Agree.
Move away from the more technical players to the head down get it in players? Why?
I'd prefer it if we bought a few more technical attacking midfielder midgets that can play across the line, but that's for another thread.
Luis Nani | 2012/13 Performances
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Agree.
Move away from the more technical players to the head down get it in players? Why?
I'd prefer it if we bought a few more technical attacking midfielder midgets that can play across the line, but that's for another thread.
It's enough to make you cry. Every time you watch Young and Valencia hesitiate to take on their man and kill our attacks and then you think of Nani dribbling his way past full backs and then you realize you'll be watching the former for all of next season, it really hurts.
Where did it all go wrong for Nani?
Turned his Utd career around a few years ago and looked like he would be one of out best players for years.
Things happen for a reason, I would love to know what his relationship is like with Fergie. I would pretty much guess that it is not very good.
I will be sorry to lose him but better players than Nani have left the club and we always end up a top team challenging, so as supporters we really shouldnt be as gutted as some are sounding.
Turned his Utd career around a few years ago and looked like he would be one of out best players for years.
Things happen for a reason, I would love to know what his relationship is like with Fergie. I would pretty much guess that it is not very good.
I will be sorry to lose him but better players than Nani have left the club and we always end up a top team challenging, so as supporters we really shouldnt be as gutted as some are sounding.
I'll be gutted because he'll go elsewhere, get the chances he deserves and he'll show us all how good he really is. A bit like Tevez really. We didn't give him chances here 2nd season and then he's gone on to be wonderful at City.
The Tevez situation was very different. For starters he was never our player.
I do wonder what is up with Nani though, somewhere along the line he and Fergie have fallen out.
Might be wage demands or demanding to play every game, who knows.
I do wonder what is up with Nani though, somewhere along the line he and Fergie have fallen out.
Might be wage demands or demanding to play every game, who knows.
Didn't Fergie blame him publicly for us going out of the League Cup earlier this season? I'm guessing that was the beginning of the end for him here.
How often has Nani dribbled past his full back in the last 18 months ? Valencia was our best winger all last season and all of our wingers performences have dropped off this season.
Such revisionism, he has been poor for over a year and is just as likely to cut inside on his left and slow play as Young is on the opposite side.
Aye it's quite a scary thought to be honest. Young, Valencia and Zaha is really underwhelming for a team that's always been well known for it's use of wingers. Gonna cross my fingers and hope we sign Bale or somebody but I cant see it. To make it worse we wont get much for Nani with only 12 months left on his contract, it's a shitty situation to be in to be honest.
I have no problem with him not being in the starting 11 at the moment though, that performance against Chelsea was an embarrassment.
Not forgetting Nanis last performance was worse than anything Val and Young have dished up.
At least they offer defensive protection, which is probably why they have been prefered more often.
At least they offer defensive protection, which is probably why they have been prefered more often.
The thing is, its a backwards step. We should be looking at signing more players like Nani, i.e technically gifted. Not selling them off. Players like Valencia and Young might be considered 'more reliable' (whatever the feck that means) but they're sure as hell not gonna make us as good as the Barca's and Bayern's of this world.
Just look at the stats. Neither Young or Valencia have scored all season (ALL season ffs!) while Nani only has one less assist then the other two's combined, having played far less football. Infact, Nani's stats work out something like a goal or assist every other games this season. Yet its Valencia who keeps getting runs in the team, and Nani dropped every time he has a bad match. Its absolutely baffling. This whole 'Valencia gets picked because you can rely on him' thing is nonsense. Rely on him to what? Not score, assist or doing anything productive going forward?
Sorry for the rant, but I find it so unbeliavbly irritating and stupid.
Just look at the stats. Neither Young or Valencia have scored all season (ALL season ffs!) while Nani only has one less assist then the other two's combined, having played far less football. Infact, Nani's stats work out something like a goal or assist every other games this season. Yet its Valencia who keeps getting runs in the team, and Nani dropped every time he has a bad match. Its absolutely baffling. This whole 'Valencia gets picked because you can rely on him' thing is nonsense. Rely on him to what? Not score, assist or doing anything productive going forward?
