Luis Nani | 2012/13 Performances

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Brophs said:
One year left on his deal and we're freezing him out, so I think we'll be lucky to get £10m. Which is a ridiculous fee for someone so talented.
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True. Someone is going to get a great deal because if Nani can be bothered, he'll be a star at the new club. I feel he'll move to an exotic destination like Zenit, Galatasaray or Dynamo Kyiv for better wages and disappear completely. A club like Inter or Atletico would be a perfect fit for him.
 
Fergie did this with Berbatov who he froze out for his last season even though he should have sold him earlier.

Same will happen with Nani - Nani is a player who should command £20m+ but we will get circa £10m. However we have a new negotiator and is his skills in doing marketing deals are anything to go by we may get that £20m.
 
Brophs said:
One year left on his deal and we're freezing him out, so I think we'll be lucky to get £10m. Which is a ridiculous fee for someone so talented.
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This I simply don't understand.

He played that half where SAF said he knew that Nani was going to win it for us. He played well for 150 mins against Real, the following game he played well but got injured.

Then he has a slightly dodgy 25 odd mins, even though he was still producing some decent end product after the poor start, was taken off & now he's frozen out.

Basically he played well in 4 matches & had a poor 25 mins & he's offski.

None of it makes any sense to me.
 
Its like everyone has a few games to produce consistency, but if Nani doesn't do it in a 10th of the time the others have, he gets frozen out and doesn't get in the XI ..

Whenever he is on the bench, I feel it's to entertain the others perhaps, because I know even 1-0 down at 88 mins, more chances of Giggs coming on...
 
Adebesi said:
Maybe he isnt being frozen out. I thought he was being frozen out before but then he started in some of our biggest matches of the season, and played well. So maybe he just isnt 100%.
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Then why put him on the bench for every game? Its clear he isn't going to come on.... It's been going on too long now I think for the explanation to be as simple as 'Maybe he just isn't 100%'
 
In fairness, it's hard to expect him to get equal treatment if, by virtue of his contractual situation, he's (whether perceived or otherwise) less committed to us in the long term.
 
Jaybezia said:
Granted but all we can do is speculate from an uniformed POV
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Fergie has spoken about how he wants Nani to stay and how wants guaranteed first team football.

‘Definitely we want to keep him,’ said the United manager yesterday. ‘He’s one of the best match-winners in the game and I’m including the whole of Europe.
‘He wants guaranteed first-team football but he can guarantee that, his performance the other night can guarantee that. We’re trying our best because he’s such a match-winning player and capable of scoring the most incredible goals.’
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ract-Manchester-United-Sir-Alex-Ferguson.html

So I think that, unless there's a footballing issue which hasn't been reported, that the contractual issue is what's harming his chances of getting in the first team regularly. Obviously being picked for the Madrid game might be seen as refuting that, but I'd tend to think it was more a double-edged one of needing what he offered and trying to show him what he'd be missing.

Personally that's why I think Valencia has been afforded plenty of chances to play himself back into form. Fergie thinks that Nani won't be here next season, in which case he doesn't see the benefit of playing himself back into form when he isn't part of the long term thinking.
 
Wow I hadn't seen that, so from that SAF seem's quite negative really, knowing how he usually addresses things/subjects, that seems awfully negative IMO...

Yea I completely agree, like he did with Pogba in a sense, he could have had a few more games, but SAF believed he was off, hence didn't play him.... People will point to this IF he goes as 'well SAF Should have given him games'. when in reality, SAF knew chances are he was leaving and gave game time to our other wide players, in which case, I would expect...
 
Colin129 said:
But he was back in the side & playing well Brophs.

He had a poor 25 mins & was, apparently, binned.

That's what I don't understand.
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Because if SAF has decided he think's he is off, why would he put up with 5 minutes of bad performances? He doesn't want to afford him time, if he plays brilliantly, brilliant. It seems to me SAF is being very short with him but I unfortunately think Nani has one eye on the door already...
 
Fergie doesnt tell the whole truth - no need, he does what he feels is best for the club. The club then Fergie then the players.
 
Contra: Play Acting. And then they show a clip of the Carragher tackle. Yup, that was some real bad playacting, wasnt it?.......
 
