Luis Nani | 2013/14 Performances

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Annahnomoss said:
That is the thing that most people fail to realize with Nani. He is a bit like Rooney in that sense, he needs a run of games to reach his heights. Coming of the bench every 5th game doesn't really help him reach his consistency.

Nani is a player you play in your first team or you may as well sell him because the differences in skill between a Nani who gets a consistent run of games compared to the one who is seen as a reserve-player is huge.
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Exactly. You summed it up well.
 
It's all well and good stating Nani's a confidence player who needs a run of games to perform consistently.

But the fact remains he wants a shed load of money to remain at United, which the club clearly feel he's not worth.
 
Kid Cunto said:
It's all well and good stating Nani's a confidence player who needs a run of games to perform consistently.

But the fact remains he wants a shed load of money to remain at United, which the club clearly feel he's not worth.
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You have made those facts up in your head though. All the actual figures discussed in the news so far has been low. Even the highest figures that has been discussed 130~ is what Young has which would seem very reasonable.

Of course as these figures are also made up from the journos they are not facts. So for now saying he is asking for "a shed load of money" is complete bollocks that you have no clue about.
 
It's not really. That Russian club confirmed he wanted a shit load of money to join them. Ferguson stated he was an important player and a match winner, stating he wanted him to sign the offered contract. Nani has expressed no interest in signing the alleged offered contract.
 
Kid Cunto said:
It's not really. That Russian club confirmed he wanted a shit load of money to join them. Ferguson stated he was an important player and a match winner, stating he wanted him to sign the offered contract. Nani has expressed no interest in signing the alleged offered contract.
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Exactly, you have no figures at all but still you are completely sure it is "a shed load of money" for a footballer? For every weak evidence to support the idea that he is asking for "a shed load of money" there is equal/more weak evidence to suggest the complete opposite.

What conclusion can we reach from that? That we don't have a damn clue about whether or not he is asking for "a shed load of money" or not.
 
The most logical conclusion, for me and many others, is that Nani's inevitable exit is financially driven.

He's not going to join a better club, he's had his poorest season in some time due to injury. So Barça and Madrid wouldn't be eyeing him up.

The clubs he's been linked with offer silly wages.

We've alledgely offered him a contract, that he has no apparent interest in signing.

That Russian club stated he wanted astronomical wages to join them.
 
Kid Cunto said:
The most logical conclusion, for me and many others, is that Nani's inevitable exit is financially driven.

He's not going to join a better club, he's had his poorest season in some time due to injury. So Barça and Madrid wouldn't be eyeing him up.

The clubs he's been linked with offer silly wages.

We've alledgely offered him a contract, that he no apparent interest in signing.

That Russian club stated he wanted astronomical wages to join them.
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No, the most logical conclusion is that there is too much contradicting evidence out there to make a conclusion yet.

Your way of rationalizing is why so many people are strict atheists and not agnostics.
 
Kid Cunto said:
It's not really. That Russian club confirmed he wanted a shit load of money to join them. Ferguson stated he was an important player and a match winner, stating he wanted him to sign the offered contract. Nani has expressed no interest in signing the alleged offered contract.
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He would hold the Russian club to ransom he doesn't want to play there so you take more money to sweeten the deal. The press can't be trusted but if it is the same wages as Young he wants and we are refusing I can't blame him at all.
 
Kid Cunto said:
But the fact remains he wants a shed load of money to remain at United, which the club clearly feel he's not worth.
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I thought it was about first team assurances, and the money aspect was to have his move to Zenit rejected by the Russians.
‘Definitely we want to keep him,’ said the United manager yesterday. ‘He’s one of the best match-winners in the game and I’m including the whole of Europe. ‘He wants guaranteed first-team football but he can guarantee that, his performance the other night can guarantee that. We’re trying our best because he’s such a match-winning player and capable of scoring the most incredible goals.’
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Shimo said:
We would pay 17m plus whatever salary for Young but, only ask for half the amount for Nani? If that's really the case then the club really boggles my mind sometimes.
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One year left on his contract.

This was always going to the case. If we had sold him last summer we would have gotten a much better price.

Also perhaps if loads of other clubs were in for him, they could sell for more. But that does not seem to be the case
 
CapeTownRed said:
We bought Young with 1 year left on his contract, no?
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I had forgotten that. But it still comes down to demand.

If a few clubs went in for him we would be able to negotiate a better deal. If not we have to sell him now or lose him for free next year.
 
