Luis Nani | 2013/14 Performances

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A backup nose is of utmost importance, I agree. It's even more pressing than a backup Carrick.
 
I for one am happy that Nani is apparently staying. On his best form he's a world beater and even on his off days he's still better than most wingers in the PL. Would be madness to let him go on the cheap especially if he's not on the very top top bracket of wage earners.

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Nani seems to be staying, Rooney seems to be staying... the relief I'm feeling suggests I wasn't as completely confident about both as I claimed.

Now just add Thiago and a bench-Carrick and we're good to go.
 
a bench Carrick?

Not sure that's possible bro. I do think if we can get Thiago and keep everyone else we'll have plenty to cope with the domestic season. Surely some of the young guys will put their hand up this year.
 
sajeev said:
a week! it is not bad for a player who on form can be our best player, and doesn't fail to control simple balls when off-form despite being 'inconsistent'
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yeah a week obviously. Dunno why i put a month there.
 
I'd like to know what we offered him - the contract offer he declined, I mean? Was it significantly less than 100K per week?

According to the Russians his wage demands were absolutely unrealistic when they approached - surely he must've demanded much more than a "mere" hundred grand? Which again makes me wonder how far off his standard our contract offer really was? Is Nani very greedy/unrealistic - or did we offer the poor lad an insulting pittance? I'm a bit confused over this thing.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
I'd like to know what we offered him - the contract offer he declined, I mean? Was it significantly less than 100K per week?

According to the Russians his wage demands were absolutely unrealistic when they approached - surely he must've demanded much more than a "mere" hundred grand? Which again makes me wonder how far off his standard our contract offer really was? Is Nani very greedy/unrealistic - or did we offer the poor lad an insulting pittance? I'm a bit confused over this thing.
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He was offered what the club felt he was worth. Utd aren't in the business of letting players we want to keep go easy.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
I'd like to know what we offered him - the contract offer he declined, I mean? Was it significantly less than 100K per week?

According to the Russians his wage demands were absolutely unrealistic when they approached - surely he must've demanded much more than a "mere" hundred grand? Which again makes me wonder how far off his standard our contract offer really was? Is Nani very greedy/unrealistic - or did we offer the poor lad an insulting pittance? I'm a bit confused over this thing.
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I still think he never wanted to go near Zenit and he proposed significantly higher wages to them because of that.
 
acnumber9 said:
He was offered what the club felt he was worth. Utd aren't in the business of letting players we want to keep go easy.
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Quite. I'm curious about the numbers, though. If there's a fair chance he'll now sign an extension worth 100K per week, does this mean he has lowered his demands dramatically - or that we offered him far less than 100K to begin with? Not that it matters, I just find it somewhat puzzling.
 
Unrealistic can have two meanings.

Either unrealistic in terms of affordability or unrealistic in terms of their assessment on the value of the player. Not two mutually exclusive concepts but not necessarily the same either.
 
Cina said:
I still think he never wanted to go near Zenit and he proposed significantly higher wages to them because of that.
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Yes - that's a fairly widespread theory. I sort of buy it too. But if it's true it must've been a part of some strategy aimed at improving his contract with us, surely? If not, he could've just told the Russians it wasn't on, rather than playing what seems an unnecessarily complicated game.
 
I would be so happy if Nani sign a new contract I would melt down. Because of his contract situation and injuries he got little playing time last year, and had not much competition on the wings. What he did the last two season before that was amazing, but supporters have very short term memory.

If he signs, there will be a lot of poster telling us that they always believed in him etc in ten months time.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Yes - that's a fairly widespread theory. I sort of buy it too. But if it's true it must've been a part of some strategy aimed at improving his contract with us, surely? If not, he could've just told the Russians it wasn't on, rather than playing what seems an unnecessarily complicated game.
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Well it could've just been a case of "if they offer me enough, feck it, I'll go", which quite a lot of players have done in recent times.
 
Stickles said:
Unrealistic can have two meanings.

Either unrealistic in terms of affordability or unrealistic in terms of their assessment on the value of the player. Not two mutually exclusive concepts but not necessarily the same either.
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Yes, sure. What I meant, however, was "unrealistic" in terms of his own expectations. The club are willing to pay him XK per week. He demands YK per week. That demand is then either realistic or unrealistic.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Yes, sure. What I meant, however, was "unrealistic" in terms of his own expectations. The club are willing to pay him XK per week. He demands YK per week. That demand is then either realistic or unrealistic.
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You wonder what sort of wages he was asking for. I'm not his biggest fan but in today's market £120-£140k aren't 'unrealistic' wage demands, especially for a club with a few quit. I'd struggle to imagine they would be any higher than that. If so it just goes to show, in my opinion, how assessments of his worth must differ wildly. As seen on this thread, I guess.
 
