I'll take a rough estimate.
Luis Nani | 2013/14 Performances
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I'll take a rough estimate.
With the exception of last season, Nani was the most consistent winger in the Premier League for two-and-a-half seasons. I've read many idiotic tweets about him being inconsistent, but how can anyone judge a player off one season where said players' mentality wasn't right? In 10/11, he was our most consistent attacker, and finished the season with 10 goals and 18 assists. In 11/12, he finished the season off with 10 goals and 17 assists. In the same season, Valencia scored 6 goals and registered 16 assists. In fact, Valencia was better in 11/12 in the league because he had a more consistent run in the side. Before Nani was injured vs. Arsenal last year, he was arguably our best player alongside Rooney, but people forget this. Last season, Valencia had one goal and 8 assists; Nani 3 goals and 7 assists. Last season proves that even when Nani is playing poorly, he can still produce goals and assists, more than any of our other wingers. Good/decent players can't do that consistently. Add to that the fact Nani produced the most consistent run of performances out of any of our wingers last season: Fulham, Reading, QPR, Real Madrid, and Chelsea. Who cares though?! We'll just use Welbeck who isn't a winger and Kagawa, who plays much, much better as an attacking midfielder as options.
Turns out he has a broken nose.
How did that happen do you think?
How did that happen do you think?
Petrucci Strikes Back.
He'll be a new signing if he comes back fit and sharp
Last season was his only poor one in recent times, he was consistently good to very good the 3 seasons before that. I have no idea why he was dropped last season but I don't believe that it had much to do with his actual performances or ability as a player. Letting Nani go if he was open to staying would be stupid unless of course we're bringing in Bale/Ronaldo etc... which I don't see happening. Even then, Nani is the last winger of ours I'd get rid of.
I had a whole long post typed out to defend Nani's form over the past 4 seasons, MoneyMay did a pretty good job of it though.
The idea that Nani has yet to prove himself at the club is laughable.
The idea that Nani has yet to prove himself at the club is laughable.
Nani is staying, Rooney is staying. Let's sign Thiago and let the season begin!
So too is this idea he's some brilliant consistent winger who can't get a regular place in the team and despite being out of contract soon is whipping up not very much serious interest.
Given the criteria - CL experience, Portuguese international, top class, consistent (apparently) - top clubs should be around him like wasps at a picnic.
I don't get how you can factor everything in and still come to the same conclusion. If he was being courted by Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, Chelsea - as you'd expect anyone with such accolades to be. Instead if he's moving it's unlikely to be for more than about £8m and it's almost certainly not going to be to an elite club.
Given how people speak of him e.g top class, consistent, one of the best player in the squad, best winger in the country - how is this possible? You've seen how crazy transfer fees are and Nani soon out of contract clubs should be offering their virgin daughters to him to secure his signature. Yet none of this is happening. Instead he's struggling to get the team he plays for to agree to how much he believes his worth. What is it about him that the entire football world is missing?
And yet he turned down moving to Barcelona after his second season, when the general consensus was that he'd been poor
So is he staying
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If you'd never seen him play yet someone called up a radio station to say there's this player, brilliant, best winger in the division, wonderfully consistent but is struggling to get a new contract at his club and offers of around £6m were being thrown around for him - wouldn't the first thing you would do be question quite how good he was?
Obviously not. The first thing you'd wonder is how long is on his current contract
That's some absolutely fecking amazing logic right there.
I think that's harsh, tbh, though I agree with the premise, to a certain extent. From what we read in the papers, Nani is available for what seems to be a very reasonable price. If, as the media suggests, the sorts of clubs in for him are Anzhi and Spurs, rather than the likes of Barca, Real, Bayern, then it's hard to argue with the conclusion that he is being overrated by some people. But I'd also tend to think that if he was coming off a really good season, as he's capable of, those sorts of clubs would be having a look at him.
I feel I've done a big mistake in reviving this thread.
To be fair, he's making an absolutely valid point.
yeah coming off a poor season isn't helping in that respect. But contracts are usually aren't allowed to run until the final year unless over 30 so the decision not to remunerate him on more favourable terms (at least terms he wanted) was probably made last summer rather than this year.
Whether it's a valid point or not is fairly irrelevant seeing as he's going ridiculously overboard with what we regard Nani to be in his post in order to try and justify it.
When exactly was the last time anyone said anything along those lines?
I missed the signng of Lewandowski, Llorente and RvP's 30th birthday. Wonder if Moonpig do a 'belated' range
... what?
It was obvious I was talking about club policy of only offering 1 year contracts to players over a certain age. I felt that was fairly.....self-evident? It's the Manchester United forum and I'm speaking about the contract of a Manchester United player. I'm not sure what label you were missing.
