued so highly and considered indispensable. No matter how many hairs you care to split. It just seems incredible that there's a player who is on the fringe of the team, lauded by many and without a contract beyond this year - who it's impossible to criticise. The reality of his situation is he's not a very important player.
It's also funny how a few people who seem to want to defend Nani from criticisms seem to want to do so from a platform of denying they've ever said anything of the sort. So they'll defend him against accusations of inconsistency...but never say he's not inconsistent. They'll say he's had a good 18 months, but then deny anyone ever said he had a good 18 months. They'll acknowledge he's on the fringe of the squad but then when people use this as a reason why his value is less than some might suggest they suddenly deny the importance of him being on the fringe of the squad.
Like debating with people who see devil's advocacy not so much as a means to an end but a lifestyle choice.
Whether you call him good or brilliant, the best in the world or the best in the team - is irrelevant. Fact is he isn't in his position because he's valued so highly and considered indispensable. No matter how many hairs you care to split. It just seems incredible that there's a player who is on the fringe of the team, lauded by many and without a contract beyond this year - who it's impossible to criticise. The reality of his situation is he's not a very important player.
It's also funny how a few people who seem to want to defend Nani from criticisms seem to want to do so from a platform of denying they've ever said anything of the sort. So they'll defend him against accusations of inconsistency...but never say he's not inconsistent. They'll say he's had a good 18 months, but then deny anyone ever said he had a good 18 months. They'll acknowledge he's on the fringe of the squad but then when people use this as a reason why his value is less than some might suggest they suddenly deny the importance of him being on the fringe of the squad.
Like debating with people who see devil's advocacy not so much as a means to an end but a lifestyle choice.
We don't know the details as far as the contract situation goes. It's probably safe to assume the club hasn't been "that bothered" to make him sign an extension, though. That in its turn may be down to many things, one of them obviously being that Fergie did not consider Nani indispensable (to use your term). He did think enough of him to start him in last season's biggest match, however, so to what extent he was really a fringe player may be discussed. Like his general game, his status at the club has been up and down.
It's not irrelevant whether he is or isn't our best winger - it's the whole point, in fact. We're not talking about Nani here as much as your arguments against people's conceptions and contentions about him. I maintain that most people on here who may be called Nani supporters first and foremost claim that he is our best winger, not that he is indispensable or a world beater. Would you say he is not our best winger, out of interest?
I maintain that Nani is our best winger. He had a piss poor season due to a bad injury and factors unknown, but there's nothing to suggest he cannot put that behind him and be the best in the league once again.
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Bit strange that we aren't sure whether he's allowed to fly or not. Just ask the doc!
Bit strange that we aren't sure whether he's allowed to fly or not. Just ask the doc!
Probably worried about health risks - Blood clots in aeroplanes etc. Not really worth the risk.
Agreed and he is by far our best winger. Many people talk about his contract, consistency etc and want him sold. Who would you replace him with actually?
We need to keep our best players since buying new talent is very difficult and expansive.
I think its clear Nani's ups are worth his down spells. I'd much rather that that Young's consistant ordinary displays
But we had Nani and invested £16m in Valencia
We had Nani and paid £17m for Young.
We had Nani and paid £14m for Zaha.
We had Nani and started to play Welbeck wide-left.
We had Nani when we began playing other players out on the left, many of whom weren't traditional wingers.
You cannot ignore the money that keeps on getting poured into the wide positions and we see how players like Rooney and Kagawa and Welbeck and indeed Giggs have in recent times. People speak as if it's 'Nani and the rest'. Like a first 11 is Nani on one flank +1 on the other. We so far removed from that now and we've been getting further and further away with each passing season.
Now Young is no better. But the differences nobody uses nonsense superlatives for him.
We had Nani and paid £17m for Young.
We had Nani and paid £14m for Zaha.
We had Nani and started to play Welbeck wide-left.
We had Nani when we began playing other players out on the left, many of whom weren't traditional wingers.
You cannot ignore the money that keeps on getting poured into the wide positions and we see how players like Rooney and Kagawa and Welbeck and indeed Giggs have in recent times. People speak as if it's 'Nani and the rest'. Like a first 11 is Nani on one flank +1 on the other. We so far removed from that now and we've been getting further and further away with each passing season.
Now Young is no better. But the differences nobody uses nonsense superlatives for him.
We had Rooney, we bought Berbatov
We had Rooney, we bought Hernandez
we bought Rooney, we bought RVP
We had Rooney, we bought Hernandez
we bought Rooney, we bought RVP
But the flaw in your attempt is that Rooney has remained a first 11 regular throughout. Nani has not. You don't get a 'partner' for someone on the wing.
Now if we kept signing forwards and Rooney was only ever used in rotation with others claiming he was more important than the others would be equally as ridiculous.
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