PuNanis? Lots going around
Luis Nani | 2013/14 Performances
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If this was a question of quality then Nani would be here no doubt, he is good enough to play week in week out. The more important issue is his new contract he is in a poor bargaining position he has not come of a good season personally, he knows what he is worth and doesn't want to accept less than that and I respect that. Those saying give Valencia a chance but get rid of Nani I wonder what you have been watching Nani in a season where he has been injured and played less has still been better than Valencia whose main assets are speed, strength and workrate. He seems to me to have lost a yard and so his limitations are showing I like his hardwork and endeavor but he is not good enough for the highest level. Nani has has two good seasons before this one yet fans are calling him inconsistent? When he is playing consistently he is one of the best wingers in the league he has proven that. Us selling him means getting a replacement who will cost more and be on bigger wages most likely as well as needing to settle in. Young, Valencia and Zaha can't be are wingers next season. They are not good enough.
Ferguson was always harsher on him than others hopefully Moyes sees what he can do but I doubt it.
Ferguson was always harsher on him than others hopefully Moyes sees what he can do but I doubt it.
Nani set to make decision on Manchester United future
Manchester United winger Nani is set to make a decision shortly on whether he is to stay at Old Trafford next season.
Nani's contract with United expires next year and talks over a new deal have stalled with speculation linking him with a move away.
Sir Alex Ferguson had often defended the Portuguese star but the arrival of David Moyes as the new manager has further clouded the issue of the player's future.
When asked about his plans after Portugal's 1-0 win over Russia on Friday, Nani told RTP: "I have not yet decided where I am going or if I am going.
"In the next few days I will decide my future."
The 26-year-old joined United from Sporting Lisbon in the summer of 2007 and has made more than 200 appearances for the Red Devils.
Manchester United winger Nani is set to make a decision shortly on whether he is to stay at Old Trafford next season.
Nani's contract with United expires next year and talks over a new deal have stalled with speculation linking him with a move away.
Sir Alex Ferguson had often defended the Portuguese star but the arrival of David Moyes as the new manager has further clouded the issue of the player's future.
When asked about his plans after Portugal's 1-0 win over Russia on Friday, Nani told RTP: "I have not yet decided where I am going or if I am going.
"In the next few days I will decide my future."
The 26-year-old joined United from Sporting Lisbon in the summer of 2007 and has made more than 200 appearances for the Red Devils.
Jesus I am gonna start crying here in a minute, poor poor Nani who is a top top winger but bad old Fergie couldn't see what he was worth and treated him horribly not giving him what he deserves and this new manager isn't likely to see how brilliant Nani is either cos........ cos why actually? Why would you decide that? Also why do Nani supporters always assume that it is the club that are being unreasonable in Nani's contract negotiations. The rest of the squad seem happy enough so how come when this individual can't come to an agreement it is somehow assumed that the club are doing him wrong. Perhaps he is asking for wages he does not deserve? What is the club supposed to do then?
Why do people always go OTT in their responses
where all United fans and I assume old enough to talk to each other without being condescending. In regards to the wages we have been told he wants as much as Ashley Young. If you don't think he deserves that then I don't no what to say to you. Like I said he is coming off a bad season to really be making demands but he is a good player he has proven this. Two good season followed by an injured ravaged bad poor one. It is not like we have the quality out wide to be sending good players away. He does not get as many chances when playing poorly as Valencia, Young or Rooney. He has been injured this season and has shown more than Valencia and Yong who have played much more. Financially it does not make sense to me. The money we will get for him and the wage increase he wants will be much less than the fees for a new winger and their new wages which will be more than Young's. What has the rest of the squad got to do with this? I treat each situation according to the facts I see. I feel Nani should stay.Fergie rates him, he started against Madrid but this contract situation has taken over I think that is why he has not played as much, but for me he deserves as much of a chance as Valencia has had. Football is a career not charity player's only have a certain time period earning the money they do so they need to maximize this. I don't get when fans are surprised that players want more money it is their JOB.
Why do people always go OTT in their responses
Fergie rates him, he started against Madrid but this contract situation has taken over I think that is why he has not played as much, but for me he deserves as much of a chance as Valencia has had. Football is a career not charity player's only have a certain time period earning the money they do so they need to maximize this. I don't get when fans are surprised that players want more money it is their JOB.
