Rooney's importance is overstated here for me. And it's besides the point, when a player plays so damn awfully and then makes demands, others who do nothing of that sort in terms of performances will feel it's fine to do so as well.
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Rooney's importance is overstated here for me. And it's besides the point, when a player plays so damn awfully and then makes demands, others who do nothing of that sort in terms of performances will feel it's fine to do so as well.
Nowhere near? Id say he is quite near. When rooney threw a strop nani was our best player. He didnt have the best season last year but still notched the 2nd most assists and 3rd most goals whilst missing about ten league games.
If we want to challenge we need to keep our best players and Nani falls under that category. Would be silly to suggest otherwise. He has much more in his locker than our other wide options.
If Nani did leave we'd better have a fecking good replacement lined up.
The importance of a player is judged by their United career as a whole, not half a season when they've been playing shit due to fairly obvious off-field issues.
If Nani was judged purely on his last season he'd be out on his ear. However, like Rooney, I'm sure the contract he's been offered takes into account his contribution from previous seasons. Of course, this overall contribution at United hasn't been anything like as big as Rooney's had when he last signed a contract. Not even close.
I'm not sure, he's been our top scorer for a while now.
Nani's is overstated for me. He's got impressive stats, as noted by Orton in his post below, but it just feels like it's either a feast or a famine with him. It's also no coincidence that he's been dropped from the first team for the run in two seasons in a row now, including being left out of the CL final team.
That's a pretty sensible post, can't argue with much of that. However, in terms of importance to the team, Nani is easier to replace than Rooney. We have plenty of wingers to step up to Nani's position but nobody else that can do what Rooney does for us.
Obviously we could do with holding onto him though, he's clearly an important player for us.
When he still scored and created more than your favourite player. That's just nonsense. His contribution in the 10/11 season led to us winning the title, and he produced from the start until he picked up an injury against Liverpool. Rooney's contribution was non existent until february.
Off field issues or not, right or wrong, it sets a precedent.
A lot more goes into it than overall contribution otherwise Giggs would be the highest paid United player. Nani has in a short span of time improved a lot and become one of our most important players. So he deserves to be paid as such, even though he might not have years and years of top performances behind him.
What? He came back from injury and was clearly not at full form during this seasons run in with Valencia being in better form. Doesn't Rooney usually take pretty long to get back in form after an injury? Why isn't Nani, who has had a few injuries this season, allowed the same leeway?
Besides, if he was dropped for the run in why did he play against Everton and City, our most important game? (yes I know he amongst several others were poor)
It's best we agree to disagree on the importance point.
You've completely missed the point.
It goes without saying we should make every effort to hold onto Nani. He's a quality player. I would never argue otherwise. He should not and will not be offered parity with Rooney though.
Oh dear time for another video.Be disappointed if he was allowed to be let go.
In order to decide who is the best player, I m afraid we ll have to ask Chelsea and see if they are interested.... 
Who said I'm offering leeway to Rooney? Nobody gets any leeway at United, we can't afford that.
You seem to be fairly prickly in your defence of Nani. I'm not meaning to cause offence, I've already said we need to keep him as he's an important player for us. I just don't think you can compare his importance to us to Rooney's.
This message board is literally the only place I know of where Nani is rated so highly. Even that article posted earlier is slightly poking fun at his claim to be among the world's best wingers. He's a good player, but hardly indispensable to United.
I got your point. I'm not even comparing their respective earnings. Just saying he should be paid as one of the highest earners. Less than Rooney if a comparison is to be made, for the reasons you mentioned (years of performance Rooney has) but still one of the highest (due to the reason I mentioned).
"Favourite player"
Ffs. How gay is that? Are we supposed to have favourite players now?
Every time you come into a Nani thread you bring him up. Shoot down Nani, praise other winger.
I've mentioned two other wingers in my last few posts. Plus Kagawa.
It is best that Pogue is ignored in discussions about Nani. He displays a surprisingly high-amount of bias, without seeming to be aware about it.
As for Nani, he is a very important player for the attack and when he is completely fit, he is our best attacker.
As for Nani, he is a very important player for the attack and when he is completely fit, he is our best attacker.
You did say we dropped him for the run in. I'm countering that. How is that "being prickly"? Maybe you could prove me wrong by providing a counter argument which I'd gladly accept. I gain nothing by fighting Nani's corner if that's what you think I'm doing.
I don't think any player in indispensable. I think we'll do just fine if we let go of any of Rooney and Nani as long as we spend the money well because there is enough talent out there. We did fine after losing Ronaldo and he's better than those two by a country mile.
