Luis Nani | 2013/14 Performances

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Ekeke said:
Actually we clearly do want that, since we gave him a new contract then barely played him
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Thats what was so odd about the extension, i can only think that Moyes probably wanted him to stay to see what he was like in training and after he saw enough of him decided "na hes no Pienaar thats for sure". If that was the case offering him a 5 year deal on that ground was just stupid, especially when Juve were really interested in him last summer (they must have been talking a lot as we only heard about him signing a new contract from their president!).

I really feel for Nani, for whatever reason managers have elected to go with safer options in the form of Valencia and Young over him when i rate Nani higher than either of those two. My guess is if Nani was Ronaldo good we would have set the team to accommodate him like we did with Ronaldo. Since hes not its best keeping players who are will go a job for us...
 
OneUnited24 said:
Thats what was so odd about the extension, i can only think that Moyes probably wanted him to stay to see what he was like in training and after he saw enough of him decided "na hes no Pienaar thats for sure". If that was the case offering him a 5 year deal on that ground was just stupid, especially when Juve were really interested in him last summer (they must have been talking a lot as we only heard about him signing a new contract from their president!).

I really feel for Nani, for whatever reason managers have elected to go with safer options in the form of Valencia and Young over him when i rate Nani higher than either of those two. My guess is if Nani was Ronaldo good we would have set the team to accommodate him like we did with Ronaldo. Since hes not its best keeping players who are will go a job for us...
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I've just posted above that he played about twice as much as Young before his injury though. He can't very well play while injured can he?
 
Would someone please explain how Nami fits in other than a plan B sub or against a team packing the box? I must be missing something.

For me, he rarely links up well in open play and tries to do too much with the ball himself instead of interplay and interchange. I don't think he makes the team that much better. Sure, he's skilled, and highlights show that. Otherwise, he's just too hot/cold and wasteful.
 
I don't remember United ever getting a good enough price for a player. Even Ronaldo was a better purchase than sale. Don't expect anything different with Nani.
 
limerickcitykid said:
I've just posted above that he played about twice as much as Young before his injury though. He can't very well play while injured can he?
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Call me stupid but i think its deeper than a injury, Moyes stuck with Valencia and Young for a lot of the early part of the season then when results turned sour he started to go with Nani. Then this "hamstring injury" happened and he was out for a few months - how bad a hamstring does he have?!
 
OneUnited24 said:
Call me stupid but i think its deeper than a injury, Moyes stuck with Valencia and Young for a lot of the early part of the season then when results turned sour he started to go with Nani. Then this "hamstring injury" happened and he was out for a few months - how bad a hamstring does he have?!
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A really bad one. He was out for most of last season with a hamstring injury too. In the first 15 matches he played twice as much as Young. Moyes didn't just make up a hamstring injury so he could play Young more. Nani also missed the first two matches of the season with an injury too.
 
limerickcitykid said:
A really bad one. He was out for most of last season with a hamstring injury too. In the first 15 matches he played twice as much as Young. Moyes didn't just make up a hamstring injury so he could play Young more. Nani also missed the first two matches of the season with an injury too.
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Are you speaking in terms of minutes? He made roughly the same appearances IIRC, whether or not Young was mostly off the bench or not I'd have to check.
 
Plugsy said:
Nani hasn't been without chance here. He's played enough games. It just hasn't worked out for him. Very talented player who has never been able to escape the curse of the brain-fart. The fact he's defensively as useless as a wet sock hasn't helped as I think Valencia and to a lesser extent Young are more trusted to at least do a job defensively or at the very, very least - hold the line well. If Nani isn't brilliant he's often playing a stinker.
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I've never understood this hyperbole. Did he have a stinker yesterday? Worse that the other players on the field?

Seems like Fletcher can give up goals, Carrick can give up goals, Young can give the ball away with 50% of his touches, Chicharito can not touch the ball and Mata can just be Mata, and yet the blame for not scoring against a team parking the bus for 50 minutes will go to Nani. Weirdest thing ever.

Anyway, i assume Nani may have finally gotten the hint that there's no future for him at Utd. Hope so anyway.
 
steffyr2 said:
I've never understood this hyperbole. Did he have a stinker yesterday? Worse that the other players on the field?

Seems like Fletcher can give up goals, Carrick can give up goals, Young can give the ball away with 50% of his touches, Chicharito can not touch the ball and Mata can just be Mata, and yet the blame for not scoring against a team parking the bus for 50 minutes will go to Nani. Weirdest thing ever.

Anyway, i assume Nani may have finally gotten the hint that there's no future for him at Utd. Hope so anyway.
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Yeah I didn't notice anyone criticising any other member of the squad for the performance on Saturday at all :rolleyes:

It's telling how the frequently groped for defence of Nani always seems to be "so what, others played crap too"
 
Plugsy said:
Yeah I didn't notice anyone criticising any other member of the squad for the performance on Saturday at all :rolleyes:
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There are people who want to replace the entire team; seems unlikely to happen imo. Nani is just one of the players with the biggest upside, unless the hamstring problem really is limiting him that much.
Which would be a shame for such a talent...but it isn't like he isn't a great player, or that he doesn't try, or doesn't defend.