Show me where this has stated as fact by the club or Nani's agent or anybody but some paper stirring the shite and I will apologize for being condescending but otherwise it is hard not to get pissed off when people base there opinion on hearsay and papertalk.
Listen the club never comes out to tell us how much a player is getting after his first contract but there is always a figure floating. That is the one that has consistently been mentioned so I will go with it. We knew how much Rio was holding out for how much Keano was and roughly how much Rooney was. I don't get why Nani should be any different. This kind of info is not so hard to get. Anyway that is my opinion on the Nani situation you are of course free to disagree.
So you stick with an opinion based on hearsay and I'll stick with my condescending tone, fair enough.
Agreed, it's lazy. We've seen the real deal already, but a pretty malicious tackle and a string of injuries/seemingly harsh exclusions have hampered him massively. This isn't to say that he's been perfect and without fault, but it's frustrating to read stuff like that when Nani has been indisputably top drawer for us over the course of a year. He's reached greater heights than any of our other wingers since Ronaldo was here and has held that level for a considerable period of time.
His head is not right and it has been obvious when he has got back in the side with some pretty poor displays. Whether these exclusions are harsh are not we don't know but my first instinct is to back the clubs stance not the individuals.
I hope he stays. New Boss, new start. It seems to be well documented that Fergie really seemed to pile alot of pressure on Nani and expected more from him than alot of players. He's obviously not Ronaldo II, but he's still an utterly talented player. I think he would be more suited to a Moyes team than Valencia, but that's purely based on the shape and style Everton played. We won't really know what Moyes is planning until we see some pre-season games I suppose. I think Fergie leaving could be the best thing for Nani if he stays though. Clean slate for everyone to impress the new boss, and Nani is arguably amongst the most naturally gifted players in the squad with his trickery, control, comfortably two footed and an excellent striker of the ball. I think he's got alot more in his locker which he can use to impress Moyes and get back into the starting 11.
I agree he has not been as bad as the majority seem to think. Before this year he was good for us and was player of the year and in the team of the year. He has impressed more than Nani and Valencia even this season he started against Real ffs. Maybe he needs to go somewhere else and have a new start. He's always had the Ronaldo comparison over his head. It will cost a lot to replace him because when/if he leaves our quality of winger drops.
Did stress previously in the thread that there's every chance he's been playing up massively; I'm just going off surface impressions. If he has been a massive wanker then the club have been right to take such a stance.
I'm just saying that if it isn't to do with that (if such and such a set of demands haven't been made, that is to say), then the whole episode comes off as being a little unreasonable on our part. The Valencia/Nani comparison has been hammered on about to no end but it is correct to draw the comparison.
Good post.
As you're new I'd advise you to be prepared for a summer of complete drivel and nonsense on here regarding anything to do with transfers or contracts!
Watched him last night against Russia, made good cameo on the left, kept the ball very well, had one or two good dribbles, one shot that woke Akinfeev, but it went wide.
Seems like people believe what they want to believe. There were rumours that he fecked off Anzhi last summer because he wanted to stay at United, even tough they were offering him lots of money(even people from Anzhi confirmed they wanted him), but yet most of the people who don't like him too much say he is greedy and that all this is just because of money. Ridiculous.
Seems like people believe what they want to believe. There were rumours that he fecked off Anzhi last summer because he wanted to stay at United, even tough they were offering him lots of money(even people from Anzhi confirmed they wanted him), but yet most of the people who don't like him too much say he is greedy and that all this is just because of money. Ridiculous.
To be fair clubs rarely give information on wages and in transfers. From every report I have seen, Nani is after 130k per week, and from every report I have seen Young is in the same.
Thanks, I know what the Caf can be like,check the join date, I rarely post but I love Redcafe.
I don't know whether he is greedy or not but it seems he is in disagreement with the club as to his worth and that is about all we know, everything else is guess work and shite stirring.
All those reports could stem from one bullshit article hacked ages ago, a lot of journalists are lazy buggers who regurgitate some lie they read previously as fact and then it is repeated on here ad nauseam as if it's an accepted truth.
I think we should be able to just bring down Ashley Young's salary to 10k above Nani's, than they can both have the same. All solved.
Whoever negotiated Young's contract is a f*ckin genius.
Whoever negotiated Young's contract is a f*ckin genius.
It's unstoppable apparently.