Cina said:
Well it could've just been a case of "if they offer me enough, feck it, I'll go", which quite a lot of players have done in recent times.
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Yes, it could've been that, I suppose. Sad state of affairs, one must say: Doesn't really want to play for 'em but if they're mad enough to cough up he'll sign nevertheless. It's not like he's playing for his room and board to begin with. Ah, well. It's common enough, as you say.
 
Stickles said:
You wonder what sort of wages he was asking for. I'm not his biggest fan but in today's market £120-£140k aren't 'unrealistic' wage demands, especially for a club with a few quit. I'd struggle to imagine they would be any higher than that. If so it just goes to show, in my opinion, how assessments of his worth must differ wildly. As seen on this thread, I guess.
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There must have been a discrepancy, as they say, between the club's assessment and the player's - yes. I find myself wondering how big it was - that's what I'm curious about. Given that we were unable to come to an agreement I find it reasonable to assume the difference must've been quite significant.

Then again, other factors may have entered into it as well. If he wasn't sure about his future at the club, his status with regard to playing time and so forth - well, he may have been less inclined to be flexible, even though the gap in terms of money wasn't all that huge.
 
It's possible he didn't want to go so he just tried his luck. Knowing he was being unrealistic but just to test how far they'd go.
 
When Young is on 120k a month, Nani should be on more. It's not Like Young will ever be player of the year as Nani has, or keep us in several competitions nearly on his selfs in a season.
 
Giggsforever said:
When Young is on 120k a month, Nani should be on more. It's not Like Young will ever be player of the year as Nani has, or keep us in several competitions nearly on his selfs in a season.
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Yeah, but then we don't actually know what Young is on - do we? Nevermind, no point in going down that road again. I think most here would agree that based on talent and factual contributions Nani shouldn't be on anything less than Young.
 
Finally some good news, if of course the most recent details about Nani signing a contract extension are actually true. I would have been disappointed if he had left the club, especially considering the ridiculously low transfer fees that were being proposed by some in the media. Hopefully once he fully recovers from his injury setbacks, he will experience a fresh beginning next season under the guidance of a new manager willing to give him a run of games on a more consistent basis to help him rediscover his confidence. With any luck, this in turn could potentially motivate him to regain the kind of excellent form he used to regularly display in his performances within the January 2010 - November 2011 period.
 
Ekeke said:
You are talking nonsense. In that period he claimed a first team spot over a hard working and popular Antonio Valencia. In general his choice making isn't the best but "at the most crucial times" it's one of the best at the club. Thats how he's had more than one season of good productivity. You dont score and create goals by making poor choices at crucial times. In his first season he created a lot and would have been our main supply if Giggs didn't play so many games. Giggs finished slightly ahead having played twice as much. And then in that 18 months he was always scoring or assisting his team mates.

He has proven himself, he has claimed a first team place. Its nonsense to suggest otherwise as its historically incorrect.
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Did anyone teach you to talk like a normal person? Terrible post, Nonsense, yada yada yada.

Learn to talk like a human being and then quote my posts again. Otherwise, feel free to put me on ignore.
 
There seems to be this enormous contradiction going on. Without even getting into the argument of how a consistent, top class winger who has been described as one of the best around is attracting as much interest as a toothless pensioner on singles night. It's like there's this world exists separate from reality. Like a Nani version of a hall of mirrors with everything distorted and the reason why he's in the final year of his contract with little interest being shown elsewhere - is because he's just too good. I can't see any other explanation as every single criticism leveled towards him is completely dismissed.
 
Stickles said:
There seems to be this enormous contradiction going on. Without even getting into the argument of how a consistent, top class winger who has been described as one of the best around is attracting as much interest as a toothless pensioner on singles night. It's like there's this world exists separate from reality. Like a Nani version of a hall of mirrors with everything distorted and the reason why he's in the final year of his contract with little interest being shown elsewhere - is because he's just too good. I can't see any other explanation as every single criticism leveled towards him is completely dismissed.
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That could be because he's coming of a poor season. He has been consistently linked with the likes of Juventus and Real Madrid since he has signed for us which you are conveniently ignoring.
 
Shinjisan said:
Did anyone teach you to talk like a normal person? Terrible post, Nonsense, yada yada yada.

Learn to talk like a human being and then quote my posts again. Otherwise, feel free to put me on ignore.
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At least he's trying to argue his point, unlike you.
 
akash02 said:
That could be because he's coming of a poor season. He has been consistently linked with the likes of Juventus and Real Madrid since he has signed for us which you are conveniently ignoring.
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It's probably being ignored because occasional links in a newspaper mean feck all. If he's as coveted as you're suggesting they wouldn't let a bad season stop them from getting a bargain.
 
acnumber9 said:
It's probably being ignored because occasional links in a newspaper mean feck all. If he's as coveted as you're suggesting they wouldn't let a bad season stop them from getting a bargain.
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It wasn't occasional links. He was constantly linked to those clubs

And how do you know what clubs are in for him and what clubs aren't?
 
akash02 said:
That could be because he's coming of a poor season. He has been consistently linked with the likes of Juventus and Real Madrid since he has signed for us which you are conveniently ignoring.
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Constantly linked with Real Madrid?

