Luis Nani | 2013/14 Performances

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Don't know if we offered more money than Madrid (Perez claimed so!), but I do believe we made an offer. Moyes refusing to answer about Bale, him returning from Spain and then Perez claiming we made a bid, far too much smoke there. Of course no proof.
 
Don't know if we offered more money than Madrid (Perez claimed so!), but I do believe we made an offer. Moyes refusing to answer about Bale, him returning from Spain and then Perez claiming we made a bid, far too much smoke there. Of course no proof.
Perez is a scoundrel, I dont believe anything he says. Im sure we made a bid but one in excess of what we got for Ronaldo? No chance.
 
loaning nani out make no sense at all. remember we are still in the CL and mata won't be available. who knows maybe nani could be fit for once before the season ends?
 
Id be amazed if we actually refused to do business with Spurs to be honest. Business is business, grudges are personal. If they have a player we want we'll go for him. If they make a bid for a player we want to sell at a price we want to sell him at then we'll let them go. We've done plenty of business with Spurs over the years, I dont think one incident will derail that.
 
"wantaway" Nani, who signed a new 5 year deal about 5 months ago. He's been injured, so obviously can't contribute right now.
 
Id be amazed if we actually refused to do business with Spurs to be honest. Business is business, grudges are personal. If they have a player we want we'll go for him. If they make a bid for a player we want to sell at a price we want to sell him at then we'll let them go. We've done plenty of business with Spurs over the years, I dont think one incident will derail that.
This really. Anything else is just silly.
 
Would be pretty sad if come the summer it's Nani and Kagawa who have gone/are going and Valencia/Young are the ones staying.
 
Would be pretty sad if come the summer it's Nani and Kagawa who have gone/are going and Valencia/Young are the ones staying.
So far Nani and Kagawa have contributed nothing this season so there would be nothing sad about chucking them.
 
Bale rejected it. He wanted to go to Madrid.

You think Levy is kind of person who cares what Bale thinks, especially after Bale pretty much refused to train?
 
It looks like a Football Manager move. Your player, who you don't much want, is running down his deal so you get him to sign a new one and then try to sell him.

Or it's just a load of paper bollocks.
 
Us making a bid means that Moyes is prepared to do business with Spurs. I really hope he doesn't and that Bale was just a special case if the reported bid was indeed true.

Well I never said Moyes didn't want to do business with them, I was saying about Fergie(which are his words), and I said I am not sure if Moyes will keep up with his policy by rejecting to do business with Spurs.
 
Well I never said Moyes didn't want to do business with them, I was saying about Fergie(which are his words), and I said I am not sure if Moyes will keep up with his policy by rejecting to do business with Spurs.
Like "I wouldnt sell Madrid a virus." I wouldnt pay too much attention to what SAF said, I dont think even SAF himself would be held to that, let alone our current manager and CEO.
 
Like "I wouldnt sell Madrid a virus." I wouldnt pay too much attention to what SAF said, I dont think even SAF himself would be held to that, let alone our current manager and CEO.

United offering 100 millions for Bale(or any other player), and getting 90 millions for Ronaldo, two completely different things.
 
So far Nani and Kagawa have contributed nothing this season so there would be nothing sad about chucking them.

Well Nani has largely been injured but only had one poor game as far as I can remember- Stoke, where he did get the first assist. Kagawa has been disappointing but no more so than Young/Valencia imo and I'd say they've been worse in terms of the fact that they're both established PL players, playing in their natural positions and been largely poor. Kagawa in comparison has had a fair amount of games out of position. Additionally whilst he certainly needs to up his game I personally would think we could do more to get more out of him and players like mata/Januzaj imo would play better of him than they would valencia/young.
 
It would make no sense loaning him out. By loaning him out, thus effectively not giving him much of a chance, and selling Fabio without giving him a chance by playing Büttner ahead of him, might cause a few supporters to get on Moyes' back.

Also, why sign a five year deal if Moyes doesn't have faith in him?

Why did we sign Fellaini? Why did we turn down a chance to sign a player, Thiago, that Bayern deemed good enough for them? Why did we play Zaha and Fabio throughout pre-season and then freeze them out? A lot of what United have done since Fergie left makes no sense.

I would not be shocked to see Nani leave. I don't think he's been that bad. Even in that Stoke game where he got booed it was down to Nani that we scored the first and he was good in Leverkussen. We know Nani's a confidence player, nothing Moyes has done would have boosted his morale. Can you imagine having Nani's gifts and seeing Valencia picked ahead of you game after game regardless of poor performances? I'd be playing without confidence too!
 
United offering 100 millions for Bale(or any other player), and getting 90 millions for Ronaldo, two completely different things.
Well theyre different in some ways obviously, but they are the same in one important way: they are evidence that SAF was quite happy to say things that he didnt really mean. In terms of discussing whether we are theoretically open to doing business with Spurs Id say it is pretty relevant. Especially as most people believe we had already agreed to let Ronaldo leave the following summer at the time SAF made those remarks.
 
Well theyre different in some ways obviously, but they are the same in one important way: they are evidence that SAF was quite happy to say things that he didnt really mean. In terms of discussing whether we are theoretically open to doing business with Spurs Id say it is pretty relevant. Especially as most people believe we had already agreed to let Ronaldo leave the following summer at the time SAF made those remarks.

Well, I would believe him in this case, why would he said it, he wasn't under any pressure? With Ronaldo, it was the different, nobody wants to sell their best player, and whenever some team is selling their best player, they say things like that. Spurs also said they won't sell Bale, but it was obvious that he was going to Madrid.

And after all, I can't believe anyone thinks Levy wouldn't sell him to other club for bigger price just because Bale wanted to go to Madrid, it's like you just heard about Levy.
 
