Luis Nani | 2010/11 Performances

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Why does this thread always disappear when Nani isn't selected for a big game?

Ferguson confirms last night Valencia played ahead of Nani because he's in better form.

He is in somewhat better form; and when Nani's form returns he'll play better than Valencia does when on form.

I love watching Valencia, because I just love watching quality wingers, but your observation about his ball being earlier than Nani's is well off imo. Nani counter-attacks far quicker than Valencia and seems to read the game much quicker at the beginning of an attacking phase; and whilst Valencia's superior pace allows him onto a through-ball first more often, he will rarely look up and play a quick ball into the middle, something which Nani does often. Even when attacking a crowded defence, Nani will pop the ball around and move, looking for the opening for Rooney, Berba or Hernandez whilst keeping possession on and around the edge of the box and looking always for the shot himself in much the same way Rooney does in the same position; contrast this with Valencia, who will make a dash for the byline more often than not, or cut inside and drive into the box; after receiving possession his balls often come later and are low-driven percentage crosses aimed into an area rather than for any specific player. The early ball is far more likely to come from Nani, and it'll come accurately after looking up and spotting the intended target player, which is why Nani has superbly created so many goals this season; just an irrelevant stat, so you assure us, but one which does indeed perfectly reflect a fantastic overall attacking threat and reliability that no other winger in the country can match.
 
And your opinion is the opposite.

Opinions, eh?

Your point?

He keeps coming into a thread about Nani and blind out stating that Valencia is a better player, clearly trying to provoke people, over and over again.

it's also rather ironic that he states that nobody has bumped this thread after Valencia's performance last night and the fact that Nani didn't play.

I'm sure he'd bump the thread if it was the other way round. :rolleyes:
 
I'm a big fan of Nani but you cannot argue with the 11 sent out last night. They have done the business and is probably our first choice European lineup/setup now.
 
To be fair, bumping the thread to gloat about how one of our players wasn't selected for a big game is pretty odd behaviour.

It's not really, when he predicted that Nani would spend a lot more time on the bench as a result of Valencia's return a few weeks back (and got a lot of stick for it) As it turns out, he was right. Most people bump threads in that sort of context.
 
Your point?

He keeps coming into a thread about Nani and blind out stating that Valencia is a better player, clearly trying to provoke people, over and over again.

it's also rather ironic that he states that nobody has bumped this thread after Valencia's performance last night and the fact that Nani didn't play.

I'm sure he'd bump the thread if it was the other way round. :rolleyes:

This whole Nani vs Valencia stuff is painful tbh. Personally, I'd rather we could all praise one without slating the other.

Nonetheless, if you look back through this thread you will see Aaron copping a lot of shit for saying that, in his opinion, Valencia would displace Nani in the big games towards the end of the season. When that turns out to be an accurate prediction, is it any great surprise he bumps the thread?
 
It's not really his fault that he's been dropped, it's sort of similar to the Berbatov dilemma in that Fergie probably thinks that in order to play 4-4-2 in a game of that magnitude he needs to compliment the central midfielders with hard working wingers who will track their fullbacks all the way. If it was down who the better player is then Nani would start every game, football isn't that simple though.

Don't get me wrong, I still think Nani will start every game at Old Trafford but it's just in tough away games where he might miss out occasionally. I feel a bit sorry for him but at least he's had a bit of a rest which hopefully we let us see the form he showed pre-Carragher.
 
It's not really, when he predicted that Nani would spend a lot more time on the bench as a result of Valencia's return a few weeks back (and got a lot of stick for it) As it turns out, he was right. Most people bump threads in that sort of context.

Hardly a big prediction. Was pretty clear Nani would either get shunted to the left or not play in big away games because Valencia is defensively better. Admittedly I thought it would be the former more so than the latter, but I hadn't expected us to play Rooney and Hernandez together so much in games like this, rather play Rooney alone, go 3 in midfield which leaves the wingers with less responsibilities defensively.
 
This isnt the Nani appreciation thread. It asks the question as to whether he's the best winger in the country. if you don't think so and think you have a better one at the club, isn't that a reasonable contribution?
 