Sorry for the rant, but I find it so unbeliavbly irritating and stupid.
Well considering before that his performances were better than anything Val and Young have dished up.
Surely he has to be involved against West Ham on wednesday. Still his future looks pretty ominous now.
Surely he has to be involved against West Ham on wednesday. Still his future looks pretty ominous now.
Young and Valencia are not in the same bracket. This season all 3 have been poor but Valencia and Nani have performed to a high level before. Young hasn't for us, and i doubt whether he can.
Likewise, almost 2 seasons in and he hasn't lived up to the the price tag at all. He's almost always underwhelming.
I would love to see him involved on Wednesday.
I hope he can somehow turn this around. It doesnt look likely though.
See, this is the exact nonsense I'm on about.
Yes, Nani was crap against Chelsea. Nothing he tried came off. I'm not even gonna attempt to deny that. He was awful. But d'ya know what, at least he was actually trying to make somethign happen. Trying to get us a goal. Trying to create something. I'd far rather that, then the pathetic dross Valencia has treated us to this season, where he's become so pathetically scared of messing up, he's given up even trying to create anything for complete and utter fear of getting it wrong. Its beyond pathetic.
Couldn't agree more. The whole situation infuriates me. Nani has a poor game, and he's immediately dropped. Regardless of all other factors it seems. I.e. fitness, level of opposition, form of our other wingers etc.
In a lot of ways it is unfair when other players are playing as badly as he is at times and not being dropped, but then they aren't in the middle of a contract dispute and don't, if the papers are to be believed, have an iffy relationship with the manager, so it's not hard to see why the treatment might be different, even if you don't agree with it.
I don't necessarily agree that Fergie has never quite 'got' Nani, as some seem to be suggesting, but I do think that he does things that annoy Fergie and they don't seem to be able to iron those out. I remember after the away derby last season, a couple of reporters spoke about how disappointed Fergie was with his performance. Which, tbf, was poor, but certainly not worse than plenty of others, so him being singled out obviously had some wider context.
If I was in Fergie's position I'd probably start him every week, but perhaps that's why he's where he is and I have a laptop only barely good enough to run Football Manager.
I don't necessarily agree that Fergie has never quite 'got' Nani, as some seem to be suggesting, but I do think that he does things that annoy Fergie and they don't seem to be able to iron those out. I remember after the away derby last season, a couple of reporters spoke about how disappointed Fergie was with his performance. Which, tbf, was poor, but certainly not worse than plenty of others, so him being singled out obviously had some wider context.
If I was in Fergie's position I'd probably start him every week, but perhaps that's why he's where he is and I have a laptop only barely good enough to run Football Manager.
It had started to look good again with his little run in the team and then the injury 
It's unbelievable really.
It had started to look good again with his little run in the team and then the injury
I also don't really think he'll be sold.
Fergie said after his performance against Reading that he'll be a fix starter if he continues to perform that way. Then there was another injury. Probably still not 100% fit
Oh, oh. Cider is going to have your balls on a platter for this, mate! And in a Cider-created thread, too!
Yikes. Double trouble.
If we can not tie a contract with him, we have no choice but to sell. Plus i'd rather he be sold than this bit part role we are giving him. Does us as a team no good. Either play him or sell him.
I hope he gets sold. 6 years at the club. Has'nt hit any heights at a club like United.
10-15mil??? Take your money and run.
10-15mil??? Take your money and run.
He was bloody good in the 2010/11 season, tbf.
*EDIT: That was aimed at the previous poster.
For a whole 2 years he was arguably our best player. Definitely top 3.
The whole Nani situation is a shame, that 18 month spell of great form seemed to initially get cut short by the Carragher tackle but he was never overly happy about having to move to the left as soon as Valencia was fit.
I know the argument is he can play well on the left but both Nani and Fergie said that he prefers to play on the right, and maybe his confidence took a bit of a hit that after such a great run on the right he was pushed out of his favourite position for another player. I know it was logical as Valencia's right foot uses his left foot about as often as you see Halley's comet, but for Nani it may have felt like a snub.