As always it's hard to interpret Fergie's quotes. One possible interpretation is that Nani has made demands of a certain kind: Guarantee that I'll start - and I will sign the contract. In other words, he doesn't necessarily want more money (we don't know what contract he has been offered - but it's bound to be more lucrative than the one he's already on), but more minutes. And this, in its turn, means that Fergie isn't freezing him out, Berba style (the latter notion is frankly incompatible with the fact that he has started some of the biggest games of the season, but nevermind) - he's just refusing to give Nani the guarantee he's after. Which is as fair as it gets if you ask me - of course Fergie isn't giving out guarantees of that nature.

If he plays well enough, he'll start. That's the only guarantee he'll ever get. That's what Fergie's saying in the quote above, ain't it? If that's not enough for Nani - he's off. Nothing much anyone can do about this - apart from Nani himself.

(Disclaimer: The interpretation itself may be wrong, of course.)
 
Chesterlestreet said:
As always it's hard to interpret Fergie's quotes. One possible interpretation is that Nani has made demands of a certain kind: Guarantee that I'll start - and I will sign the contract. In other words, he doesn't necessarily want more money (we don't know what contract he has been offered - but it's bound to be more lucrative than the one he's already on), but more minutes. And this, in its turn, means that Fergie isn't freezing him out, Berba style (the latter notion is frankly incompatible with the fact that he has started some of the biggest games of the season, but nevermind) - he's just refusing to give Nani the guarantee he's after. Which is as fair as it gets if you ask me - of course Fergie isn't giving out guarantees of that nature.

If he plays well enough, he'll start. That's the only guarantee he'll ever get. That's what Fergie's saying in the quote above, ain't it? If that's not enough for Nani - he's off. Nothing much anyone can do about this - apart from Nani himself.

(Disclaimer: The interpretation itself may be wrong, of course.)
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Valencia & Young...
 
Colin129 said:
Valencia & Young...
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Agreed. It's not down to form, else Valencia and Young would have been taken out and shot after periods of this season, or dropped for far longer than they were. Despite both being dropped at points, they've on the whole had far more chances and been given starts after more than just one bad game. They also didn't have the injury issues Nani has had this season, and as such he needed a run of games to build up form/confidence/fitness, not random starts and the odd 15 minutes every now and then. The contract definitely plays a massive part in why he isn't playing, which I fully accept - but then let's call it was it is, it's based on that, not because he played terrible against Chelsea or because he hasn't "taken his chances" in the games he has featured in. If there was no contract issue, he would have started more games than Young or Valencia, easily. I find it's a very hard thing to expect from Nani when he's played just 10 league games so far, and those aren't even starts.
 
Colin129 said:
Valencia & Young...
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Yes, you could say that. They've been underwhelming all three of 'em, and I personally would've preferred Nani over both the others at times. But the point is that IF Nani has asked Fergie for a guarantee to start - he won't get it. And IF he has asked him for such a guarantee it's probably not the wisest move in terms of getting on the old man's good side. Something's up between the two of them, that's obvious - but I don't buy this "Fergie has frozen him out" angle at all. He started against Real - you don't start against Real if the manager has frozen you out,
 
Bebé: "Alex Ferguson is always complaining with Nani. Maybe because he always expected him to be the new Cristiano Ronaldo."

Not really sure what interview this is from, Doron Soloman retweeted it from a Portuguese journalist named Joao Ruela.

There really isn't that much to read in to it but it is interesting nonetheless.
 
gza the genius said:
Bebé: "Alex Ferguson is always complaining with Nani. Maybe because he always expected him to be the new Cristiano Ronaldo."

Not really sure what interview this is from, Doron Soloman retweeted it from a Portuguese journalist named Joao Ruela.

There really isn't that much to read in to it but it is interesting nonetheless.
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Sounds like a post from Mungy.
 
To be fair here's the complete answer. Doesn't look that bad.

It is a coach who intimidates players, as some say?
"No, nothing. Scolds when a player is just to help out, feel that this player can give more. For example, with Nani this happened often. Mr. Ferguson always found a fault in everything that Nani did. Probably because he thought he could reach the level of Cristiano Ronaldo. "

Translated from Portuguese.
 
That was a bit sad.

You'll get bitched at for mentioning it though.
 
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