Contracts usually don't get down to 1 year unless a player is over 30 in which case only 1 year extensions are offered, or the club want to sell them
...which is kind of funny as you've listed three players who were sold. Presumably to argue against the assertion Nani might be.
It wasn't made obvious at all.
Most accounts point to us offering him a new contract last year and for whatever reason, maybe him being too greedy, maybe the club not rating him high enough, nothing came of it.
You presume a lot of things in my posts for some reason.
Rvp was available last season and by the sounds of it only city were interested aside from us and we'd all say he's a top class striker, I agree it's somewhat damning that we've not heard of more interest from other clubs but it doesn't always work like that. Again with thiago the release clause is pretty much confirmed but we've only heard of ourselves and the odd mumerings of Bayern from what I can tell. Plus tbf there had been a link with juve I thought?
Having had an average /injury hit season doesn't help and maybe he is overrated but at the same time of the top teams there are few who need a winger/forward atm. Barca just signed Neymar, real have ronaldo/di maria, Bayern ribery, robben.
At the end of the day can only go off what we've seen and this season gone which was very stop start for him, in his earlier seasons his return was decent for someone getting used to a new country and in the two seasons before this he produced excellent numbers.
Having had an average /injury hit season doesn't help and maybe he is overrated but at the same time of the top teams there are few who need a winger/forward atm. Barca just signed Neymar, real have ronaldo/di maria, Bayern ribery, robben.
At the end of the day can only go off what we've seen and this season gone which was very stop start for him, in his earlier seasons his return was decent for someone getting used to a new country and in the two seasons before this he produced excellent numbers.
Could easily be his wage demands that also stop some other clubs being interested. If we aren't willing to pay them then it'll be no surprise that not too many other teams want to
I don't really presume. You say things with obvious intent and then when someone rephrases what you've said to argue against it you think alteration of words equals a complete misrepresentation of what you say.
Hence saying earlier that "Maybe Moyes will play him unlike Ferguson" somehow was completely different to saying "Ferguson didn't give him a chance" entirely on the basis that your post didn't contain the word 'chance' although the meaning and intent was clear.
If you're going to be retrospectively specific about what you meant it may be an idea to include these caveats at the time rather than wait until someone responds and then based on that make a decision on what you actually intended to say or, 'imply'.
I took "Maybe Moyes will play him unlike Ferguson" - to mean that Ferguson didn't give him a fair chance to play.
I don't see my interpretation of those words as unreasonable.
I took "Maybe Moyes will play him unlike Ferguson" - to mean that Ferguson didn't give him a fair chance to play.
I don't see my interpretation of those words as unreasonable.
Actually you put chance in quotation marks as if it was a direct quote from me, which it wasn't, I never used the word, not once, that's why it was so ridiculous that you jumped to the conclusion that that's what I meant.
Anyway, this is pointless. Think what you want.
What's undeniable is that Nani has had several runs of outstanding, truly world class, form over the last 5-6 seasons, marred by several runs of middling to poor form. Most of us would like to keep him on the roster, but not if doing so somehow were to preclude us from bringing in better winger. There may not be a better winger out there that's available at a reasonable cost. So what becomes of Nani's future as a United man, it appears, is largely up to Nani himself -- if the offer sheet before him, whatever it is, is still a pending offer.
Only in the Nani thread can news about a player of ours possibly signing a new contract be a bad thing.None of us would like to keep him on the roster.
I doubt he's any good at basketball or ice hockey.
I doubt he's any good at basketball or ice hockey.
Does this mean you think it's a good thing or as you didn't use the word 'good' would saying such be a gross misrepresentation of the point you're making?
At least I can admit when I've misread something. Let it go.
This is great news if he stays, it really made no sense to let him go in the first place.
Nani's got the ability to be a vey good player and has shown it on occassion. There's a reason why he's considered inconsistent and why Fergie wasn't desperate to get him tied down though. Hopefully Moyes can get the best out of him and he stays and puts in the required effort.
One thing's for sure. The lad's got a good nose for goals.
5.2mil would equate to 100k a month. Sounds fair for someone like Nani.
a week! it is not bad for a player who on form can be our best player, and doesn't fail to control simple balls when off-form despite being 'inconsistent'
Great news if this is true. Keep him and not-so-fat-anymore Rooney, sign Thiago and another midfielder who will serve as Carrick cover and let's win the treble.
Seriously, I would really love if Nani really stays here. Him on best form is better than any of our other wingers on best form, him on worst for is better than Valencia/Young on worse form. Keep the motherfecker and buy him a reserve nose. just in case something happens.
Seriously, I would really love if Nani really stays here. Him on best form is better than any of our other wingers on best form, him on worst for is better than Valencia/Young on worse form. Keep the motherfecker and buy him a reserve nose. just in case something happens.
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