That's fair enough because there always will be certain players that don't get their due outside of their club because they're not watched as much by others. Park gets called rubbish consistently by those outside United but over his United career it's far from the truth. For me, there isn't as much in it as people claim. I just don't subscribe to the opinion that Rooney is our best player comfortably, which is probably why I don't see the big gulf between the two of them. For one, I think Vidic has been our best player in recent years, not Rooney.
Would be a big loss for United if he moved.
All top teams rely on technically brilliant players. No need to mention Barca and Real players. Bayern have got Ribery and Robben, Chelsea Mata and Hazard, City Silva, Aguero, Nasri etc. Provided that Giggs and Scholes are going to retire soon (1-2 years) and Berbatov is leaving, Nani is our only technically brilliant player who could be here in 2 years. Young and Valencia are excellent wingers but they aren't brilliant technically wise. That team needs more players like Nani, not less.
I'm sure Fergie will do the necessary to keep him in the team. Hopefully, Nani's demands are not excessive.
All top teams rely on technically brilliant players. No need to mention Barca and Real players. Bayern have got Ribery and Robben, Chelsea Mata and Hazard, City Silva, Aguero, Nasri etc. Provided that Giggs and Scholes are going to retire soon (1-2 years) and Berbatov is leaving, Nani is our only technically brilliant player who could be here in 2 years. Young and Valencia are excellent wingers but they aren't brilliant technically wise. That team needs more players like Nani, not less.
I'm sure Fergie will do the necessary to keep him in the team. Hopefully, Nani's demands are not excessive.
Oh, OK. Last season, he was fit for our last 5 games of the season and started just twice. He was on the bench for the game against Wigan, started against City and Everton but was then dropped again for the Swansea and Sunderland games.
Fair enough he had been out for a while before the Wigan game, but after playing two consecutive games I think it's fair to say he was dropped for the following two games, which is a pretty big deal considering we were level on points at the top at the time, it's not like the season was over or anything.
The season before, it was Valencia that was making the comeback from injury late in the season and he was favoured over Nani for much of the run in and for the CL final, which ws a bit of a kick in the balls for Nani.
Hardly a ringing endorsement of his importance to the team, though he's obviously important to the squad.
Give him what he wants. If he was to leave what kind of message would that send out?
I don't think Fergie has used Nani that well. Nani's comfortably better than both Valencia and Young.
I really don't think there's that much between him and Rooney either. Both at their best are unplayable and both are almost equally inconsistent.
I really don't think there's that much between him and Rooney either. Both at their best are unplayable and both are almost equally inconsistent.
I'd be absolutely gutted if he left. Love watching him play football.
I always find Nani to be surprisingly underrated. He's comfortably better than our other wide options in my opinion. It would be a big loss were he to leave, but I had a suspicion that he would fancy a move (or a big payrise) sooner or later.
Am okay with not bringing in new players on huge wages but we have to hold on to our best players and Nani is one of them. He deserves a good contract and i hope he gets one.
The news doesn't surprise me. I was worried at how long it was taking to agree a new contract given talks of him being given a new contract have been rumoured for months and the Juventus/Italy rumours have been going for the last month or so. In his time here he has been one of our best players (his last season hasn't been his best by any stretch but he is still one of our most important players). If Rooney has an off day you feel more at ease if he is in form as he is also a game winner. Hopefully we can tie him down to a new contract.
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Thing is, anyone as good as Nani is likely to come at a big transfer fee and high wages himself.
he is just playing hardball I reckon. he'll get his contract, top player for us.
Or someone like James Rodriquez who could be immense in the future.
Better not sell him, best winger in the league.
Aye, it's a key. Now I know.
Another Portuguese bought two years before the leaving of the older one.
Working for the future should never come at the cost of a first teamer, specially someone as good and young as Nani is.
Your statements on Nani and Anderson are extremely conflicting.
If his contract is running down then the club should be flexible to secure him on a longer deal; if the wages are too high then look to move him on in a year or two when he'll still have years left so we can get a decent fee, not like we're looking at for Berba as things stand.
Hope stays properly though, Nani is very important to us.
Hope stays properly though, Nani is very important to us.
People need to chill, his agent is Mendes, he will definitely stay.
I think he's worth more than the 130k he's refused according to reports
Certainly if Young is on 150k
He will sign
Certainly if Young is on 150k
He will sign
Has he "refused" though? I just heard that he and Mendes have gone back with a counter offer.
Could just be asking for an extra year, or a year less, or higher bonuses etc.
Could just be asking for an extra year, or a year less, or higher bonuses etc.
Where did you hear that? No chance of him being on 150k. In articles it said he was being signed on a £130k p/w contract but I can't see it being that much either.
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