He should go, because apparently he isn't tough enough for the English fans.
 
Im a big Nani fan, with the right coaching, system and confidence brought about by the right manager he could be a worldie (i know we have been saying this for years)
 
We are in a difficult situation with him. Clearly plenty of questions regarding him as three managers in a row has decided not to consistently trust him with games.

On the other hand fast dribbling wingers is one of the consistent things with van Gaal's philosophies, so who could do it better than him? He is by far the best dribbling winger, even in Europe we have to look at huge transfers to replace him with someone else with equal quality in 1 vs 1's.

We'd sell Nani for 5 millions and replacing him purchasing the likes of Draxler who would go for near 40 millions if the 35 mill rejected bid is true. There is a huge shortage of fast, explosive and dribbling wide wingers.

He is on quite heavy wages compared to what the German players are getting these days, so there is no doubt freeing up wages is great. But personally I would keep him, use the money we would spend on replacing him assuring the top quality in the other positions we strengthen.
 
If that truly is the fee then that is pretty ridiculous. Much rather give young away for free than sell Nani for 5mil. He's been totally out of form for two seasons, but then so have all our wingers. Yet we know he actually has ability and is able to use it.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
€5 million is a feckin' steal, he's worth at least twice that. Ridiculous.
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This.

IMO, no way he's worth less than 10M, but then we only tend to look at his potential, not at whether he fulfilled it (which he wasn't even close to fulfilling as we all know). No one doubted his ability, but his consistency, fitness and application made him a subject of criticism always. Opposition fans not rating him didn't surprise me in the least, so this alleged 5M tag, despite sounding ridiculously unfair doesn't surprise me either.

Now, with that in mind, how much do people on here think we would get for Young? Just peanuts anyone? :nervous:
 
Paolo Di Canio said:
Im a big Nani fan, with the right coaching, system and confidence brought about by the right manager he could be a worldie (i know we have been saying this for years)
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He'll never become a worldie and never was one, but I do believe that he could reach his 11/12 form again with the right coaching and an injury free season. His confidence really does look absolutely shot though, I really do worry for him.
 
thejtrain said:
This.

IMO, no way he's worth less than 10M, but then we only tend to look at his potential, not at whether he fulfilled it (which he wasn't even close to fulfilling as we all know). No one doubted his ability, but his consistency, fitness and application made him a subject of criticism always. Opposition fans not rating him didn't surprise me in the least, so this alleged 5M tag, despite sounding ridiculously unfair doesn't surprise me either.

Now, with that in mind, how much do people on here think we would get for Young? Just peanuts anyone? :nervous:
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Young will be going on a loan only, with United paying around half or more of the actual wages. No team who would want Young, will be able to pay 140.000 a week, even half, 70.000 is an unrealistic stretch.

A transfer would only happen if Young accepts to go down in salaries, otherwise it is completely ruled out as no team can afford his wages except clubs who would never play him.

Valencia is in a similar scenario albeit having lower wages apparently, looking very unlikely that we could get rid of him unless he accepts lower wages for another club.

So most likely we will have Young and Valencia here next year as well. Nani also has high wages for what he has performed the last two seasons, we would need some PSG/Monaco type of club to find a deal for him unless he also cuts wages.
 
Annahnomoss said:
A transfer would only happen if Young accepts to go down in salaries, otherwise it is completely ruled out as no team can afford his wages except clubs who would never play him.
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You think he has a choice on this one? It's highly unlikely for him to get games under the new manager that isn't going to go down the Fergie route, ala van Gaal.

I wouldn't be surprised if he rejoined Villa, I'm sure they'd welcome him if he were to. Basically any PL club with significant lowering of wages.
 
thejtrain said:
You think he has a choice on this one? It's highly unlikely for him to get games under the new manager that isn't going to go down the Fergie route, ala van Gaal.

I wouldn't be surprised if he rejoined Villa, I'm sure they'd welcome him if he were to. Basically any PL club with significant lowering of wages.
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Of course he has a choice, he has constantly got enough game-time for us over the years so probably he knows he is a very likable character in the coaches eyes. There is nothing stopping him from refusing to go down in wages, that is the rule in transfers. Even if you match a bid on them, you have to get the player to agree to the new wages - usually a big issue and plenty of transfers has ended due to not agreeing on wages.

Not sure he would like to lose the amount of money he would be losing, as a young super-star for them he was on roughly 60.000 a week which is a massive step down. There is no way they are paying 60.000 again though, as back then he was one of the best wingers in the league, proven in Aston Villa over 5 years as their star player.

Wages has of course gone up since, but can't see it be such a dramatic change as his decline is way more extreme than inflation.
 
steffyr2 said:
Better for him anyway. I don't know if Utd has the money to replace players of his quality on top of all the other players they need next year.

But he's never given a chance these days....shame.
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He's been given chances. Like Saturday and been awful. He just doesn't give a feck.
 
