Your posts make me sad. Just because some clever philosophical works are long winded and complex, the converse is not always true, ie making something long winded and complex doesn't mean it's clever. The life is being sucked out of football discussion by this overly complicated approach. I blame Graham Hunter. Transfer rumours are agenda driven bollox. Some points are lost in superfluous explanation.
Luis Nani | 2013/14 Performances
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Your posts make me sad. Just because some clever philosophical works are long winded and complex, the converse is not always true, ie making something long winded and complex doesn't mean it's clever. The life is being sucked out of football discussion by this overly complicated approach. I blame Graham Hunter. Transfer rumours are agenda driven bollox. Some points are lost in superfluous explanation.
I wholeheartedly agree. Orwell had a lot to say about complexity versus simplicity.
Why do my posts make you sad? Do they have a pessimistic undertone? I know you're not fond of me being on this forum.
Done deals is the excitement, and them seeing them in a Utd shirt for the first time on a foreign tour on a slightly ropey stream, heaven I tells ye heaven.
The spaculation has it's place I suppose if there is some basis other than some hack needing to fill column inches.
Shimo wasn't confused, he was just nitpicking at my post because I said he was being fanboish earlier in the thread, but at least he had read the thread, you on the other hand....
I read it when I quoted you, and I read it again now, but anyway, previous posts have nothing to do with those I am talking about.
First you ask for facts to prove those speculations, and in next post you said that is seems like he is in disagreement with the club.
Anyhow, it's stupid.
First you ask for facts to prove those speculations, and in next post you said that is seems like he is in disagreement with the club.
Anyhow, it's stupid.
Okay we will have to agree to disagree about who is being stupid, lets just forget it now either way.
In theory, maybe.
Ha! moses, you're quite the character
We are definitely struggling to communicate, hopefully we will do better next time we discuss something.feck it
I was joking in previous post
I was joking in previous post
So Galatasaray offered only £6m for him...they can take a running jump.
I really hope he stays and signs a new contract with us now.
I really hope he stays and signs a new contract with us now.
I rate Nani at more than £6m, but do you not think that it tells you something about him if that's the kind of offers we get? I don't know any non-United fans that rate him as highly as some United fans do.
I wouldn't sell Young at 6m let alone Nani
no point in selling him at something below 20m really. I hope he signs new contract, given with the shifting of managers he may play a bit more. Offensively he's the best winger we have at the moment.
For 6m I'd have a thought about Young tho...
It tells me that they are trying to grab a bargain, for a player who barely played last year and is in his last year of his contract. The same thing happened with Berbatov last year, when he was exiled from the squad. How much did he go for again? He is still a quality player and could have offered something if he played more. Nani was played sporadically pretty much for the whole season, a lot less than the other wingers, and the only proper run in the team he got was against Reading, QPR, Madrid then Chelsea of which was cut short with bad referee decisions and another injury. It does look like he will be leaving, but Galatasaray offering that amount of money means nothing. Remember we were offered 25 million for him last summer from Zenit.
They are saying we want 10m euros for him, why do we always sell players for half what other teams would
Christ, 10m euros.. We might as well just keep him then! Nani, with his head on, is worth easily 30m quid.
Sounds absolute rubbish. Nani even off-form is worth more than 10 million Euros, jeez that is Bebe money.
Not basing this on the recent comments regarding the £6 million figure, but I do think most United fans generally overrate Nani too damn much.
I mean, yes he's an exciting player and he is one of those players who can make something out of nothing. That goal vs Chelsea in that 3-1 a couple of seasons ago is a great example of that, as well as his stunning strike against Tottenham in his debut season.
With that being said, it's a rare moment when we get to see his magic. He's been injured a lot this season so I understand that he hasn't had many opportunities this season, but Fergie hasn't really seemed to want to use him that much when he was fit. What does that tell you? You could say that Fergie hasn't played him because he hasn't committed his future to us with all this contract talk - yet when Rooney does that, a more important player for us, he gets slated and is called a "cancer", which is disgusting if I may say. Even when Rooney didn't want to commit his future the first team he received dog's abuse.
