Yeah he's played nearly 230 games for us, is nearly 28 years old and been here for seven years but all he needed was a chance
Luis Nani | 2013/14 Performances
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Yeah he's played nearly 230 games for us, is nearly 28 years old and been here for seven years but all he needed was a chance
€5m is just about £4m right? We're not very good at this negotiation stuff are we.
Quite hard to argue with something like that when there's 7-8 important cup matches being left out.
Since Nani returned from injury, he's barely had a look in.
Yeah he's played nearly 230 games for us, is nearly 28 years old and been here for seven years but all he needed was a chance
Pfft, 30 is the new 21 in football these days. Everyone knows you can't judge a young player until he's played 250 games for the club.
Before injury, his performances were what?
Absurd isn't it? The excuses made for this lad, deary me. If he was any great shakes we wouldn't be selling him and if we were he'd attract (and we'd demand) bids much higher than the rumoured £5m he's going for.
MEN repeating the stories that were in the Italian press over the weekend. Probably a couple of million less than I'd hoped for, but no doubt that price is based on the last two years. It is time to move him on for me.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...nchester-united-transfers-nani-poised-7073012
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...nchester-united-transfers-nani-poised-7073012
Nani + £30m + Steve Round's set pieces folder archive for Vidal?
Hard to remember -- seems like he's been injured for 5 years.
Re yesterday's game, my opinion was that we'd pass the ball around and then pass out wide right to Young who'd cross the ball and lose it. (in 57', Young crossed the ball 16 times with only 1 successful cross). It's appalling that we couldn't think of anything else to do, but that's where we are at the moment.
If crossing is what you want your wing player to do, Young did it yesterday. I guess that explains the difference in opinion between us -- Nani only attempted 2 crosses, and made neither and had a 79% passing completion rate (28 passes total). Young had an 86% passing rate (35 passes), pretty good until you add those 15 bad crosses on to his total. Now he has
51 passes + crosses with 23 successful connections with a teammate -- less than 50% likelihood that the ball would remain in Utd's possession after you gave it to Young.
That's my memory anyway.
But Nani should leave.
97 goals/assists in 182 starts. Not bad. He's barely had a look in this season. He started a few games in the league back in September and when he was under par against stoke that was it. Started 3 games since that day. Obviously injuries have played a part but still. People expect too much from a player who barely plays and it's been that way for 2 seasons now. Best for him to move on.
It's definitely the right time to sell him. He doesn't seem motivated at all.
Was Young injured for a good deal of that period? I know he was out for a while, and we all breathed a sign of relief, but as soon as he was fit, straight back in and more of the usual dross. Nani gets fit again, and we were still playing Young ahead of him.
The real question is why and we have no real answer only a number of theories, none of which are based on any actual facts.
Right move to sell him. Hopefully the same will happen to Young.
Nani is one of the most talented players we've had. and probably the most laziest as well. everytime he steps out on the pitch you can see that he has a lot in his locker when compared to most players on the pitch. hes technically superior to most of our players as well. he has all the attributes to be world class BUT, he has no motivation to be that player. hes a rags to riches story from cape verde and he seems satisfied with that
theres no point in having a player who's not going to put his heart and soul in to win a game. van gaal is a stickler for discipline and hard work, something that nani will not put in.
its best we let him go and use him to buy younger and more motivated players who have a similar level ability wise - eg. reus/griezmann/draxler
theres no point in having a player who's not going to put his heart and soul in to win a game. van gaal is a stickler for discipline and hard work, something that nani will not put in.
its best we let him go and use him to buy younger and more motivated players who have a similar level ability wise - eg. reus/griezmann/draxler
I've always been of the impression with Nani that he need to play consistently before you see consistency in return, he can rack up a lot of minute and look like turd unless he's playing game after game.
It's no coincidence for me that his best form at United has come when he's had that, and his drop off the boil since has been the result of injuries and lack of faith denying him that.
It's no coincidence for me that his best form at United has come when he's had that, and his drop off the boil since has been the result of injuries and lack of faith denying him that.
I tend to agree with this. Brilliant player.
He's going to Juventus this summer, but 5M is an absolute joke tbh
The guy is awful since two years, but he has more potential than that.... We bought Obertan 3M few years ago...
We've a serious problem when selling players.
We should have at least 10M from him
The guy is awful since two years, but he has more potential than that.... We bought Obertan 3M few years ago...
We've a serious problem when selling players.
We should have at least 10M from him
Obertan was 20 when we signed him. Nani is 27, soon 28. Potential doesn't come into it.
There is just no point with Nani now, if its not inconsistency then its just a repetition of injuries throughout the season. Theres no more potential with the lad clearly, he is going to be 28 this summer. He also seems to have lost a yard of pace on the wing.
If you want a winger whos going to run down the line and cross the ball Young is your guy, Nani has never been that sort of player which could of been his downfall at United, he tried to over complicate moves or go it alone, the amount of times back in 2010 you would see Rooney losing it at Nani on the pitch for not being his sole provider, then eventually when Valencia came on it was all smiles from Wayne
Really wanted to see a front three of RVP-Nani-Mata. All interchanging with pure short passes and one-twos.