First you say it seems to you but, then we should all know it as fact? You've said people shouldn't go on hearsay but, where is the definitive statement from the club or Nani to back up the point you are stating as fact? Yes, there have been reports that there has been disagreement in what he is being offered but, isn't that speculation as much as the speculation that he is asking for about's what Young is getting and isn't getting it?
I'm confused now also, I thought he was defending Nani, so I quoted him to say I agree, and now he writes this.
That is why I used the word seems rather than is you tool, because I am not 100% sure. As for the rest of your post it is also a load of pedantic nonsense.
Do you find yourself confused a lot? I find reading back through the thread a little bit before posting helps.
Nani doesn't have that United vibe about him, good player but not fond of him anymore. I doubt Moyes will put up with him for too long either
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Congrats on featuring in my Redcafe username though young Portuguese, a feat achieved only by a handful
That is 99% of the transfer forum and an ever increasing % of the other footy forums. Actual football plays a smaller and smaller part in football discussion.
I keep hearing this bullshit about Young's contract. If we are basing our opinions on paper talk then a fair amount have also stated the reason his wage is so high is because his signing on payment was spread over his contract rather than upfront.
To be fair, what else can you base it on? Clubs don't publicly release wages correct?
You can't base it on anything. Which basically means people are saying the club are being idiots based on some guy on twitter.
To be fair, it is the summer. There is no actual football to talk about.
I personally think the whole transfer thing is actually quite fun. About 94 teams in England every year don't win a trophy so the signing of a good player is something to look forward to and speculate over.
Worse. Some guy from the Mirror.
I remember a few years back one of the Times journos doing a piece where he basically gave the background to how transfer stories are written. He gave the example of a PL player moving for a decent sized fee. They spoke to his agent and he claimed he had gotten him something like £100k p/w. He spoke to the club he'd signed for and they said it was closer to £50k. He spoke to the selling club and they were given to understand it was slightly over £60k. Bottom line, they all have an agenda. The real figures are often going to be clouded in spin. That and the fact that basic salaries aren't the whole picture any more.
Obviously you can. The difference being your basis can be something solid or absolute hogwash.
And people lap it up and use it to back up whatever agenda they are pushing. Instead of a simple wages dispute we get all this unsubstantiated nonsense muddying the waters.
Give it a chance, this could be a really good summer, new manager is going to make some signings and some present players will probably move on . Much different than previous seasons where we are holding on until the final few days of the transfer window to finalize one big deal.The repetition and over analyzing can be unbearable in those situations but hopefully there will be more happening this summer. It has the potential to be quite exciting really.
Cheers Al, I was wondering what all the sunshine was about. Signings are good, speculation amid so much bullshit about signings is beyond me.
Yeah, same applies, the reality is that last summer we signed two cracking players so what constitutes a really good summer in your opinion. lot's of chat preceding the signing? The excitement comes when they sign. For me anyway. The information you are otherwise basing your excitement on is lies and bullshit to sell papers, ads, players. It makes the X Factor look like a high brow to spend your time.
That's not the way it works. You don't pick a theory and then look for something to base it on. It's the other way around, you base theories on what you know.
Totally agree...he was a player of the season two terms ago! Sure, he didn't have the best of times last season, but most of the players at united over the years have off seasons.....even Giggsy!!
Well it may not be a theory at that point but it doesn't mean it's something people do not do. In different religions people spin religious texts to suit their own agendas. Although it's "based" on the religious text, using what many would construe as an invalid or not very sound interpretation of the text in one sense makes it baseless. I feel there are lots of examples where someone makes up an idea and then uses something which resonates with people as a form of manipulation or persuasion.
What we are seeing in this scenario is not so dissimilar from the Wayne Rooney one. Posters are acting on presumptions about Young's wage. Each party (selling club, agent, journalist, buying club) most likely won't cite the correct figure as they each are serving their own interests. Therefore, it doesn't matter if the reported figures don't match the actual ones. Won't change the fact that some people feel the 125k figure for Young is plausible since it's been used consistently by different sources. Is it plausible? It seems so when you have papers reporting Rooney's wage from anywhere in the neighborhood of 180-250k a week.
All this to say is the news fuels these transfer stories because they know people will buy into them. I'm going to post an article I came across last night which I think is very fitting for what we're seeing nowadays. It offers good perspective into how the transfer rumour mill even began. Although I'm going to post it in the Rooney thread as there's a certain application of the article I found more apt for that thread.
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