Luis Nani | 2011/12 Performances
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He is ridiculously underrated on here. It's a bit embarrassing when he's out best wide player by a distance. I can't see him leaving but the pay rise was to be expected.
That's really mental.
Just typical Pogue really when it comes to Nani.
That and his bias of Rooney. Best that he's ignored in discussions about these two players.
I have to agree with you as well. He hasn't had as bad a season as some people like to say. He's not actually been that much worse than Valencia over the course of the whole season to be honest, yet there are some people who say Nani has had a very poor season while Valencia, on the other hand, has been one of our best players. I don't believe that at all.
Admittedly, he does still have some consistency problems, but on the whole I agree with you that there are a lot of fans on here who refuse to acknowledge the fact that he's our most talented winger, and is one of our most talented players.
Losing him would be a disaster, and would send out the worst possible message, even worse than those we send out in the market. Having said that, I'm fairly confident he'll stay
That's really mental.
You're the second person that seems to have misunderstood what I said. Read it in context ffs. If Nani was judged purely on the season just gone and tried to negotiate a contract as big as Rooney's last one then his days at United would be numbered. Instead, the salary on offer will reflect his potential and his United career as a whole.
I made this point in response to someone who was implying that Rooney's poor 6 months somehow meant he shouldn't have got the pay-rise he did. Christ, why are people so fecking twitchy where Nani is concerned? Half of ye get so fired up at the merest hint of criticism you lose the power to read.
And here is the type of comment which means Nani is always going to divide opinions. Why would our "best wide player by a distance" get dropped for the key games of our run-in two seasons in a row? Is Fergie really that clueless?
Nani started at the Etihad.
Injuries hit him at the wrong point in both of the last 2 seasons.
Most important game being the champions league final, how did we do that night then? Nani was our best player when he came on. Was a bad decision to leave him out.
Indeed, Valencia was actually dropped in the City game and Nani was played ahead of him.
More often than not it's Nani who has been first choice winger ahead of Valencia, and this season Young, the only times he's ever dropped or kept on the bench is when he is returning from injury, which is the only time he actually does struggle for consistency, unlike Valencia who is a freak of nature in that regard.
More often than not it's Nani who has been first choice winger ahead of Valencia, and this season Young, the only times he's ever dropped or kept on the bench is when he is returning from injury, which is the only time he actually does struggle for consistency, unlike Valencia who is a freak of nature in that regard.
Yeah, I've always thought that. On the night, Park was played for his workrate and ability to track back, but it didn't work in the end and we'd have been better simply going for quality instead.
Nani had a bit of a non-season, really. Started brilliantly, but went off the boil like the rest of the team after a few weeks. His form was iffy for a long time before injuries took their own toll. Hopefully he'll get a little luckier with injuries and find better consistency. On his day, he's a match winner.
As for the CL final, Nani was bang out of form at the end of the season. He had no business starting the CL final.
As for the CL final, Nani was bang out of form at the end of the season. He had no business starting the CL final.
It was still a point that basically said Nani had a shit season, which isn't true, and comparing him to Rooneys situation is a bit daft too because Rooney was in absolutely terrible form coming up to those negotiations.
Returning from injury or not, our "best wide player by a distance" would have started those games regardless. Just like our "best striker by a distance" (i.e. Rooney) gets picked irrespective of form.
So you reckon that Nani isn't out best wide player because he didn't start two important games? Let's start with the small stuff, was he 100% fit, or recovering from an earlier injury?
fecking hell, this is not what I like to read. Its probably nothing but he's someone who really should be tied for many more years. I obviously don't know what the demands etc are but if he wants what other key players/wingers have got I do not see why he should not get it. He has been one of our most important players for the last couple of seasons and is someone we must hold on too.
I wouldn't be worried f it was just a normal news story but the quotes make me second guess.
I wouldn't be worried f it was just a normal news story but the quotes make me second guess.
You make it sound like he had a bad/average season. He was our most productive winger. And it has been his most productive season of his career.