Annahnomoss said:
Wages has of course gone up since, but can't see it be such a dramatic change as his decline is way more extreme than inflation.
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That I definitely agree with :)

He's got 2 years left on his contract I see, and yep, you could be right - it's not a given that he'd willing to take a paycut, but for his and our sakes I hope he does! Despite being a very likeable guy off the field, he's hardly justified his transfer fee or his wages. Almost every fan interview rips into the guy's performances and he could soon become the subject of serious abuse like Tom and Gibson did, which I hate to see any United player going through.
 
thejtrain said:
That I definitely agree with :)

He's got 2 years left on his contract I see, and yep, you could be right - it's not a given that he'd willing to take a paycut, but for his and our sakes I hope he does! Despite being a very likeable guy off the field, he's hardly justified his transfer fee or his wages. Almost every fan interview rips into the guy's performances and he could soon become the subject of serious abuse like Tom and Gibson did, which I hate to see any United player going through.
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I'd love for Valencia and Young to go even if it is for free. Just seems like a difficult task.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
He was awful. Even when he was playing, Young on the right was our most productive way forward.
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Do tell. What did Young produce?

acnumber9 said:
Did you watch the game? He was awful. In what way wasn't he?
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Come on. Use a 2nd word or phrase.....maybe say he was --
slow
unimaginative
passed to the other team
scored for the other team
got redcarded out of the game
couldn't stop the ball
couldn't pass the ball

Anyway -- why did you think he was awful? (I did watch the game.)
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
He was awful. Even when he was playing, Young on the right was our most productive way forward.
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Define "productive", please. See for example I tend to think that if Young crouched on the touchline for the whole 90, we might've been better off; at least going forward. Every ball that went to him ended a chance of a good attack. 1 successful cross out of 16 tells the whole story.
 
I'd be surprised if we'd agreed to sell him just before a new manager arrives. How many times has he been 'sold' now according to the press?

I've kind of given up hope on him coming good again, but I'd much rather we kept him than Young if it were a choice between the two.
 
Tarrou said:
I'd be surprised if we'd agreed to sell him just before a new manager arrives. How many times has he been 'sold' now according to the press?

I've kind of given up hope on him coming good again, but I'd much rather we kept him than Young if it were a choice between the two.
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I think they'll both be shipped out. If it is van Gaal, I believe he's already been consulted on the comings and goings.
 
Loon said:
I think they'll both be shipped out. If it is van Gaal, I believe he's already been consulted on the comings and goings.
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Yeah, maybe, but he might want a look at them before doing anything.

It will be quite hard to shift Young with the wages he's on. Nani will be much easier to offload. My guess is Nani will leave and we'll be stuck with Young until his contract expires, or maybe loan him out to off-set his wages.
 
100 said:
Are you speaking in terms of minutes? He made roughly the same appearances IIRC, whether or not Young was mostly off the bench or not I'd have to check.
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Yes I posted on the last page the number of minutes winger played in the first 15 league matches. In terms of appearances Nani made 8 with 3 of them off the bench and Young made 5 with 2 of them off the bench.
 
limerickcitykid said:
He got injured. He was getting a decent amount of time and looked in Moyes' plans.
Before he got injured here are the playing times for our wingers in the league (according to transfermarkt):
Nani - 426 minutes
Young - 211
Welbeck - 551 (some centrally though)
Kagawa - 397 (some central too)
Adnan - 549
Valencia - 787 (some at RB)

So his playing time was about average. I don't think you can classify that as barely.
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Typical that this doesn't get replied too. Some people are still holding on the fact that he didn't get any chances, and Young was preferred over him.
 
What's there to respond, only Young and Kagawa from "wingers" had less minutes than him, and Kagawa who Moyes forgot he exists almost spend same time on the pitch as Nani. Valencia who was awfull pretty much every time he played in that period played twice as many minutes. What exactly do you expect people to respond to? That he had more minutes on the pitch than Young? Big deal.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Nothing great. But he he still was better than Nani. The wing which we were active on was the one with Young. Neither are good, but in last game comparing these 2 players, Young comes ahead!
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We always play down the right, that is just the way things are and what is stuck in our players heads is that they have to play the ball down the right. If nani was out there the same thing would happen.
 
Amar__ said:
What's there to respond, only Young and Kagawa from "wingers" had less minutes than him, and Kagawa who Moyes forgot he exists almost spend same time on the pitch as Nani. Valencia who was awfull pretty much every time he played in that period played twice as many minutes. What exactly do you expect people to respond to? That he had more minutes on the pitch than Young? Big deal.
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People on the Caf have moaned about Moyes giving Young time and Nani not enough time loads of time here. These stats prove that it wasn't true.
 
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KM said:
People on the Caf have moaned about Moyes giving Young time and Nani not enough time loads of time here. These stats prove that it wasn't true.
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Considering the difference in quality between the two, and that Nani before the injury actually had few good games unlike Young who was dreadfull at that time, I would argue that he didn't deserve just to play around two and a half games more than Young in first 15 games. And actually, those stats are not telling the truth, at the time Young was involved in almost every game in Champions league while Nani played just against Leverkusen, and Young was more involved in other cup competitons too, so in general he did play more than Nani before his injury.
 
We've wasted his talent. He could have been so much better player had Fergie gave him more chances. But it's too late now, he has to go along with Young.
 
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