MoneyMay said:
I've asked many this, but I'm still yet to find a viable answer. Many people said that Nani was poor or inconsistent in 11/12, the season before last, but I don't know how anyone can take this view. He was arguably our best player in the first half of the season, he produced a great performance vs. Basel, only for Rooney to miss a great chance. The worst game he had was definitely against Manchester City in the 1-6 defeat, where Clichy was defensively alert. In the second half of the season (at the start), he was decent. Against Wigan, he played in a more central role and looked good - I remember the Caf loving the way he played. He ripped Djourou apart vs. Arsenal in our 1-2 at the Emirates, though his decision making was awful. And then he picked up an injury in this game which more or less "ended his season". He came back vs. Aston Villa and scored. He produced a very good display vs. Everton in the 4-4. He scored 10 goals and had 14 assists. If that's what inconsistency is, I'm baffled. He was inconsistent last season, but you can tell his mentality wasn't at its finest. We should be looking at £20m if we want to sell him, which is fairly realistic. I look at every other winger in the world and every single one of them is inconsistent. It's really hard to appease fans, especially in the system we implement I believe.
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I suspect it's because of the way he ended the last couple months of the season (on the bench). Quite often the latter part of the season is what people remember.
 
I'm surprised Arsenal aren't sniffing around. They should know firsthand of his abilities, and they could always use wingers.
 
£8.5 mil? Thats all we are asking for? fecking bargain for whoever snaps the cnut up.
 
If he does go, what sort of price are people expecting at least (I personally think £8.5 mil is a joke)? Maybe £15 mil? Also, hasn't he got only 2 years left on his contract?
 
I refuse to believe he is going that cheap.. Did he do a shit on Moyes' desk or something?
 
I don't see why he was so out of favour, I don't think he is the messiah, but you name 10 players that play from the left wing for us (as Nani tends to) who are CLEARLY better, there are a lot of 'similar abilities', would you say there is a clear cut 10 above him?
 
If true, it's surprising that there are no takers even at £8.5m.

I actually don't believe that. We should get £10m-£12m at the minimum for him.
 
Shinjisan said:
If true, it's surprising that there are no takers even at £8.5m.

I actually don't believe that. We should get £10m-£12m at the minimum for him.
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Quick sell. If he stays until end of summer, that is another million on wages for him. People concentrate too much on the fee at times.
 
Wow, 8.5M for Nani is more than a steal. We sure feck up the market value for out of favour players often. He's way more valuable than that. I think he deserves more opportunities. Maybe SAF appreciated Valencia more because of his commitment towards the club by being agentless. I personally don't want Nani sold and at this cost it's just infuriating. He has to sign a new contract under the new manager. A new environment at the same club will definitely help him regain his form.
 
Shinjisan said:
True. Though it still sounds like a bargain. Unfortunately for us, no one is very keen on it.
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People are too bothered about the fee. Fact is he's only worth what a buyer is prepared to pay.

He's a talented player, but one who's had a poor season and hasnt kicked on to where many thought he would. Some people on here go on as if he's a world class player - but he wasnt even a regular in the United side last season, even with Valencia in such poor form.

If he was the player a lot on here seem to think he is he'd have had clubs queued up round the block for him and the club could auction him off to the highest bidder - as it stands it seems likely he'll end up in Turkey. I think that tells you a lot.
 
Colin129 said:
So the 3 best players in the World are better than him then, there's a surprise.
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Then don't ask a stupid question? you asked me to name 3, I did.

There are plenty of players who are 'on par' with him but have come off of more favourable seasons, either way my point is that I feel there isn't anyone outside the 3 of Bale, CR and Messi who can say, I am better than Nani. Perhaps more on form, but then there has been questions over SAF and Nani previously, as to whether he fell out of favour etc, I just want to get behind someone is currently a Manchester United player..

FWIW, he was and is one of my favourite current players in the squad, I'll never forget that juggle against Arsenal... Reminded me of Kerlon..
 
OnlyTwoDaSilvas said:
Surprised about the price. He's younger than Jesus Navas, who has cost City double that. I also think Nani is a much more talented player
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Hard to prove now, Nani has started only 11 premier league games since January 2012. He hasn't featured consistently at all for us, and with that taken into consideration plus the year left in his contract, we set a fee to allow both us and him to move on quickly.

Plus we can never compare prices City willingly pay for players. Add an extra 2 or 3 mill ontop of what they pay, as clubs know try have it in abundance.
 
He was injured for most of the feckin season. He never got going. Yes he is a world class player. He has the stats and performances to back it up. He can do things on the pitch that no player on the current United team can do. United is better with him. Trust me.
 
RedDevilCanuck said:
He was injured for most of the feckin season. He never got going. Yes he is a world class player. He has the stats and performances to back it up. He can do things on the pitch that no player on the current United team can do. United is better with him. Trust me.
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My point is, what club would go out and buy a player for 15million when he hasn't displayed his talents in quite a long time. The buying club have a better bargaining tool than us. They know his contract situation, they know he hasn't played due to injuries, they know he hasn't displayed his form when played, and they know we don't want him. This drives his price down.

At the end of the day, that's it. I'd love him to be apart of the team and stay, but this is now a business decision since he is deemed surplus by the footballing side.
 
It would be a good business decision to pay him more money simply because he is young, proven, and there isn't a player out there that can adequately replace him. None of us know for sure, but if he really is being paid what Young is, he has a right to be pissed if you ask me.
 
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