Hopefully we are in the hunt for a quality replacement if he is to be sold, Hazard and Moura level of ability.
Luis Nani | 2012/13 Performances
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I'm worried that we'll sell Nani and see him go on to be one of the world's best wingers at another club, similar to how Arjen Robben progressed after leaving Chelsea; Nani's capable of that imo. We'd be mad to sell him for any less that £24m.
Juve for 14.5m
We've basically won the title without him. People are over-rating his impact for us. He's a good player no doubt, and one that I thoroughly enjoy watching when he has his mojo (which isn't often sadly).
Plenty of good wingers about who can contribute as much as Nani has of late.
This is pretty much how I feel about Nani as well. I'd like to see him stay and be a great United player, but that's never going to happen for a number of reasons. I'll probably be sorry to him go, but we've coped better after losing players more talented than Nani.
Regarding the bolded....
We won the title without Ronaldo the season after he left, cause we have a very fecking good football team. I reckon we'd have probably even won the title this season without Rooney.
Amazing considering how shite all our wingers have been, we've basically won the league without wingers.
The way this is worded is bugging me. Do you regard 10/11 as the season after Ronaldo left us?
The season after, rather than the season he left us. Shit wording I know.
I had many better examples to give too, Beckham for one.
I don't get this argument that we have coped with loosing better players.
It's a team/squad game & loosing players like Beckham, Stam, RvN, Ronaldo, Keane & potentially Nani & even Rooney has, & will, weaken our squad, whether we cope with it or not.
It's a team/squad game & loosing players like Beckham, Stam, RvN, Ronaldo, Keane & potentially Nani & even Rooney has, & will, weaken our squad, whether we cope with it or not.
To be fair this season I don't think that is particularly saying much as I'd say we would have won the title if you took away any single player from our squad. It would be difficult to suggest that even the likes of RVP or Carrick are 12 points better than the next best player in their position.
I'd say the best single performance out of any of our winger's this season has been Nani, which given his shortfall in appearances in telling.
It's a very simplistic approach to take just thinking "losing a good player = weaker squad" what we do in the aftermath of losing that player determines whether the squad is stronger or weaker as a result.
If you go to the match threads where Nani has played...you will see so many comments about how frustrating he is interspersed with the odd..."nice play nani". It appears that when he isn't playing people question why but when he is people get frustrated with him. He's a bit of a dilemma that way...
Personally I think probably too much expectation was put upon him after Ronaldo left...
Personally I think probably too much expectation was put upon him after Ronaldo left...
I thought that's what you meant.It's obvious why we don't need to compare Ronaldo leaving to Nani's possible departure, but unless we sell him to another PL team I can't see it affecting our league form.
After watching Aguero jump tackle, studs up into Luiz and be allowed to finish the game while Nani gets a straight red for a perfectly legitimate attempt to control the ball, I'm really pissed off about how this game is officiated.
I will never suggest conspiracy because it's just not that. The problem is that referees are not held to account for inconsistent and incompetent performances.
I can excuse the occasional miss (Drogba offside or multiple Terry handballs) because sometimes the human eye and the brain don't connect, but both the Aguero and Nani situations were outrageously poorly judged.
Kompany clearly hauled down Torres.
Why is this sport so badly officiated so frequently?
I know this is the Nani thread, but Nani really did fukked by that Turkish ref. Yes, you have to move on, but my God it can't be easy to move on from that. I feel for the lad. Unless someone comes in with silly money or we pick up Ronaldo or Bale I say give Nani another season, which necessarily involves a new contract. If he holds out for silly money then off he goes to Galatsaray or some other godforsaken wasteland.
I will never suggest conspiracy because it's just not that. The problem is that referees are not held to account for inconsistent and incompetent performances.
I can excuse the occasional miss (Drogba offside or multiple Terry handballs) because sometimes the human eye and the brain don't connect, but both the Aguero and Nani situations were outrageously poorly judged.
Kompany clearly hauled down Torres.
Why is this sport so badly officiated so frequently?
I know this is the Nani thread, but Nani really did fukked by that Turkish ref. Yes, you have to move on, but my God it can't be easy to move on from that. I feel for the lad. Unless someone comes in with silly money or we pick up Ronaldo or Bale I say give Nani another season, which necessarily involves a new contract. If he holds out for silly money then off he goes to Galatsaray or some other godforsaken wasteland.
The match day thread is no place to go for rational debate and comments to be fair!
We've won the title without any of our wingers being in form. That's partly why our football has been pretty tumescent stuff.
Don't think we'd be in anything like the position we are in now without Van Persie, to be honest. Must be kept in mind that we've been without Kagawa for a big chunk of the season and that Van Persie probably got us about 15 points alone at the start. We looked absolutely shite at that point and he not only dragged us through it, but also provided us with momentum.
Other players have always stepped up I suppose but it would've taken a hell of a lot to match that contribution.