Yet when Nani doesn't seem interested in staying, some on here are begging for him to stay and is hailed as a vital player in our squad.
We destroyed the PL last season without his assistance really - he isn't that important to us. We rarely get to see his magic due to his inconsistency and his annoying habit of forgetting when to pass and when not to pass.
I understand this post won't be welcomed in this thread, because the majority in here rate him ridiculously high. I do want to stress that I do rate Nani as a player, but for Goodness sake some of you make him out to be a nailed on starter for us just because he's probably the most entertaining from himself, Valencia and Young. Being the most entertaining doesn't mean shit - Kerlon (That seal dribbler) is probably an amazing player to watch, but that doesn't mean he's effective/consistent.
Some might say that is a bad argument to make due to how bad of a season Valencia and, to a lesser extent, Young had - but Nani has probably twice the amount of bad games than Valencia, and yet the second Valencia gets a bad season he's hounded out despite being our best performer a couple of seasons ago.
I just find it silly.
/rant over. As I said, I expect the backlash of "SHIT POST" etc - but that's my genuine opinion. If Nani stayed, I won't celebrate but if he left, I wouldn't even bat an eyelid.
I mean, yes he's an exciting player and he is one of those players who can make something out of nothing. That goal vs Chelsea in that 3-1 a couple of seasons ago is a great example of that, as well as his stunning strike against Tottenham in his debut season.
With that being said, it's a rare moment when we get to see his magic. He's been injured a lot this season so I understand that he hasn't had many opportunities this season, but Fergie hasn't really seemed to want to use him that much when he was fit. What does that tell you? You could say that Fergie hasn't played him because he hasn't committed his future to us with all this contract talk - yet when Rooney does that, a more important player for us, he gets slated and is called a "cancer", which is disgusting if I may say. Even when Rooney didn't want to commit his future the first team he received dog's abuse.
Yet when Nani doesn't seem interested in staying, some on here are begging for him to stay and is hailed as a vital player in our squad.
We destroyed the PL last season without his assistance really - he isn't that important to us. We rarely get to see his magic due to his inconsistency and his annoying habit of forgetting when to pass and when not to pass.
I understand this post won't be welcomed in this thread, because the majority in here rate him ridiculously high. I do want to stress that I do rate Nani as a player, but for Goodness sake some of you make him out to be a nailed on starter for us just because he's probably the most entertaining from himself, Valencia and Young. Being the most entertaining doesn't mean shit - Kerlon (That seal dribbler) is probably an amazing player to watch, but that doesn't mean he's effective/consistent.
Some might say that is a bad argument to make due to how bad of a season Valencia and, to a lesser extent, Young had - but Nani has probably twice the amount of bad games than Valencia, and yet the second Valencia gets a bad season he's hounded out despite being our best performer a couple of seasons ago.
I just find it silly.
/rant over. As I said, I expect the backlash of "SHIT POST" etc - but that's my genuine opinion. If Nani stayed, I won't celebrate but if he left, I wouldn't even bat an eyelid.
Good post, agree completely.
The thing is Hernandez, the stats would suggest that Nani has been just as effective as Valencia if not more over the last 3 years, so it's just not a case of Nani being more talented/entertaining.
You really can't compare the two. Nani hasn't publicly complained, released statements or said "I want to leave". He's kept quiet and not made any fuss at all, and whenever he has been asked he hasn't really given any definitive answers and has more so just brushed it all off. We've no idea what is happening or what his "demands" are really. It's nothing like Rooney who completely questioned the entire ambition of the club in a move which was basically confirmed to be purely to get more money in his contract, only for three years later to do the exact same thing again.
Nani hasn't been making any public statements, but it has been clear for quite some time that the reason he has not signed a new contract is because he wants more money. You don't leave United to go to Turkey for anything else. There were reports around this time last year that he was demanding £130,000/week. I don't have any particular liking for Rooney, but in both the instances, it is the club which made public his desire to leave, although his agent may have leaked certain stories, but then, every agent does. Nani is the best winger we have, and it's a pity we won't even get £10m for him, but it says more about the state of our wings currently than the quality of Nani. He has always been talented, and had shown glimpses of playing at a consistent level, but hasn't done that sadly.