Really? Since when?

If he was as good as some suggest he simply would not be in the position he is. Some say last year was a freak and up until then he's been one of our best players. Others say last year was just a culmination of years of failing to consistently fulfill his potential. If the former was right, why would Real Madrid be so put off by just one poor season? After all it happens to even the best players. If he's been so good for 5 of the 6 years surely the interest would still exist from these big clubs?

Rooney's had a poor season too by his standards. He's not being linked with Anzhi, Spurs or Galatasaray, last time i checked.

Again it's a parallel universe. Top player, consistent and for 5 of the 6 years one of the best players at the club - but he's had a poor season so nobody's really interested anymore. Would anyone seriously buy that?
 
Stickles said:
Again it's a parallel universe. Top player, consistent and for 5 of the 6 years one of the best players at the club - but he's had a poor season so nobody's really interested anymore. Would anyone seriously buy that?
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Has anyone shown interest in Rooney?
 
Stickles said:
Constantly linked with Real Madrid?

Really? Since when?

If he was as good as some suggest he simply would not be in the position he is. Some say last year was a freak and up until then he's been one of our best players. Others say last year was just a culmination of years of failing to consistently fulfill his potential. If the former was right, why would Real Madrid be so put off by just one poor season? After all it happens to even the best players. If he's been so good for 5 of the 6 years surely the interest would still exist from these big clubs?

Rooney's had a poor season too by his standards. He's not being linked with Anzhi, Spurs or Galatasaray, last time i checked.

Again it's a parallel universe. Top player, consistent and for 5 of the 6 years one of the best players at the club - but he's had a poor season so nobody's really interested anymore. Would anyone seriously buy that?
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No one wanted him before last season either. The only interest was from Zenit, who were eventually put off by his massive wage demands.
 
Stickles said:
Rooney's constantly been linked to Europe's top clubs.

Nani's had £6m bid from Galatasaray.
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Who has he been linked to this Summer?

Nani's also been linked with Spurs and Arsenal, funnily enough, so has Rooney.

If Valencia was put up for sale right now, would the top clubs be gunning for him like they apparently were after last season? Doubtful.
 
Cina said:
Who has he been linked to this Summer?

Nani's also been linked with Spurs and Arsenal, funnily enough, so has Rooney.

If Valencia was put up for sale right now, would the top clubs be gunning for him like they apparently were after last season? Doubtful.
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I'm not sure if you're being deliberately obstructionist or not. Because the links of the clubs Rooney's been linked with are easily obtainable and searchable.

I suspect if I named them however you'll somehow claim you meant something entirely different based on little more than the substitution of a verb so I'm not entirely sure I'll bother.
 
akash02 said:
As recently as last season, and quite a lot before that as well. Same with Juventus. Google is your friend



And you know that how?
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How do we know anyone's interested in or rates Ronaldo, Messi, Neymar and Thiago. Aside from their current clubs the rest of the footballing world might think they're shit. Your 'if you haven't got quotes we can't say it's true' insinuation could equally apply and be equally as logical.
 
Shinjisan said:
How do you know anything?
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We don't know unless you trust everything that comes out of the media so stop putting random reports out as facts in order to prove your point.

Stickles said:
How do we know anyone's interested in or rates Ronaldo, Messi, Neymar and Thiago. Aside from their current clubs the rest of the footballing world might think they're shit. Your 'if you haven't got quotes we can't say it's true' insinuation could equally apply and be equally as logical.
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What the feck are you talking about?

My point is no one knows who's interested in Nani and who isn't. He has been linked to the biggest clubs in the past, which by your logic suggests he is a very good player
 
Either way the point is being missed entirely from people who seem to throw up any obstructional argument along the lines of 'prove Jesus doesn't exist then' to somehow get away from the point that there's this top-class consistent winger who's a fully fledged international and one of the best players in his position in one of the most competitive and lucrative leagues in the world of football - whose own club doesn't value him high enough to agree terms on a new contract.

That's HUGE news isn't it? Never mind all this "how can you prove he's been linked to anyone or not?" nonsense. Why is the football world not gawping at the idiocy of our club? Why isn't Nani the most hottest 'cheap' (if not, soon to be 'free') agent in football? Why aren't Bayern swooping or why haven't Barcelona been linked?

I'll give you a clue, it's not because someone cannot prove he hasn't not ever been linked with Real Madrid and it also isn't because the above superlatives are true.
 
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