But sure what do you expect Young to do with some 10 minutes here, 20 minutes there off the bench appearances? He needs a run of full games. Why does that count as a chance for Young but nothing counts as a chance for Nani unless he plays every game in a row?
Luis Nani | 2013/14 Performances
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Nani has immense skill. Would not be surprised if he goes to Italy and becomes a star. Not many players in the world can make top defenders look foolish like Nani can.
That display against Bayern at OT in 2010 will always be remembered by me.
That display against Bayern at OT in 2010 will always be remembered by me.
Because Nani has proved in the past that after few games under his belt he usually ends up in good form, and that he is usually poor in first game our two he gets a chance(he even showed that this season). With Young, his form is usually shit whenever we play him, but he can be good at random times. He comes in after few months of being injured and plays good game against City even though it's his first after the injury but give him run of few easy games and he plays like shit. Next time against City he plays like garbage, but in next easy game he isn't bad. Totally random.
Plus he has showed nothing to suggest he should be our first choice winger, or for any other top team. He has proved many times that he isn't good enough for Manchester United(including this season too), and I really don't see any reason for playing him at all when our other options are fit. Same goes with Valencia for me. I haven't seen player who got more chances and who disappointed more than Valencia(actually I have bigger problem with Valencia than Young because he is one of our most featured player in last two seasons and attacking wise he gave us nothing in those two seasons and he got so many chances). You just know with those two that they aren't good enough to be our first choice anymore, they have proved that, but with Nani there are still question marks if he can be good as he was. When he gets at least half of the game time Valencia gets and if he disappoints again I'll be first to admit that he isn't any better than Valencia or Young anymore and that is time to move on, but instead of ending up with 3 shit wingers why don't we actually try to give him a chance, what's there to lose? In worst case we get shit winger playing for us couple of games(big deal, we had that before anyway). Best case, we get good winger again and instead of having 3 shit wingers, we have 1 good winger and Young and Valencia as backups.
Even if you don't like Nani, I really can't see nothing bad in playing him ahead of Valencia and Young.
I think they've all been quite shit over the last two seasons but ability doesn't really have to do with what I asked. You said 132 minutes in CL is a chance for Young but 90 minutes is not a chance for Nani. Is 42 minutes that big of a difference? Take into account that 132 minutes is over 5 matches while Nani's is all in one. A common excuse for Nani and other favourites of they don't get their minutes in a run and not together. I'm asking why is one thing considered a chance for Young and the same thing not considered a chance for Nani? Nani maybe deserving more of a chance is irrelevant, a chance is a chance and the definition from some seems to be extremely different when they feel like it for whoever it is referring too.
It is the same as for Kagawa, Moyes apparently didn't know he existed and Young is considered a regular but in reality Kagawa has played more than Young.
If we sell him for £5m then surely giving him a five year deal was the height of incompetence? I had assumed that the purpose of the five year deal was so that we could charge a reasonable fee for him in summer but apparently we're now selling him for next to nothing after renewing his deal, no doubt complete with agent and signing on fee plus possibly a pay rise too.
I really don't understand how our club is run anymore, it's madness.
I really don't understand how our club is run anymore, it's madness.
He's not shown enough for me in 8 years being here to justify any faith. I'd rather move Young on but i'd keep Valencia over Nani if pushed. Time to buy quality in.
Of course it's a difference. Young featured in 5 out of 6 games, starting once and being shit/subbed off after 60 minutes, while Nani got his first start and his actually only appearance in our fifth game in CL, out of 6 games he could play. That means Young was getting chances to impress as a starter, and as a sub, but he failed every time, and Nani played once and played for 90 minutes(probably meaning Moyes was happy with him) and scored a goal, only to be dropped for the next CL game. But anyway, same as you count that Nani's around 100 minutes in 16 premierleague games should be counted as being given more chances than Young, I can count Young's 42 minutes in 6 games as being given nore chances than Nani too, it's simple really.
As for Kagawa, both he and Young played same number of minutes in premiership, even though Kagawa had lot of good performances, especially in the second half of the season, while Young had around two decent games. And that is fair to you?
Apparently LVG has blocked his sale:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-united-transfer-news-nani-3499432?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-united-transfer-news-nani-3499432?
interesting. glad he is already making his feelings known.
I like him already.
Prick. Van Gaal out
Much rather we gave Nani a pre-season to get fit for the new season and see if he can get his form back than bin him ahead of some others.
Still £10m shits all over the £4m we were speculating about
Good work Louis. Now kick Rooney out and you are a superstar.
Great news. RVP-Nani-Mata combination is getting closer to reality
Now all we need from Louis is to offload Young and Valencia and buy the right players. I'm happy to see counts with Nani.
