Luis Nani | 2011/12 Performances

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Pogue Mahone said:
How is not being fit enough to start a game in any way comparable with being dropped two or three games after returning from injury?

Do you really need me to spell out the difference between form and fitness?
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It's not too different in this case though. Ronaldo had been injured previously, but was ready to return. Despite the fact that he was deemed as fit and looked it when he played, Fergie still decided to rest him in what was a very big game at that stage of the season.

Also, what about all of the times at the start of the season when Nani was consistently starting, sometimes ahead of a fully fit Valencia, who wasn't getting much of a look-in then at all. What do you have to say about all of those occasions?
 
I can't say we will agree then Pogue. I can't even see how there is an argument for who is our best wide option, it's that clear to me. You can call me a fanboi for thinking that, and I'll call you blind for looking at a game in which he didn't even play in as the indicator of our best wide player, and we can dance around in circles till the queen gets launched into space.
 
Ramshock said:
Thats a load of balls, cheese balls in fact. I dont have a dog in this hunt Im just calling bullshit when I see it. There is no way in hell Nani is clearly a better winger than Valencia and if you think so you need to look at the definition of a winger.
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I really don't see how he isn't though. Valencia is faster than him, and has better delivery than him, but not much more than that. Nani is the much more skilful of the two and he's a lot better on the ball. Because of that, he's the sort of player who can get much more involved in our overall play when he's playing well, and he's a lot more likely than Valencia to be a key factor in changing the match for us. For me, that's invaluable. I'm a big fan of Valencia and like him as a player, but he is quite one dimensional in a sense. Nani, on the other hand, has a lot more to his game.
 
Hectic said:
I can't say we will agree then Pogue. I can't even see how there is an argument for who is our best wide option, it's that clear to me. You can call me a fanboi for thinking that, and I'll call you blind for looking at a game in which he didn't even play in as the indicator of our best wide player, and we can dance around in circles till the queen gets launched into space.
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Nani's preference is to cut inside, Valencia likes to beat a man and cross from the wing. Valenica is a truer definition of a winger.
 
Ramshock said:
:lol: Someones a fanboi. In what way is Nani clearly our best winger? Who was voted the players player of the year for the club and in what position does that player play in?. You are making this into a Nani v Valencia thing.
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That's a bit of a ridiculous argument to be honest. Wasn't Hernandez voted as our best player by the fans in the 2010/2011 season? Does that mean that he was a better player than Rooney at the time?
 
Ramshock said:
:lol: Someones a fanboi. In what way is Nani clearly our best winger? Who was voted the players player of the year for the club and in what position does that player play in?. You are making this into a Nani v Valencia thing.
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Erm, no, I'm not. Valencia was brought up far before I mentioned his name, read the rest of the posts you cretin.
 
Cheesy said:
I really don't see how he isn't though. Valencia is faster than him, and has better delivery than him, but not much more than that. Nani is the much more skilful of the two and he's a lot better on the ball. Because of that, he's the sort of player who can get much more involved in our overall play when he's playing well, and he's a lot more likely than Valencia to be a key factor in changing the match for us. For me, that's invaluable. I'm a big fan of Valencia and like him as a player, but he is quite one dimensional in a sense. Nani, on the other hand, has a lot more to his game.
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Nani is the better attacker in general yes with more at his disposal. But in terms if being a true winger Valencia is more of a winger than Nani. i imagine if Fergie did what Nani wanted he would play him in the hole or in a more central role. Valencia lives to bomb down the wing and cross which is the definition of a winger to me.
 
Ramshock said:
Nani's preference is to cut inside, Valencia likes to beat a man and cross from the wing. Valenica is a truer definition of a winger.
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Not really. He's the truer definition of a traditional sort of winger who relies on traditional wing play. Nani is the definition of a more modern winger who is better at cutting inside, can play on either wing, and offers a lot more to our all-round play. That's still being a winger, and he's a better one than Valencia at that.
 
Ramshock said:
Well fair enough, I bet a lot would. Nani isnt by far the best winger in the team which is my argument.
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I know that, and my argument would be the opposite. But then this is all known already, and we've all had this argument at least twice before. It's massively gay, lets stop and just agree that none of us are going to change our minds.
 
Ramshock said:
Nani's preference is to cut inside, Valencia likes to beat a man and cross from the wing. Valenica is a truer definition of a winger.
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He's a more classical winger, that doesn't make him a better winger. Valencia's more of a classical winger than Ronaldo, but when they're both played out wide clearly Ronaldo's better. All you're saying is Valencia does what you want a winger to do, it says nothing of who's the more effective and/or better player there.

I think Nani's still a class above Valencia, at the moment. Tony V's clearly shown he can take his game up another level though and if he can maintain that form for 12 months+, as Nani has done already, then it'll be more of a contest.
 
