he hasn't had many chances in the last year, did I mention his overall time at the club?
P.S: Where did I used the word "chance"?
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he hasn't had many chances in the last year, did I mention his overall time at the club?
P.S: Where did I used the word "chance"?
Well it was strongly alluded to here
If you didn't mean to suggest Fergie never gave him a chance by alluding to the fact Moys "might actually....play him" then I've no idea what you meant
Worst news of the summer, if true.
Another year of waiting for him to realize the "potential" he hasn't fulfilled in 6 seasons. Terrific!
This time, at almost 27, I am certain it's going to happen for him. Same with Anderson.
Believe!
Another year of waiting for him to realize the "potential" he hasn't fulfilled in 6 seasons. Terrific!
This time, at almost 27, I am certain it's going to happen for him. Same with Anderson.
Believe!
Ok, but where did I say chance? Or go on about his six seasons here?
Worst news of the summer, if true.
Another year of waiting for him to realize the "potential" he hasn't fulfilled in 6 seasons. Terrific!
This time, at almost 27, I am certain it's going to happen for him. Same with Anderson.
Believe!
Worst post of the summer
Hope the news story is true and that we are discussing a new contract with him. Give him a decent run in the side and I think there is some very sexy football to be seen between him, Kagawa and RVP.
Its already proven nonsense because you are conveniently forgetting 18 months of him being as good as any of our attacking options
Because 'good' at this level is hardly a rare commodity. Whether he's had patches of greatness or patches of terrible inconsistency is irrelevant. He's nearly 27, been at the club six years and even with less competition for his position(s) than he will have next season (Young, Zaha, Valencia, Welbeck - possibly Kagawa) he's been someone who's largely drifted in and out of the side and drifted in and out of importance. At times in his career at the club he's been a very important player for us. But most of the time - he hasn't.
Individual talents aside if we lose Nani it's not going to have that big a consequence for us. If he was someone who for the last two or three years was an important 'first name on the team sheet' player then perhaps it would but he's more 'numbers on the bench' than 'first name on the team sheet' these days whether you think he's brilliant, good, average or awful. We're not going to be losing someone - if he goes - that has been central to anything except for perhaps that one season.
Didn't you say yourself that he's played an average of 39 games for us a season apart from last season? That's an awful lot of game time for a player who hasn't been central to anything for us.
The players you've listed above are hardly above the level of good either, are they? I'd go so far as to say Young is very average and Valencia had a fecking god awful season last year so who knows what he'll bring us now. Zaha is unproven and could very well go back on loan based on Moyes latest comments. I also believe under Moyes that Kagawa will play more centrally. There's plenty of room for Nani in the team and if Moyes does offer him a good contract he obviously sees it that way too.
Also, at least I had a common courtesy to admit when I misread something you said, seems you can't do the same around the "chance"
Worst news of the summer, if true.
Another year of waiting for him to realize the "potential" he hasn't fulfilled in 6 seasons. Terrific!
This time, at almost 27, I am certain it's going to happen for him. Same with Anderson.
Believe!
What a terrible post
Fine saying "maybe Moyes will play him unlike Fergie" ...is completely different to saying "Fergie didn't give him a chance".
I don't know where anyone would get the impression the two were even vaguely similar
I don't know where anyone would get the impression the two were even vaguely similar
I think because we won the title last season some are soewhat overrating the squad. The first half of the season we conceeded goals for fun and won matches on the back of our attacking players (mainly Van Persie) saving the team after Vidic came back the defence improved and we stopped conceeding goals. But if you look at our performances how many of the 38 where truly comfortable and impressive 10-15. The second half of the season we struggled to control games once we took the lead and struggled to create chances. The control of games is blamed largely on the lack of quality beside Carrick but for a team that has always relied on wing play the contribution from out there was dire. Nani can improve that it is quite relevant that he was injured last season he has proven in the last 2 years that when he is a fit he is one of the best players in the team and has a positive contribution. Imo if another manager not Fergie had the team last season we would not have won the league and I for one would not feel comfortable going into a new season with Valencia, Young and Zaha as our wingers they are not good enough.