Dream unfulfilled.
Dream unfulfilled.
It's verging on Louis Saha. We all know that at his best he could be the answer to some key problems...but his time is up. The amount of injuries he gets I would assume is not only down to some physical frailties, but the mental challenge to get back into things at United too.
Then again I said the same about Hargreaves who decided to try his luck at City and then realised he was finished.
Then again I said the same about Hargreaves who decided to try his luck at City and then realised he was finished.
Sell him. Time for some fresh beginnings for him and us. But only let him go after we get rid of young.
Sell Young as a priority, don't sell Nani.
Rumours of a £5m move to Juventus are ridiculous, £5-fecking-million??
Not sure how we're running things at the moment. You'd think (or hope) Van Gaal has sanctioned this sale, if true.
Its €5 million, so roughly £4 million, which is an absolute steal.
That's worse than selling Berba for £5m to Fulham.
He rarely plays, is seemingly plagued by injuries, his form inbetween these times is hardly glittering...I agree £4-5m is cheap but he's not a top level player who'll attract big offers.
Up until Nani's injury in mid-December in CL Nani got 90 minutes and Young 132 minutes. Nani got 89 in league cup, Young got 180. So add those in and total Nani got 605 minutes and Young 523. So in general no he didn't play more than Nani.
As above. Nani still played more.
He's worth at least twice the reported fee, without a shadow of a doubt.
I'd agree but it could be a 'cut your losses thing' or it could be deemed a good way of cutting the wage bill as he'd presumably be on a decent wage
People have a weird perception of Nani's career here. They've completely forgot the players voted him player of the season in a title winning year, for example. From the point where we'd managed to turn him into one of our best players, he should've been treated as such, one of the first names on the team sheet. He followed up 2010/11 by hitting double figures for goals and assists again the following season, but the signs of him being messed about and marginalised were there.
The following season (Fergie's last) he barely got a sniff, Valencia and Young were offering nothing yet were being given runs of games (that's the key here) that Nani wasn't afforded (15 starts all season). Moyes tells him he's going to be important for us and convinces him to stay, and again fails to give him a run in the team despite being our most talented wide player (9 starts all season). He then got injured for a long time, sure, did he get a game when he returned? Nah, we waited 4 weeks and thrown him in against Everton in our toughest game left in the fixture list, and then he gets dogs abuse on here for not putting in a good performance in his first game for 4 months.. Did he play at all in the next game? Of course not!
He has to take a fair share of the blame for the current situation but he's been horribly mismanaged. We've ruined one of our best attacking players. Whether there's a way back for him here I don't know, I've no doubt a top manager could get the best out of him, but I don't think our fans would even be prepared to give him a chance.
The following season (Fergie's last) he barely got a sniff, Valencia and Young were offering nothing yet were being given runs of games (that's the key here) that Nani wasn't afforded (15 starts all season). Moyes tells him he's going to be important for us and convinces him to stay, and again fails to give him a run in the team despite being our most talented wide player (9 starts all season). He then got injured for a long time, sure, did he get a game when he returned? Nah, we waited 4 weeks and thrown him in against Everton in our toughest game left in the fixture list, and then he gets dogs abuse on here for not putting in a good performance in his first game for 4 months.. Did he play at all in the next game? Of course not!
He has to take a fair share of the blame for the current situation but he's been horribly mismanaged. We've ruined one of our best attacking players. Whether there's a way back for him here I don't know, I've no doubt a top manager could get the best out of him, but I don't think our fans would even be prepared to give him a chance.
feck cut your losses, get what he's worth rather than selling players on other clubs terms. Get £10-15m for him and then I'll be reasonably happy.
Exactly, we havent played the guy consistently since the 2011 season. Clubs wont pay anything over £10m because its not worth is for a 27/28 year old who hasnt featured - why would you pay over the odds when a club wants you to buy him.
I'm with you, get him off the wage bill and take anything you can for him. Which is a shame because in Italy i can really see him shining, with us for whatever reason managers dont trust him.
He's had 8 seasons here what more of a chance is needed? He's not been competing against Ronaldo for a starting spot lately its a post injury Valencia and underwhelming Kagawa and piss poor Young.
This is exactly what I'm talking about.. You talk as if he's had 8 years and not shown what he can do.
Firstly, Valencia had his best season for us after the leg break. Secondly, the fact he's competing with Young and Valencia and yet still isn't given a run of games is proof enough we've not done nearly enough to try get one of our most talented players back to where he was when he won player of the season for us.
If he's gone or stays it'll do nothing to me, I don't consider him as a player anymore
Yeah, just saw Young was played in lot of games in CL, but didn't really start (m)any games there.
Still though, that means he got the chance to impress which he failed(unlike Nani who played in just one game in CL).
My point still stays the same(altough you are right on minutes), Young's form was dreadfull at start of the season, and Nani had few good performances, but still Young played just 90 minutes less than him in that period.
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