Well, I would believe him in this case, why would he said it, he wasn't under any pressure? With Ronaldo, it was the different, nobody wants to sell their best player, and whenever some team is selling their best player, they say things like that. Spurs also said they won't sell Bale, but it was obvious that he was going to Madrid.

And after all, I can't believe anyone thinks Levy wouldn't sell him to other club for bigger price just because Bale wanted to go to Madrid, it's like you just heard about Levy.

United were offered more money from Barca but Beckham's team had already engineered his move to Madrid.

Contrary to what people think, players do get a choice in where they are going. If he was set on Madrid, it wouldn't matter one bit if Spurs accepted only our bid as he can reject any offer of personal terms with us and make it clear that if Spurs want a fee for him it'll only come from Real Madrid.
 
Well, I would believe him in this case, why would he said it, he wasn't under any pressure? With Ronaldo, it was the different, nobody wants to sell their best player, and whenever some team is selling their best player, they say things like that. Spurs also said they won't sell Bale, but it was obvious that he was going to Madrid.

And after all, I can't believe anyone thinks Levy wouldn't sell him to other club for bigger price just because Bale wanted to go to Madrid, it's like you just heard about Levy.
I think you have me confused with someone else, Im not talking about Levy or what Spurs would or wouldnt do, that is of no interest to me and I dont have an opinion on it. Im saying 1) I doubt we offered more money for Bale than Madrid did because Madrid like spending absurd amounts of money for players and we dont and 2) I dont think United would refuse to do business with Spurs - I dont think we would have when SAF was here if the circumstances were right for us, and especially not now he has gone.
 
I think you have me confused with someone else, Im not talking about Levy or what Spurs would or wouldnt do, that is of no interest to me and I dont have an opinion on it. Im saying 1) I doubt we offered more money for Bale than Madrid did because Madrid like spending absurd amounts of money for players and we dont and 2) I dont think United would refuse to do business with Spurs - I dont think we would have when SAF was here if the circumstances were right for us, and especially not now he has gone.

OK, but I still don't see why would Fergie say that he would never do business with Tottenham, no one asked him, and he was under no pressure, it would be such a random thing to say if he didn't mean it.
 
Why did we sign Fellaini? Why did we turn down a chance to sign a player, Thiago, that Bayern deemed good enough for them? Why did we play Zaha and Fabio throughout pre-season and then freeze them out? A lot of what United have done since Fergie left makes no sense.

I would not be shocked to see Nani leave. I don't think he's been that bad. Even in that Stoke game where he got booed it was down to Nani that we scored the first and he was good in Leverkussen. We know Nani's a confidence player, nothing Moyes has done would have boosted his morale. Can you imagine having Nani's gifts and seeing Valencia picked ahead of you game after game regardless of poor performances? I'd be playing without confidence too!

Agree with this.

I especially agree with the bolded part. Moyes proclaimed just how Nani was a confidence player and that he needed a few games to get going - that was after he played a good match - the next match he benches him. It makes no sense and must be frustrating for Nani. I think Rio also criticized the way Moyes introduced the starting XI.
 
OK, but I still don't see why would Fergie say that he would never do business with Tottenham, no one asked him, and he was under no pressure, it would be such a random thing to say if he didn't mean it.
Just because he was pissed off with them, to make a point about thinking they had behaved badly with the Fryers deal... Im sure he meant it at the time, heat of the moment thing and was genuinely pissed off, I just dont think if Spurs put in a £25m bid for Nani, say, or some other offer he felt was in our interests to take, he wouldve turned it down because of that.

But as for SAF you couldnt put anything past him, he certainly was one man who could hold a grudge so maybe you are right when it comes to him, its all hypothetical and we'll never know for sure. But I am confident now he is gone nobody else cares as much about it as he did and it wouldnt get in the way for future deals.
 
United were offered more money from Barca but Beckham's team had already engineered his move to Madrid.

Contrary to what people think, players do get a choice in where they are going. If he was set on Madrid, it wouldn't matter one bit if Spurs accepted only our bid as he can reject any offer of personal terms with us and make it clear that if Spurs want a fee for him it'll only come from Real Madrid.

Beckham didn't want to leave in first place(at least by his words), and Bale refused to train for Spurs- again, completely different situation.

As for the bold part, you really think that players are the one who are asked first? Clubs pretty much own the players, they can do what they want with them as long as they are under their contract.
 
Just because he was pissed off with them, to make a point about thinking they had behaved badly with the Fryers deal... Im sure he meant it at the time, heat of the moment thing and was genuinely pissed off, I just dont think if Spurs put in a £25m bid for Nani, say, or some other offer he felt was in our interests to take, he wouldve turned it down because of that.

But as for SAF you couldnt put anything past him, he certainly was one man who could hold a grudge so maybe you are right when it comes to him, its all hypothetical and we'll never know for sure. But I am confident now he is gone nobody else cares as much about it as he did and it wouldnt get in the way for future deals.

Yeah, nothing is guaranteed with him, can't argue with that, but I don't think it was just heat of the moment thing because he didn't say it immediately after the Fryers deal, but he mentioned it few years later in his book.

As for the post-Fergie thing, I agree, but I believe if he said to Moyes to keep up with that policy, Moyes would definitely listen to him, but we can't know if he insisted on that.
 
Really weird that press want to make up all kinds of stories but, won't even ask about his injury status.
 
We will not have anyone leave, especially winger after the loan of Zaha. We do not have the cover for that in any position on the field, simple as.
 
As for the bold part, you really think that players are the one who are asked first? Clubs pretty much own the players, they can do what they want with them as long as they are under their contract.

Nope. The player can decide to not leave or to only go at a certain club.

Udinese had to sell Alexis to Barcelona despite that City was offering more money. Simply because Alexis made it clear that it is either Barca or he won't move.
 
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