Yes, it's so obvious that I am a Nani fanboi if I point out that there is a possibility the club is not willing to bring him up to parity to Young at the very least (reported at 120k a week) or pay him even more than Young since I believe Nani is a better player and has proved himself to be for the club. It's fanboi-ish of me to say if that's the case then I can see why Nani is right to turn down the offer and to me the club is wrong for not offering him a better deal and to sell him off.
Luis Nani | 2013/14 Performances
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If, in the years before joining us, Young would have looked like he has for us this past season, we wouldn't have offered him 120k a week (assuming it's what he's getting). If, for some reason, we decided to sign him, we'd have offered him a lot less. So why should Nani be looking for parity? If he looked as good for us these past two years as Young had looked for Villa...
You get a contract based on recent (a year or so, maybe two) showings. Not based on what you did two or three years ago.
You get a contract based on recent (a year or so, maybe two) showings. Not based on what you did two or three years ago.
Basing your argument on figures that are completely unconfirmed is nonsense, you don't know what the club have offered yet you decide that Nani is being shortchanged . Fanboi stuff.
No I've not decided anything because I don't know what's going behind closed doors. It's you that's taken the stance that Nani is in the wrong even though you have no clue if he is or not. I've just presented a very plausible alternative to what's going on- one which doesn't paint Nani as a greedy twat which seems to really annoy you for some reason. If that makes me a fanboi in your childish mind - not going to keep me up at night.
Some things become 'true' just by virtue of being asserted repeatedly. On no authority that need be believed do we know this figure is anything close to his actual wage.
It's irritating as feck that people just go on as if it were an established fact, and then use it as basis to construct the whole 'Nani's been mistreated' babble.
Where did I say Nani was a greedy twat, don't put words in my mouth, my reading of the situation is that the club and Nani have probably come to an impasse as to his worth in respect of his wages. If they can't come to an agreement then there has to be a parting of the ways. Hopefully no hard feelings, thanks for your contribution, good luck at your new club. If they can sort it out, all well and good, come on on Nani get your head down and get back to the form of a couple of years ago.
About to come on for Portugal - will be good to see him actually playing football!
For those curious, he came on when Russia were desperately attacking, so was playing on the break mainly. He looked okay, as always great first touch and technique, but also some sloppy passes. 2 decent shots both wide and that was about it. Didn't seem to 'click' with Ronaldo very well either.
Still, his touch and ability are so much better than Young and Valencia it's embarrassing.
Still, his touch and ability are so much better than Young and Valencia it's embarrassing.
He told the Portuguese TV: (Google translated)
"Proposals? So are the newspapers who like to speculate. I have not decided where I'm going or where I'm staying. In the coming days will know "
"Proposals? So are the newspapers who like to speculate. I have not decided where I'm going or where I'm staying. In the coming days will know "
Moysey, sign him up. Moysey, Moysey...
Keep in mind it's his first game back from another injury spell. Not bad today.
When he plays wide in a 433 for Portugal I think he's at his best.
He's off. We'll do well to get £20 million for him.
Muppetry aside, in terms of sheer ability we're going to struggle to find anyone near him. Zaha at his very, very best against the Championship is a shadow of what Nani can do against any team in the world.
If Moyes believes he can get the best out of the 'mercurial' or 'enigmatic' or in plain language 'annoyingly inconsistent' winger, than we possess the best option at no new cost to us.
One of the few positives of SAF leaving is that hopefully his replacement will give otherwise exiled players a chance. Nani could be and has been one of the best wingers in world football. I don't think we could replace that with his sale.
I hope that at the very least Nani returns to us for pre-season, and both Moyes and Nani make up their minds based on the future, not the last 12 months.
If Moyes believes he can get the best out of the 'mercurial' or 'enigmatic' or in plain language 'annoyingly inconsistent' winger, than we possess the best option at no new cost to us.
One of the few positives of SAF leaving is that hopefully his replacement will give otherwise exiled players a chance. Nani could be and has been one of the best wingers in world football. I don't think we could replace that with his sale.
I hope that at the very least Nani returns to us for pre-season, and both Moyes and Nani make up their minds based on the future, not the last 12 months.
Nothing I have seen suggests that he will become more consistent and at the moment he delivers so infrequently I can see why he got so little game time last year. I hope we sell and get a decent amount for him to help strengthen our midfield.
A consistent Nani would be great. The problem is that inconsistent Nani is very frustrating to everyone
Valencia didn't have a good season but last season aside he has been far more useful to United than Nani. I'm not convinced about Young but you get the feeling that there is more to the Nani situation than just his wildly inconsistent play. Anderson and Nani are in the same boat to me. They both promise to be the real deal yet never actually fulfill that potential. How much longer do we wait?
If we got a decent price for him I wouldn't be distraught to see him go. And someone has to make way for Bale and Ronaldo. 
I have big hopes for Zaha, and I think we were seeing signs that Valencia might be getting his form back at the end of the season, so if Nani goes for a reasonable fee then I would be happy for that money to help purchase some new blood. New manager is in and Nani is one of the players who will be swept out to make room for Moyes own purchases.