130k is just ballpark. Whatever it is, it is more than what the club value him at, and less than what he is going to be paid in Turkey/France. There is no reason for him to leave otherwise. How Rooney acted was obviously worse, but the aim of both the players in either saga, is to get more money from the club, one succeeded because he had the club against the wall at the time, while the other is simply not good enough to blackmail the club into giving him more than what the club feels he deserves.
I'm totally bemused by all your assumptions there really. We know sweet feck all, in fact the whole Nani thing could be down to SAF just never rating him that highly and not being bothered about giving him a new contract, maybe he would've preferred to sell him, regardless of money?
So SAF didn't rate him highly enough and yet started him in our most important game of the season. It all comes down to money, it almost always does these days.
See now that's another thing that annoys me. This isn't completely directed at you, but I've seen this reply in previous pages. Rooney has been slated by many over the past few weeks for not saying anything: not committing his future to the club or clarifying that he wants to leave. He's kept quiet. He's clearly took Fergie's advice which was to settle down a bit and not rush this decision, and that he should take a few weeks to know 100% what he really wants.
But some on this forum has slated his silence. Yet when Nani is keeping quiet, it's seen as being a professional.
It's a joke at times. People seem to be hell-bent to just hate Rooney, and at the same time defend Nani. Rooney is more than twice the player Nani is, in my opinion, and he's more than twice the player in terms of how importance to the team. He has a childish mentality, but maybe he was just born with it.
We've given Nani time. He's been annoying to watch most of the time, and we've been patient. Yet, it seems he just wants to leave. While Nani has been persistent with his annoying habits on the pitch, Rooney has done wonders on the field during Nani's time here. I don't really appreciate that Nani wants to go despite all that patience we've given him. Yet, no one shows the same patience to Rooney despite the glory he's helped guided United to.
We seriously only want £8.5M for Nani?
Has the football World gone mad?
Has the football World gone mad?
Nani has not been given the chance Rooney has and in reference to your post on the previous page he had two good seasons before this one the talk of Nani being inconsistent is poor and not just directed at you for those with a short term memory. Nani has shown he is better than Valencia and Nani in his short time on the pitch this season and has still been on the bench when we have needed more creativity in the final third. He is a player the manager rates he started against real and then against Chelsea. The contract situation is what has led to him being benched. He plays with his best effort and shows respect to the club unlike Rooney who for months fans where speculating in regards to his body language only for it to be confirmed.
Rooney is better player than Nani not twice the player but he has previously disrespected this club so I don't get why people are surprised by the treatment he is receiving. For a senior player and face of the club he should/could have handled himself better. Don't want to turn this into Nani vs Rooney. But Rooney has had as many chance as any player I have seen here. The most inconsistent big top players out there. Nani wants to stay he talks about his love for the club it is on his facebook page etc. Rooney has not shown the same loyalty so i'm unsure why you are surprised about his treatment.
We seriously only want £8.5M for Nani?
Has the football World gone mad?
I know we struggle to get good money for our unwanted players, but this is mad.
Whoever gets him for that price will get an amazing deal. If he can rediscover his best form he is easily a £30m player.
So what, is Nani on his way out then?
It's sickening because if we were buying Nani from another club, same situation, we'd be paying £20m
all speculation founded on nothing
It would make more sense, & it would be more useful to the squad, to sign him up on a 4 year deal at £130K a week & sell him next year for £25M.
I would hate it if we sell Our best winger. The timing of it With the manager change is also a worry. I really hope he signs. I always enjoy United when we play With creative wingers With flair, this would leave us wit none.
If Moyes wants him Nani would be daft to go. It's a fresh start for him here now with the chance to establish himself as a key player in the side.
Besides, anywhere he goes would be a massive step down.
Besides, anywhere he goes would be a massive step down.
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