I remember that period pretty well. I am not denying that he has shown signs of his "potential". Though, it's a pretty big indictment that even after six years there are still huge question marks over him. He has never been able to establish a regular first team spot for himself. His decision making fails him at the most crucial times. Nani is undependable and that is why has been replaced by Valencia, whenever the later is fit.
I would love to proven wrong but I doubt it is going to happen for him. He is what he is, an inconsistent player with a low football IQ, who is going to shine in spurts.
Just to understand the argument:
He's not inconsistent - he had a good 18 months
Have I got that right?
He's not inconsistent - he had a good 18 months
Have I got that right?
This is a great news as far as I'm concerned
Last season he was not used as much as he could have been when we where struggling even when he played against Arsenal he showed more quality than Valencia who has been in the team the whole season. Nani should have appeared more this season but it is telling that he started against Madrid. Games like the F.A cup against Chelsea do not help his case though.
What is the news??
His failed decision making that led him to the top of the assist chart in the only season where he was first choice on the right. low football iq
His failed decision making that led him to the top of the assist chart in the only season where he was first choice on the right. low football iq
I wasn't talking about you.
He has had an injury plagued year hard to find consistency in that scenario so most would not count it for a player who played only 17 games this year for two years before that he was one of the best players in the league the consistency thing is overstated.
p.s Fans need to take a look at our options outwide before wanting to cast away a player of Nani's PROVEN capabilities.
If inconsistent isn't playing well for just "18 months" out of six years - then how else is it defined exactly?
Maybe arguing against those who claim he's inconsistent it might be an idea to not make his inconsistency so obvious?
No, most who argue the inconsistency theory talk about far more than the last 18 months. For example, he has the most assists in the PL of any player since 2009.
Read back if you want, it's been done to death.
The former implies that Fergie hasn't been giving him game time, which he didn't do (enough) last season. The latter implies Fergie has never given him a chance at the club, so yeah, big difference.
Great news if true! Nani is one of our best technical players, and it would be silly to let him go on the cheap.
Let's look at six years and break it up like this
1-3: Young played establishing himself in a new league showing flashes of brilliance and potential. Deals with injuries also.
3: Starts to show real maturity has his 'breakout' game against Arsenal shows he can be relied on.
4-5: Establishes himself as a key part of the squad and shows he is one of the best winger in the league/Europe
6: Struggles with injury year round plays and still shows flashes of his quality
He is 26 he if he comes into the season healthy we have one of Europe's best winger a year removed from consistent match winning form. The inconsistency label is harsh.
1-3: Young played establishing himself in a new league showing flashes of brilliance and potential. Deals with injuries also.
3: Starts to show real maturity has his 'breakout' game against Arsenal shows he can be relied on.
4-5: Establishes himself as a key part of the squad and shows he is one of the best winger in the league/Europe
6: Struggles with injury year round plays and still shows flashes of his quality
He is 26 he if he comes into the season healthy we have one of Europe's best winger a year removed from consistent match winning form. The inconsistency label is harsh.
I'm really hoping that this is true. Nani being sold makes little sense to me, never mind being sold for as a cheap as it's being reported.
You are talking nonsense. In that period he claimed a first team spot over a hard working and popular Antonio Valencia. In general his choice making isn't the best but "at the most crucial times" it's one of the best at the club. Thats how he's had more than one season of good productivity. You dont score and create goals by making poor choices at crucial times. In his first season he created a lot and would have been our main supply if Giggs didn't play so many games. Giggs finished slightly ahead having played twice as much. And then in that 18 months he was always scoring or assisting his team mates.
He has proven himself, he has claimed a first team place. Its nonsense to suggest otherwise as its historically incorrect.
The “inconsistency” thing is going to divide opinions. Same with Rooney. You can always ask how “inconsistent” a player who regularly contributes with goals and assists really is.