Refereeing in the modern game is a complete shambles.
It's 'whatever you're having yourself' - the ref makes up his own rules; and ignores those he doesn't feel like enforcing.
Many of the traditional rules of association football have died through neglect. What constitutes 'obstruction' in modern football? When did constant use of hands and arms - clutching, grabbing, arms across an opponents body, jersey pulling.... - become an accepted part of the game? Most refs can't even ensure that a 'wall' is ten yards away from a free kick.
It boggles the mind.Maybe if refs went through a proper education and training process, rather than the amateurish approach which currently prevails, we might hope for some uniformity and consistency. Although many amateur sports have far higher standards of officiating.
Kompany grabbed torres's shirt and lifted the bottom to his shoulder exposing his whole abdomen! It's like he went for an atomic wedgie but miss his underpants.
Refereeing in the modern game is a complete shambles.
It's 'whatever you're having yourself' - the ref makes up his own rules; and ignores those he doesn't feel like enforcing.
Many of the traditional rules of association football have died through neglect. What constitutes 'obstruction' in modern football? When did constant use of hands and arms - clutching, grabbing, arms across an opponents body, jersey pulling.... - become an accepted part of the game? Most refs can't even ensure that a 'wall' is ten yards away from a free kick.
Maybe if refs went through a proper education and training process, rather than the amateurish approach which currently prevails, we might hope for some uniformity and consistency. Although many amateur sports have far higher standards of officiating.
I suppose this belongs in another thread, but it came to mind here because it seems to me Nani has been the victim of a number of bad calls, more than his allotment, over the years. Am I right or am delusional in this regard?
Officiating in football, at least in Europe, is in crisis. It must be dealt with.
Explain this.
For example, has Welbeck had a good season in your view? He hasn't scored or assisted many, but his general play has been high quality. It is a team game, and the most important statistic is who wins, not who scores, or who assists.
Not for me. He's had some nice moments but for a lad as talented as he is, he really should be making more of a difference by creating and scoring. I think he's an absolutely brilliant footballer but he's currently let down massively by his composure in and around the box.
Is it possible that Nani was injured and that was the reason for his exclusion from the squad yesterday?
I doubt Fergie would leave Nani out in favour of 3 defenders who wouldn't play barring an injury, especially considering Valencia and Jones could be put in defence if need be, whereas Nani could've actually been needed. Not to mention it is very rare that we've had more than 2 defenders on the bench all season long (4 times) and it's not like we've had our usual defensive injury crisis this year.
I doubt Fergie would leave Nani out in favour of 3 defenders who wouldn't play barring an injury, especially considering Valencia and Jones could be put in defence if need be, whereas Nani could've actually been needed. Not to mention it is very rare that we've had more than 2 defenders on the bench all season long (4 times) and it's not like we've had our usual defensive injury crisis this year.
Exactly! We laugh at Sturridge, but even he (and bloody Downing) is more productive than Welbeck is this season. He isn't a winger as he lacks the explosive acceleration to beat a man (top speed is phenomenal though) and he isn't tricky enough either. He can be a great striker as he has all the required attributes, but his finishing lets him down. That may come in time though, but I doubt he will ever be a RVP in terms of goal scoring.
I fear that Nani may leave, but I hope it won't happen. I love flair players, and he is arguably the only one we have (the other two would be fullbacks, imo!!!!!) He has amazing skill on the ball, and when he is on form he looks as if his feet barely touch the grass when he runs. Lately, though, he looked a bit sluggish when he ran, a bit heavy, and his skills on the ball were rusty, at best. His first touch looked like Rooney out of form, and his short passing, which I normally find very good, was off also. Nevertheless, I still believe he can come good, and I fear that it will happen for another club. He still has the potential to be world class. If we sell him for less than Liverpool bought Downing, there is something fundamentally wrong with this world and we should all go into hibernation!
Much easier to assume the worst and say he's being shipped out.
You do realize you're talking shit, right?
What an absolute plonker you are. Do you not realise how stupid this post looks coming from you?
After the Chelsea game, and well, every poor Nani performance, I've fecking called it poor, I call a spade a spade whether I like a player or not. You on the other hand claim Valencia had a good game when 99% of other people think he's played shit... and then you make a fecking post like this. Seriously, what the flying feck!??!
You (as you said yourself) really are shite at 'this internet thing'. Only once did I go against the mainstream, which was stating Valencia had a poor game. I also acknowledged that and said I didn't give a shit if your opinion differed or not. In my opinion he had a decent game and I said so. I also once claimed Nani was 'ok' whereas he was being eaten alive on here but I'd wager it doesn't really fit your non-argument.
You really can't behave, do you?
There's also this:What an absolute plonker you are. Do you not realise how stupid this post looks coming from you?
