Bit of a tall order I think. Nani's not not big enough to hold the club to ransom like Rooney was, so he's never going to beat Fergie in a contract dispute. The only way I see Nani having any future here is if he takes whatever's being offered now and apologises to the boss. Maybe then next season we could get the best of what Nani can offer, but I doubt it.
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Bit of a tall order I think. Nani's not not big enough to hold the club to ransom like Rooney was, so he's never going to beat Fergie in a contract dispute. The only way I see Nani having any future here is if he takes whatever's being offered now and apologises to the boss. Maybe then next season we could get the best of what Nani can offer, but I doubt it.
I agree with you, I'd like him to accept what the club are offering (not that we know with any degree of certainty what that is mind!) or meet in the middle, because his performances haven't really gone any way towards convincing the club to change their stance. Put performance related incentives in there if need be. As much as I'd like him to it's looking more unlikely that he will stay I must admit.
Good post
Of those 19 starts, Valencia has also had to play right back at times. It doesn't fit with the current caf mantra though.
Exactly. If he had played exceptionally well when given the chance, his bargaining chips would be much better than what they are now. Unfortunately, this season he came across as expendable. If he agrees to the new contract and plays very well, I think Fergie will reward him for that. Either way, we normal workers struggle to get a 50 cents an hour raise!
What games did he start as right-back? Off the top of my head I can only recall the FA Cup game at Chelsea.
I agree though, he doesn't seem undroppable. But people are frustrated because, well, his presence on the pitch seems pointless almost every time he's picked these days.
I'm not sure where the "undroppable" thing has come from, as we have chopped and changed all season with Kagawa, Welbeck, Rooney, Nani, Valencia, Young, Giggs and even Cleverley playing wide, agreed.
I'd be quite happy if other players who he was competing with were firing on all cylinders or even playing decent. But in terms of the players who have been utilised on the wings Kagawa has been wholly disappointing on the left, Valencia has been absolute dog-shit, Young has consistently been poor and Welbeck's attacking effectiveness can be summed up in his stats.
I accept that when off form players like Young, Valencia and Welbeck probably do more for the team defensively (although I firmly believe that particularly the former two this season put us under more defensive pressure because of their inability to carry the ball forward, usually favouring playing it backwards and inviting pressure onto our defence), but against the majority of teams I don't believe we need to provide that much cover for our full backs. This season instead of Valencia/Young I firmly believe we may as well have played Jones/Smalling behind Rafael and Buttner behind Evra. We'd have probably gotten more offensively and defensively.
I can genuinely only imagine that Nani has fallen out with Fergie (whether due to his contract situation or otherwise). It is too patently obvious that he should be starting every single game he is fit for, given the fact that he has been so much more productive than his "competitors". He is in better form (not exactly difficult), he is a better player and he is far more productive.
I'd say he's almost certainly off in the Summer (unless we can't find a club willing to pay the price), which is why Fergie would prefer to play the aforementioned players back into form.
Yet you're the one who can't put a coherent response together, as per usual.
I agree. Started the season poorly, got injured for what seemed like ages then he came back focused and positive and went on a run of three or four really good performances then got injured again and had a poor game at Stamford Bridge and now SAF just seems a bit fed up. Unfortunately this season was a bit of a write-off and we dont know whats gone on behind the scenes but like you said if he accepts the offer and goes on a great run next season it'd be rewarded. Would be nice to see that happen but I'm not sure how likely it is anymore
Everton on the opening day and I'm pretty sure there was another that for the time being has slipped my memory. Ultimately he's started less than 60% of the games in his position in the league.
No Nani for west ham.
Either way he's been shit when he's played on the wing.
Sir Alex said a 20 man squad. Adding the bench makes it 18, i remember seeing Nani arrive with the rest of the squad at Stoke.
Oh ok, i hope you are correct!
I suppose if Nani had 3-4 years left on his contract and also had shown the form of seasons previous to this(and perhaps if he'd played the number of games this season that he had played in recent seasons, then he probably would have produced better form) then we'd command a sizeable fee. As things stand, I'd like him to stay as well. Perhaps Zaha will settle quicker than people might imagine, and perhaps Fergie has his eyes on another top winger.