Bad news for you - he wants us to keep ALL the wingers.
Alright, so both got chances.
You're missing my point, who deserves more minutes is irrelevant. 1463 minutes for Young gets countless posts about him on here asking why he is a regular but 1853 minutes for Kagawa results in claims that Moyes doesn't know he exists. Now who the player is, is irrelevant. How is 1463 minutes considered a regular but 1853 minutes means you don't exist? Of course Kagawa deserves to play more but you can't say he never gets a chance and then claim Young is a regular when he plays less. A chance is a chance. If 10 minutes is a chance for Young it is a chance for Kagawa, Nani or anyone. If 60 minutes is a chance for Young then you can't claim that 90 minutes isn't a chance for Kagawa. Which is consistently done on this forum.
So going back to Nani this incessant he never gets a chance because the safe option of Young is always preferred is simply wrong because they played a similar amount before Nani got injured with Nani actually playing a bit more.
Now stating Kagawa or Nani deserve to play more than Young is a perfectly legitimate opinion and one that I share. But the incessant clamouring of Kagawa and Nani (a few other favourites on here too) never getting a chance while Ashley Young is a regular is simply unfounded and untrue.
If I were Nani I would only stay if Rooney left.
He should really go.
Good man! He needs a proper run of games and someone to show confidence in him to see the real Nani back, we've really missed someone like him who can fashion a goal out of absolutely nothing, players like Kagawa and Mata are superb players but sometimes you need someone to create something all on their own. We really don't need to be looking to invest in attacking players right now, we have more than enough quality to work with.
You couldn't replace his ability for what we'll sell him for, I'd keep.
Well, I am quite sure many meant it in that way as I explained, not really minute wise, because the difference in quality between Kagawa and Young is big., and Young really doesn't deserve any when we have better options fit.
Btw I can't remember myself actually saying that Kagawa never gets a chance and Young plays all the time, I am just defending those who were saying it. I only said about Kagawa that Moyes forgot about him referring at start of the season when he got 45 minutes in 8 games.
So he's blocked the £10M move, what about the €5M move, is that still on?
So much bullshit in the media about Nani. They are basically hedging their bets so either way they can say "I told you so! You read it hear first!"
Yep, for sure there has been many times that I'd have played Kagawa more too.
No, you didn't say it. I just brought the connection because I had a similar argument in the Kagawa thread a bit back. Yeah Kagawa's playing did go a bit in cycles. I think it was after international duties he'd always sit out at least a match.
But yeah I've kind of lost most of my hope on Nani but if Van Gaal decides to keep him then I hope he gets him playing because he can be good.
Some Italian papers reporting that Juve are after him and Sanchez to play on either wing. If they achieve that Juve will have an incredible team.
Just finished watching the Portugal-Greece game.
Nani MOTM by quite some distance. He put in some very good crosses (his crossing was on point), made good runs, and almost scored. A performance in which he looked motivated, albeit it was a friendly. Though I'm not sure about his haircut...
Nani MOTM by quite some distance. He put in some very good crosses (his crossing was on point), made good runs, and almost scored. A performance in which he looked motivated, albeit it was a friendly. Though I'm not sure about his haircut...
Don't know why but this made me laugh.Don't know if it is considered in bad taste to reply to one's own post. so if it is forgive me but it seems like history repeating. He may have not been the captain this time but he really does play better when a lot of the play goes through him. If Ronaldo could give up some of the ball time to nani I think Portugal would be more potent. It would also ease up some of the marking on Ronaldo.
Just finished watching the Portugal-Greece game.
Nani MOTM by quite some distance. He put in some very good crosses (his crossing was on point), made good runs, and almost scored. A performance in which he looked motivated, albeit it was a friendly. Though I'm not sure about his haircut...
Is it just me or does he look a bit porky there? I wonder if he has been hanging out with Ando again
So anybody know what's happening with Nani? Rumors linking him to Juventus/Inter have been quiet for a few weeks now.
Hope he stays. I am a huge fan.
So do I, but part of me thinks it's best he moves on for his own sake.
It depends on how he is used eg RVP, Mata and Nani. Also keep Rooney far from Nani. They are like oil and water
Rooney's just self obsessed, I never see Nani or any other player chuck a tantrum when Rooney bottles a pass or goes for personal glory, but when Nani in particular does it he goes mental.
Are you my long lost twin brother?? I think subconciously Rooney remembers playing second fiddle to Ronaldo everytime he sees Nani. Rooney seems to show more vitriol towards Nani than any other player.
Must be because I think the same thing all the time.
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