At any rate things just have never really gotten back on track over the last 2 seasons, that's not to say he hasn't had some good spells of form but it just feels like a mix of injuries and Fergie preferring the steady Eddie duo of Young and Valencia has blunted Nani a bit.
If, as seems likely, he goes in the summer I'll be sorry to see him leave with the feeling that there was/is still more to come from him if he could just get a good run in the side.
I know the argument is he can play well on the left but both Nani and Fergie said that he prefers to play on the right, and maybe his confidence took a bit of a hit that after such a great run on the right he was pushed out of his favourite position for another player. I know it was logical as Valencia's right foot uses his left foot about as often as you see Halley's comet, but for Nani it may have felt like a snub.
At any rate things just have never really gotten back on track over the last 2 seasons, that's not to say he hasn't had some good spells of form but it just feels like a mix of injuries and Fergie preferring the steady Eddie duo of Young and Valencia has blunted Nani a bit.
If, as seems likely, he goes in the summer I'll be sorry to see him leave with the feeling that there was/is still more to come from him if he could just get a good run in the side.
Not only that, but I think him not being picked to start in that Champions league final over Valencia and Park was another hit to his confidence. People will say that looking back it's easy to say that, but I remember thinking at the time and still do that we focused on picking too many hard working players like Park instead of going for the more technical players like Nani. I think he was our player of the season that year as well, so him not starting the final, even though he had lost a bit of form, was a mistake. That's just one example of him being left on the bench when he probably should have started, and it is a sad situation that he will probably leave. I don't blame him for wanting to leave either, as wherever he goes he will probably be a starter instantly and prove how good he is, once he gets more faith from his manager. He could probably start at most teams in the world, other then arguably Barcelona, Madrid and Bayern. At his best he'd start for those sides as well, which says how talented he is.
Hopefully Zaha turns out good.
I agree with the common consensus here. I rather sell both Young and Valencia and keep Nani. If you get the best out of him, you have a brilliant, POTS player.
In 2011 and 2012 he started 61 league games, scoring 18 goals and assisting another 37.
He's had a bad, injury-hit 15 months, but the club would surely never consider selling him but for his contract issues. Why it is we won't give him a new contract we might never know.
I'm beginning to have that sinking feeling that he is leaving. I still can't believe a woefully off form Valencia is still making the team ahead of him.
True. What has been going on behind the scenes, between Nani and Fergie, between United and Nani's agent - is anybody's guess.
I can't help but think it's all a bit arbitrary myself. We were on our way to beating Real Madrid in the Champions League, Nani looked sharp - and bang! We all know what happened. If it hadn't happened we would've gone through (I really believe that) and Nani's confidence would've skyrocketed along with the rest of the team's. Instead we got the wind knocked out of us completely and Nani's confidence went the exact opposite way. Now the season is all but over - and where is Nani at the moment? In a limbo of sorts, where he's been for well over a year now. I have no idea what Fergie's thinking - but I can't imagine Nani is the very last person he'd move on at the moment. If we get a decent offer I think he's off.
It is all a bit baffling. There's obviously something big going on behind the scenes that at this stage will never be sorted. He'll be gone in the Summer, for sure.
Getting yourself a pair of bollocks might soften the blow of losing Nani.
This. I think Pogue nailed it recently, saying Nani's poor form can be much more detrimental to the team than Valencia's or Young's. Some people are stuck in some imaginary world where Nani's consistently beating full-backs and putting in match-winning performances week in week out. He had that tremendous 18 months's spell and I don't want to see him go, which I've stated many a time.
The way some are reacting, though, makes you think he is Ronaldo or something.
great post
That, or maybe they're just worried that we're losing our most talented winger and will be stuck with two wingers who have had abysmal seasons and an unproven (albeit talented) 20 year old. I don't think anyone here considers him to be a Ronaldo type player or is stuck in an imaginery world, we just don't want to lose him because he is a very good player, he'll go for feck all, and the whole situation has been a disaster.
I'm not sure why you have to turn it into more than that or what the point of your post even was.
Nope, it was a very good post. Most of your post is dribble. Most talented winger...nobody considers him to be a Ronny style player...very good player wha wha wha..
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