After the Chelsea game, and well, every poor Nani performance, I've fecking called it poor, I call a spade a spade whether I like a player or not. You on the other hand claim Valencia had a good game when 99% of other people think he's played shit... and then you make a fecking post like this. Seriously, what the flying feck!??!
You really are having a nightmare here, I'm not calling you a Nani-hater or anything of that ilk, I'm simply saying that you are the last person who should be making a post like the one I quoted.
Surely even you can see the irony in you making that post?
That is a quite idiotic read of my post given that I said that the mst important statistic is who wins.
Obviously Welbeck needs to score more, but he has still contributed well. Valencia, young and Nani have all had worse seasons.
There is no way we're selling Nani with a year left on contract for less than we paid for Ashley Young with a year left on his contract.
BBC Sport Gossip - Apparently we are selling Rooney and Nani to PSG for 40 million...
Really? Can they not even come up with a more feasable transfer fee? I don't see how Rooney would go to PSG for less without Nani, considering their money...
Really? Can they not even come up with a more feasable transfer fee? I don't see how Rooney would go to PSG for less without Nani, considering their money...
I'd want at least 60-65 million for the both of them.
For all the talk of Nani's so called inconsistencies, you only have to go back about a year and he was one of our most productive and reliable performers. As someone said on the previous page when Nani is given a run of games he finds his form.
When you have players like Valencia who are apparently unstoppable regardless of form, and the likes of Rooney and RVP who are apparently I droppable just... Because.. There do seem to be some double standards going around with SAF.
For me there has to be some non-football reasons involved to make any sense of this. Nani is our best and highest potential winger. If he has been out of form this season it is because of injuries and then not being given a chance to get his form back, you can't expect him to do well if he never plays.
The other thing is even if we were going to sell him we are hardly putting him in the shop window currently. If he were playing and performing the. His price tag would increase enormously whereas currently it looks like he will be sold for a trivial amount, which is one thing SAF often does quite frustratingly.
If previous summers are anything to go by he will sell Nani for about £10m then we won't buy another winger, it will reach the end of August, we will look desperate and overspend on a player like downing
When you have players like Valencia who are apparently unstoppable regardless of form, and the likes of Rooney and RVP who are apparently I droppable just... Because.. There do seem to be some double standards going around with SAF.
For me there has to be some non-football reasons involved to make any sense of this. Nani is our best and highest potential winger. If he has been out of form this season it is because of injuries and then not being given a chance to get his form back, you can't expect him to do well if he never plays.
The other thing is even if we were going to sell him we are hardly putting him in the shop window currently. If he were playing and performing the. His price tag would increase enormously whereas currently it looks like he will be sold for a trivial amount, which is one thing SAF often does quite frustratingly.
If previous summers are anything to go by he will sell Nani for about £10m then we won't buy another winger, it will reach the end of August, we will look desperate and overspend on a player like downing
Instead of auctioning them off how about we just keep them both, get them to sign new deals so feel secure about their futures at the club, and then hope that without injuries and a good run in the team they both really perform for us next season, which they are more than capable of doing.
People argue that Rooney' performances have been underwhelming but he still has great goal/assist stats given how infrequently he's played, and Nani's goals and assists beats our other two wingers despite hardly featuring this season. Get them them both tied down and on a good run of games and I'm sure it'll be much better next season.
They're both confidence players to a certain extent, and as a team we look and play much better when both are on form. Might not happen but I'd much rather keep them here.
I presume you mean undroppable and I wish people would stop peddling this myth. Valencia has started 19 league games this season. Young has started 17. Out of 32. They've both been dropped plenty of times and would have expected to play a lot more football if they were anywhere near his best. By comparison Carrick, RvP and Evra have started 29 league games each. These are as close as we get in this era of huge squads to players that are "undroppable". That doesn't apply to any of our wingers. It has done in the past, mind you. Valencia started 29 games in 09/10.
Obviously, Fergie has probably had to pick both Nani and Young more than he would have wanted as neither Nani nor Kagawa have made a convincing case to start every game ahead of them. Of the four players that can play on the wings Nani has featured the least but he's missed more games through injury than anyone else (apart from, maybe, Kagawa?) and all this faffing around with a contract won't be helping his cause either.
I'd = I would. I would take £60m if offered, it's not necessarily what I want, but I wouldn't say no. How long should we keep players who don't perform or at least don't perform regularly? I'm looking at Anderson here mostly and Nani to a certain extent, but not Rooney. You've got to cut losses eventually so it might as well be at a time when you can get decent money for the player(s).
Anderson I can agree with, as much as the lad has potential it seems as if its never going to be realised for more than a period of a few games for whatever reason and its unfortunate.
Nani though, really? Player of the season just two seasons ago. We already know what an asset can be and has been. Admittedly this season was a write-off due to form, injury and the contract saga but how many of us think given security, a run of games and no injuries Nani can get back to his best?
I do and I'd like to see him do it here rather than somewhere else. Anderson is another case entirely.
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