Amir summed up his season(s) very well.
I've nothing to add in case the usual suspects scream bias.
What?! So it doesn't matter that he's returning from injury and might not be fully fit, we should just play him regardless? No....If he was completely fit, he would have started, that much is obvious. But he wasn't, unlike Valencia, who is able to recover from his injuries much faster than Nani. That's a weird stick to beat him with.
Surely you don't need to judge Nani on a fixture where he didn't play, to know if he is our best wide player or not? That's a weird way to determine who is our best winger.
Stick? Beat him?
It's an observation on Fergie's team selections. Do you disagree?
Or maybe Fergie is as blind as I am to his talents?
That's not necessarily true. There are no guarantees for the player at all if he's not fully fit. If I remember correctly, when we played Chelsea in the 2008/2009 season at the Bridge, Ronaldo only came on as a sub later in the game because he was recovering from an injury. That's a bit like this debate here, is it not? Our best wide player by a distance not starting because he wasn't fully fit.
I doubt Fergie would agree with what you are saying Pogue, but then I suppose I would. I reckon he left him out because he wasn't fully fit, it's really that simple. Had he been fully fit, he would have started. We also looked a better team when he came on for Valencia, did we not?
Not just that, but he's arguably one of the few Utd players capable of producing that individual moment of magic to change a game. Young's got potential there, and Rooney to a degree - but neither are as consistently dangerous as Nani in that regard.
You're accusing others of bias when you've tried to legitimately compare Pique and Jonny Evans before. Oh the irony.
You're accusing others of bias when you've tried to legitimately compare Pique and Jonny Evans before. Oh the irony.
Where did I accuse anyone of bias? Jesus, can none of you read?
Nani needs a good kick up the arse but I am sure he will get his contract, if not it will make the club look bad again losing ONE of its top wingers.
What you are essentially saying is that it doesn't matter how long it takes a player to recover from injury, be it one game or five, but that if he is our best option in that position he will start regardless of that injury concern?
Nani started vs Everton and City away - more difficult fixtures than Swansea and Sunderland away. Valencia didn't start vs City.
You're so full of shit Pogue. You claim us Nani followers (or whatever) get pissed off every time someone criticizes him, but you do the exact same every time some criticizes Valencia or Carrick, and looking through this thread, you probably come in and criticize Nani, and make stupid Valencia comparisons more than anybody else does.
I mean seriously, suggesting that Nani isn't actually our best winger or Fergie doesn't rate him that highly because of the fact that he doesn't instantly throw him in the first team when he's returning from injury?
I mean seriously, suggesting that Nani isn't actually our best winger or Fergie doesn't rate him that highly because of the fact that he doesn't instantly throw him in the first team when he's returning from injury?
which was a mistake
Wingers have always been the most inconsistent players. If you want to play with two wingers you need four good ones in the squad to cover inconsistency and minor injuries, never mind if one's out for a long spell.
How is not being fit enough to start a game in any way comparable with being dropped two or three games after returning from injury?
Do you really need me to spell out the difference between form and fitness?
That's true. You can add Evans to the list of people who he'll get all touch over whenever he's criticised.
Some people simply need to accept that Nani is our best natural winger to be honest. Valencia is very good himself and is more consistent, but it's clear to see that Nani has a lot more to his game, is a lot less one dimensional than Valencia, and is clearly the better overall winger of the two.
Definitely. Valencia and Nani should start every big game when fit.
Someones a fanboi. In what way is Nani clearly our best winger? Who was voted the players player of the year for the club and in what position does that player play in?. You are making this into a Nani v Valencia thing.No it wasn't. Playing Park and 2 players in their late 30's was however.
Injury concern? You're really clutching at straws there.
Thats a load of balls, cheese balls in fact. I dont have a dog in this hunt Im just calling bullshit when I see it. There is no way in hell Nani is clearly a better winger than Valencia and if you think so you need to look at the definition of a winger.
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