Then, on the other hand, I suspect those who emphasize Nani’s inconsistency look more at what he does on the pitch in the course of a single match - and less at his total contribution (his assists, mainly). He does have a tendency to suddenly, and for no good reason, make a conspicuously foolish choice - and once you start to notice this you may be forgiven for concluding the lad has a “low football IQ”, as someone put it.
If Moyes wants to keep him and Nani wants to sign a new contract, I call this good news. Inconsistent or not, he’s one of our most talented players. And he’s still only 26.
Then, on the other hand, I suspect those who emphasize Nani’s inconsistency look more at what he does on the pitch in the course of a single match - and less at his total contribution (his assists, mainly). He does have a tendency to suddenly, and for no good reason, make a conspicuously foolish choice - and once you start to notice this you may be forgiven for concluding the lad has a “low football IQ”, as someone put it.
If Moyes wants to keep him and Nani wants to sign a new contract, I call this good news. Inconsistent or not, he’s one of our most talented players. And he’s still only 26.
Moyes will earn more of my respect if he gets Nani to stay. He really has been working hard.
Nani should stay. Looking from his perspective, the options he has make it a no brainer for him not to leave.
Will be delighted if he stays. He is 1 of my favourite players on form and I think he deserves to stay.
Nani negotiating to renew at Manchester United on €5.2m a year, Tottenham offered just €2.7m
Will he stay or will he go, that's the question concerning Luis Nani at the moment.
The Portuguese winger has just one year remaining on his current contract and although he's been offered an extension previously, his future is still yet to be decided.
The 26 year old has been linked to a number of different clubs in the last 12 months, and all the usual suspects have been mentioned. One of the latest rumours comes from Corriere Dello Sport (covered here) in Italy who reported that both Spurs and Roma were in battle to sign him with a transfer fee said to be around €15m.
Today Mundo Deportivo (see left) have picked up reports in France that Real Madrid and specifically their new manager Carlo Ancelotti are interested in Nani, and think they could get him for a low fee but acknowledge that a move wouldn't be straightforward.
Nani was close to joining Zenit St Petersburg last summer but the Russian club pulled out after being shocked at the player's wage demands. Zenit director general Maxim Mitrofanov said at the time, quoted by ESPN, that a deal could not be reached due to Nani's unacceptable requests.
Mitrofanov said "If Hulk had demanded €8 million to €10 million a year, these conditions would have been unacceptable for Zenit. The transfer of Nani failed mostly due to this reason, as he asked for an enormous salary."
Yet in February of this year the then current Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson played down talk of Nani's rumoured departure and was quoted by The Guardian as saying ''We definitely want to keep him, he's one of the best match winners in the game''. It will be interesting to see if his new boss David Moyes feels the same and according to reports in Portugal, also from today, he does.
Record say that Nani is currently negotiating a deal to remain at Old Trafford which would see him paid €5.2m a year, they also claim the player would get a 'big fat signing bonus'. Record appear to get a lot of stories regarding clients of Portuguese super-agent Jorge Mendes, as the continual Garay claims have shown, so they are likely to have some inside information on this. Whether that is Mendes trying to get his client into the news or genuine information about a renewal is down to the reader to decide.
The Portuguese newspaper also claim that Nani has turned down an approach from Tottenham because they were only willing to pay him €2.7m a year, and they also cover the interest from Anzhi Makhachkala, Roma and Galasatary.
There is no doubt that Nani is a very talented and exciting player but although at times of his Manchester United career he has been superb, his lack of consistency and unfilled potential has very much split opinion of him. Manchester United won't want him to run down his contract and leave for nothing next summer yet it looks unlikely that they will give in to his original reported wage demands either, so both might have to make a compromise if Nani is to remain at the club for the next few years.
The new offer, if Record are correct, sounds fair and could signal a fresh start for Nani under David Moyes.
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Will he stay or will he go, that's the question concerning Luis Nani at the moment.