What I would say though that of the trio of Nani, Valencia and Young, it would have to be Young that has underwhelmed the most if you take their overall United careers into account. I know that Nani and Valencia have been at the club a lot longer but they have shown their worth more than Young, they have been club player of the season or had seasons where they have been one of the best players. Young was a considerably more experienced player than either of those two when he arrived at the club as well, Nani came as a 20 year old from Portugal. Valencia has had a disappointing season but should be given next season to see if he can rediscover his form(look at people like Carrick, Evans, Fletcher etc in the past).
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He is gone.
I can't explain Tony V starting every game if not.
I can't explain Tony V starting every game if not.
Ferguson doesn't like him. Get over it, this thread is like a bloody broken record. Everytime he doesn't start some brain dead fart comes in and posts 'he's gone' for the 20th time.
It was more the point that there is no other explanation to Valencia starting all the time in his current form. I don't check this thread non stop, it was probably my first time saying that.
You continue with that period though.
So looks like he is off? You wonder why he is not invoved anymore
I wish he didn't like Valencia.
well he doesn't trust him in tight games that's for certain. Valencia was noticeably fatigued near the end and since we were carrying the play I was hoping he would come on but wasn't to be.
Have to wonder now if he'll even get a game for the rest of season!
No no no no, this thread is the funniest thread in the history of the internet.
If Nani goes will you go too mungy? If so I'd have no issues with it.
Would have been ideal tonight against a stretched West Ham, instead we threw on Giggs.
Time to leave I think Nani.
Time to leave I think Nani.
Fergie indulges some players but is ruthless with others.
What a senseless waste
I thought he might have got on tonight as it was obvious we needed to alter the left side, but then Giggs appeared on the touchline, it'll be interesting to see if he plays again.
Nani not allowed.
This reminds me of the Pogba situation last year (or at least this is what I've tried to convince myself of as there is no other obvious answer as to why the chap isn't playing regularly.) Pogba was getting his customary run-outs in games that were petering out and every United fan was convinced he was going to sign the new contract, and this was Fergie's way of convincing Pogba himself. Then, almost remarkably, these subsititute appearances stopped and he even stopped featuring in squads altogether. United fans (in the dark like we are with Nani now) were perplexed at his treatment but Fergie knew Pogba's mind was elsewhere so Fergie practically "punished" him for this and he never played for the first-team again.
I think Nani's situation is starting to develop a similar pattern as there are no valid reasons why the likes of Valencia and Giggs are getting so much game-time ahead of him recently. I think Nani is off this summer and Fergie knows it too, hence the cold-shouldering. Sad if true, but that's modern football for you.
I think Nani's situation is starting to develop a similar pattern as there are no valid reasons why the likes of Valencia and Giggs are getting so much game-time ahead of him recently. I think Nani is off this summer and Fergie knows it too, hence the cold-shouldering. Sad if true, but that's modern football for you.
When Nani can't get gametime with Rooney playing so rubbish, one thinks that there must be more to it than poor form.
I've completely given up on ever seeing Nani play for us really. We're chasing a victory and you have someone like Nani on the bench who can turn a game and he's not brought on. I think it's fairly obvious he's off now and to be honest, I'll be happy for him. He's a far better footballer than Young and Valencia and Welbeck or even Kagawa on the wings and yet he just doesn't get a chance so yes, he might as well move on.
17 outings out of about 50 for Nani this seasons says it all really.
He was injured for about half of those. So it doesn't say it all.
Of course it does. He's been fit for the last few games and didn't get a look even with our wingers in terrible form. He'll be off in the Summer, it's clear.
The majority of time at least one of our other wingers has been fit this season, Nani's been on the bench.
Is Nani fit right now ? He's returning from a hamstring injury so we might be being careful.
Not sure, but i remember it being a recurrence of the one that kept him out for 2 months. If he is holding something back in training and games because it's not quite 100% yet, he won't play. That's more hope than anything for a player i don't want to leave.
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