Ramshock said:
Nani is the better attacker in general yes with more at his disposal. But in terms if being a true winger Valencia is more of a winger than Nani. i imagine if Fergie did what Nani wanted he would play him in the hole or in a more central role. Valencia lives to bomb down the wing and cross which is the definition of a winger to me.
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Read my post below which explains this, but by what you're saying, who is a better winger, Ronaldo or Valencia? I know the answer, but by your flawed logic it could be different.
 
Brwned said:
He's a more classical winger, that doesn't make him a better winger. Valencia's more of a classical winger than Ronaldo, but when they're both played out wide clearly Ronaldo's better.
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Yep, that sums up my point perfectly.
 
Now Brwned is going to molest you all with logic and sense, and then you'll be wishing you'd just listened to me and stayed quiet.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Unless Nani suddenly started out-scoring all our strikers while I wasn't paying attention?
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I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, really.

Ramshock said:
There is no way in hell Nani is clearly a better winger than Valencia and if you think so you need to look at the definition of a winger.
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Ramshock said:
Nani's preference is to cut inside, Valencia likes to beat a man and cross from the wing. Valenica is a truer definition of a winger.
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Swap Nani for Ronaldo and the point is still the same, and still holds true...so it's clearly a nonsensical point. Valencia is a better winger than Ronaldo because he fulfils his duties while Ronaldo - or Nani, or Ribery, or whoever - ignores them because he likes to come inside rather than stick to the touchline. Nonsense.
 
We'd lose a world of creativity if he left. He brings a different verve than Young and Valencia.
 
If we sold Nani, I think I'd genuinely question the direction this club is heading. He's invaluable.
 
Nani is one of our best players. His dribbling and ability to use either foot means he is one of the few players we have who is capable of producing a piece of genuine magic out of nothing as defenders cannot predict what he is going to do. We must keep him.
 
kouroux said:
Football has evolved and wingers' role are more varied.A winger isn't necessarily a Valencia type of player
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Yep, insane to say Valencia's a better winger than Nani simply because he hugs the touchline.
 
Nani and Valencia aren't really comparable because they play a very different way, Nani is a modern winger and Valencia is a very old style winger, both can be effective but Valencia plays the percentages where as Nani is a flair player that takes risks.

Anyway, are we actually in any danger of losing Nani?
 
I bloody hope not. If we lose Nani it'll suddenly make losing out on Hazard much more of a problem as well.
 
He is one of two players in our attack who would actually get a sniff at our competition's starting 11s. Why the feck would we sell him!?
 
Devil may care said:
Nani and Valencia aren't really comparable because they play a very different way, Nani is a modern winger and Valencia is a very old style winger, both can be effective but Valencia plays the percentages where as Nani is a flair player that takes risks.

Anyway, are we actually in any danger of losing Nani?
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Nani>Valencia. Don't get me wrong I actually like Valencia more than I like Nani and if only he would shoot more he might become even more effective than he is now. However, technically Nani is the more gifted player. His close control is unbelievably good and when his confidence is high he's almost unplayable.

Its easy to forget just how good he was at the start of the season but cast your mind back to that devastating performance against Chelsea, for one. Really with the way Valencia's form started dipping a bit with the QPR game Nani should've come back into the first XI earlier and that was shown by how effective he was against Everton.

Nani has more variation, greater range of ability. He's simply the better player. I'm not his greatest fan and I'm as inclined to groan about him as anyone but in the cold light of day nobody can deny Nani is better than either Young or Valencia.

Letting him go into the last 2 years of his contract would be very silly.
 
It wasn't that long ago when Nani came out and said he would love to stay here for ages, I hope nothing has changed as he's a brilliant player.
 
His agent is Mendes. I doubt he is going anywhere. This is all just posturing for the new contract.
 
Usual contract nonsense. He's given United a counter offer, United will probably meet somewhere in the middle very soon and this will be done & dusted. In the meantime Mendes tells him that he'll have to say that he's studying opportunities, saying "I'm 100% staying at United" doesn't help their bargaining.
 
Manchester United winger Nani is keeping his option opens as contract negotiations continue with the club.

The 25-year-old has spent five years at Old Trafford since joining from Sporting Lisbon in 2007, but is now seemingly pondering his next move.

In an interview with Portuguese television station RTP, quoted by The Guardian, he said: "I am really happy but I don't know about my future. Now I will study opportunities.

"Football is not only about England or Spain. It is possible to enjoy success in other countries.

"My agent is waiting on news about United. We have presented a counter-offer and now we are waiting on an offer from the club."

http://www.sportinglife.com/footbal...OCCER_Man_Utd_Nani.html&TEAMHD=soccer&BID=165
 
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