The Portuguese winger has just one year remaining on his current contract and although he's been offered an extension previously, his future is still yet to be decided.
The 26 year old has been linked to a number of different clubs in the last 12 months, and all the usual suspects have been mentioned. One of the latest rumours comes from Corriere Dello Sport (covered here) in Italy who reported that both Spurs and Roma were in battle to sign him with a transfer fee said to be around €15m.
Today Mundo Deportivo (see left) have picked up reports in France that Real Madrid and specifically their new manager Carlo Ancelotti are interested in Nani, and think they could get him for a low fee but acknowledge that a move wouldn't be straightforward. Nani was close to joining Zenit St Petersburg last summer but the Russian club pulled out after being shocked at the player's wage demands. Zenit director general Maxim Mitrofanov said at the time, quoted by ESPN, that a deal could not be reached due to Nani's unacceptable requests.
Mitrofanov said "If Hulk had demanded €8 million to €10 million a year, these conditions would have been unacceptable for Zenit. The transfer of Nani failed mostly due to this reason, as he asked for an enormous salary."
Yet in February of this year the then current Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson played down talk of Nani's rumoured departure and was quoted by The Guardian as saying ''We definitely want to keep him, he's one of the best match winners in the game''. It will be interesting to see if his new boss David Moyes feels the same and according to reports in Portugal, also from today, he does.
Record say that Nani is currently negotiating a deal to remain at Old Trafford which would see him paid €5.2m a year, they also claim the player would get a 'big fat signing bonus'. Record appear to get a lot of stories regarding clients of Portuguese super-agent Jorge Mendes, as the continual Garay claims have shown, so they are likely to have some inside information on this. Whether that is Mendes trying to get his client into the news or genuine information about a renewal is down to the reader to decide.
The Portuguese newspaper also claim that Nani has turned down an approach from Tottenham because they were only willing to pay him €2.7m a year, and they also cover the interest from Anzhi Makhachkala, Roma and Galasatary.
There is no doubt that Nani is a very talented and exciting player but although at times of his Manchester United career he has been superb, his lack of consistency and unfilled potential has very much split opinion of him. Manchester United won't want him to run down his contract and leave for nothing next summer yet it looks unlikely that they will give in to his original reported wage demands either, so both might have to make a compromise if Nani is to remain at the club for the next few years.
The new offer, if Record are correct, sounds fair and could signal a fresh start for Nani under David Moyes.
Like Rooney, I'm certainly not against him leaving but if he stays and plays at the top of his game we benefit more than anything.
If he stays, I know I'll be doing my OT ritual though...predicting he hits every corner into the first man, and being correct.
If he stays, I know I'll be doing my OT ritual though...predicting he hits every corner into the first man, and being correct.
Good news if true.
I like the thread title
To be fair to Nani, he had every right to bitch and moan about a notoriously shit ref call by the Turkish cnut -- and he acquitted himself extremely well in light of one of the worst calls I have ever seen in a football match of that magnitude.
But you're not seriously suggesting that he's not a serial winger about referee calls, are you?
Agreed. There are few things we fans "know for certain" -- but what we do know at this point is that Nani wants more than United has offered.
I have to believe United offered Nani a contract that is at parity with Young. It's reasonable to believe, but none of us have any proof of this, that Nani has been holding out for a more generous contract. I recall seeing numbers close to 160/week, but I don't know that for a fact.
I'd like to see Nani remain a United man UNLESS there's any chance of a Bale or Ronaldo upgrade, which at this point seems to be a remote possibility. But if United were to capitulate to his alleged 160/week demand I would hope we'd see an end to his inconsistent form. And so that no one accuses me of dumping on Nani, I'd like to see an end to Rooney's inconsistent form as well. These are two truly world class footballers who on their day can dominate a football match against the top opponents on the planet. It's frustrating to no end to see their talent take a vacation for a weeks or even months at a time.
Nani didn't play much this last season, so I can't give you an exact date. Sorry.
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