It isn't just about goals. It is about how well a player fits into the team. Valencia has almost always been a better fit.
His goals and assists come in the one good game and he buggers the team up in the two when he is as useful as a chocolate fireguard*
* I've told you a million times to stop exaggerating.
He isn't rubbish, obviously, but his inconsistency combined with the other behind the scenes issues that seem to be a factor probably means that he will be sold I'd say. Of course Moyes may fancy a bit of rehabilitation for players like Nani and Rooney.
* I've told you a million times to stop exaggerating.
He isn't rubbish, obviously, but his inconsistency combined with the other behind the scenes issues that seem to be a factor probably means that he will be sold I'd say. Of course Moyes may fancy a bit of rehabilitation for players like Nani and Rooney.
And who is to say that Valencia isn't going to be sold after last season?
Young, Valenci and Nani out.
Bale, Ronaldo and Zaha in.
Probably.
Bale, Ronaldo and Zaha in.
Probably.
People need to take in to account that Valencia was the perfect winger for Ferguson's strategy and Nani was pretty much the opposite.
Moyes however will have the same bias Fergie had for Valencia, but for the more narrow players. Some players fit certain managers style more than others. Valencia is more of a RB in the system Moyes deploys.
Moyes however will have the same bias Fergie had for Valencia, but for the more narrow players. Some players fit certain managers style more than others. Valencia is more of a RB in the system Moyes deploys.
I think he holds us back instead of helping to bringing the best out of our team. If this team wants to challenge for the highest honour i.e. The European Cup, is Valencia the sort of player you can afford to be playing out wide for you... not in my opinion, lacks the technical quality and tactical intelligence going forwards to do so.
Sorry, but this "we've never seen a consistent Nani" idea is just nonsense.
At the end of 2009-10 he played 14 league matches, only missing 2 after a red card, and got goals or assists in 8 of them.
From the start of 2010-11 he had a run of 28 league matches, in 18 of which he got a goal or assist, never going 2 matches in a row without doing so. That sounds a pretty consistent spell to me.
Up till xmas the season after that, he had a run of 17 league matches in which he got 6 goals and 9 assists.
In total from Jan 2010 to December 2012 - that's 2 years - he played 63 matches, and got 17 goals and 39 assists.
I'm not saying he's not had some dodgy spells too, but they've mostly been around when he's had injuries, or all the shit at the start of this season about his transfer, fall-outs etc.
When he's been settled and fit, and had a run in the team, he has proved that he can be exceptionally consistent.
Depends if you want to mimic Barca or play like United.
In the same way that Ronaldo was pretty much the opposite?
I never called him the best anything in Europe. Very good on his day but his days need to be more frequent and aren't. I'm sure Moyes will have his opinion and I'm happy with whatever he decides.
Because that would be ridiculous. Many players have had bad seasons for United in the past, and many have had second chances. If Nani is still here, then that just shows our club are patient like that.
Valencia has been great for us since he joined - he had to fill a very difficult void left by Ronaldo, and even though he didn't fill it out completely, it actually made me forget the worry I had when Ronaldo leaving was announced.
I think Nani will go. He doesn't seem to want to sign a new contract with us, which is fair enough. I don't really care that much whether he stays or goes. He's an exciting player and on his day he is a joy to watch - but those days are rare. I don't really crave for him to stay like I am with Rooney, because I do think Rooney is in a different league when it comes to their importance to the team.
I'd be perfectly happy to replace him with Zaha. I think he can grow into one hell of a player if given time and patience. So I don't feel we need to splash some cash to replace him.
Not sure how to respond to something that stupid. Nani is not at the same level as Ronaldo, in fact no player in our team is. When you have a player like Ronaldo/Messi/Maradona/Pele in your team then even if you are Alex Ferguson you adjust to let that player shine.
He helps in neither respect.. the best United wingers have helped keep possession but also were genuine threats out wide (whenever we've conquered Europe, the calibre of wide players of this club has been immense... Best, Becks, Ronaldo). He's not good enough to be a first team winger if we're aiming to be the best side in Europe (which is what a club of this size should consistently aim for). He is a good squad player if we are going to keep him which I'm sure we will but him and Young are not cut out to be matchwinners against the very best sides in Europe.
Nani is not good enough to be our most prominent winger, but he is of absolutely amazing quality for a "2nd best winger in the team". He is lightyears ahead of Park who got games next to Ronaldo, he is way above John Aston who played on the opposite wing of Best.
The only "2nd link" that has been stronger than Nani was Giggs next to Beckham(or the opposite depending on season and personal preference.)
The only way you are at a big club for a length of time is either when your have fulfilled your potential and are one of the first name on the team sheet Or you are squad player, happy to come in when needed and contribute to the cause. Nani is neither, and on top that wants big boy wages.
In an ideal world he would be off last season and we would have a replacement already.
In an ideal world he would be off last season and we would have a replacement already.
So you agree that Nani isn't good enough? Excellent.
It isn't ridiculous. Aging players who have had a bad season have been sold before especially if replacements have been lined up. Not saying he is being sold but keeping Nani based on a comparison with player who has had a rubbish season isn't the greatest of arguments.
You can't find any good Nani's these days.
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