Hardly a big prediction. Was pretty clear Nani would either get shunted to the left or not play in big away games because Valencia is defensively better. Admittedly I thought it would be the former more so than the latter, but I hadn't expected us to play Rooney and Hernandez together so much in games like this, rather play Rooney alone, go 3 in midfield which leaves the wingers with less responsibilities defensively.

I don't think many of us would have made it.

I was expecting Nani and Valencia on opposite flanks, with Park through the middle and Rooney up top on his own.

If someone had told me Rooney and Hernandez were going to gel so effectively that Fergie would go 442, I would have predicted Park or Valencia to make way, if I'm honest. Wouldn't you?
 
This is such a fecking weird situation, and sort of unnerving also. We have to be very careful what we do with Nani, though it must be admitted that this does look to be a winning formation.

Still though, what's happening with Berbatov and Nani at the moment is mind-boggling. Though it seems correct currently, it is absolutely bizarre that players of their talent are being left out consistently in big games (though it has only happened recently in Nani's case). I mean, we're talking about the Premiership's top scorer and possibly our best player over the course of the season!

Amazing. I've not seen a situation like it.
 
I don't think many of us would have made it.

I was expecting Nani and Valencia on opposite flanks, with Park through the middle and Rooney up top on his own.

If someone had told me Rooney and Hernandez were going to gel so effectively that Fergie would go 442, I would have predicted Park or Valencia to make way, if I'm honest. Wouldn't you?

Bloody hard to have predicted anything given Rooney's early season form/injury. I would have said the Berbatov/Hernandez combination was the one SAF would have gone for first.But having Rooney dropping deeper and losing markers so effectivey has been perfect for Hernandez.

But I suspect the thing is a lot more complex than meets the eye with players now able to interchange freely that the system has become less predictable
 
This is such a fecking weird situation, and sort of unnerving also. We have to be very careful what we do with Nani, though it must be admitted that this does look to be a winning formation.

Still though, what's happening with Berbatov and Nani at the moment is mind-boggling. Though it seems correct currently, it is absolutely bizarre that players of their talent are being left out consistently in big games (though it has only happened recently in Nani's case). I mean, we're talking about the Premiership's top scorer and possibly our best player over the course of the season!
Amazing. I've not seen a situation like it.

Open to debate.There are at least 3 candidates for our best player of the season but the point is the consistency of those players.

As for Berbatov being dropped.It's a case of what works best in each match. Back in 99 we consistently started with Yorke and Cole and left arguably the most intelligent striker in Sheringham on the bench.Whatever the tactic...it worked.It's a nice headache
 
Park is also a big factor in this, he has provided much more of an attacking threat lately, getting around the edge of the box, shooting, and playing neat one twos so added to his industry and defensive positioning, leaves nani's best squad position as impact sub when his form post injusy is considered.
 
This whole Nani vs Valencia stuff is painful tbh. Personally, I'd rather we could all praise one without slating the other.

Nonetheless, if you look back through this thread you will see Aaron copping a lot of shit for saying that, in his opinion, Valencia would displace Nani in the big games towards the end of the season. When that turns out to be an accurate prediction, is it any great surprise he bumps the thread?

Glad you agree that it's painful.

I don't agree that it's why he's copped a lot of stick. He's copped a lot of stick because he constantly came into this thread and said he flat out thinks Valencia is a better player, just look back a few pages. He ignored most of what other people said in return and just focused on little bits he could argue against.

If I went into the thread on Antonio and said, "I prefer Nani, he's better than him", what reaction would I get exactly?

This isnt the Nani appreciation thread. It asks the question as to whether he's the best winger in the country. if you don't think so and think you have a better one at the club, isn't that a reasonable contribution?

it's also rather ironic that he states that nobody has bumped this thread after Valencia's performance last night and the fact that Nani didn't play.

I'm sure he'd bump the thread if it was the other way round. :rolleyes:

I see you've chosen to ignore another point of mine. Quite a valid one, don't you think?

It's a contribution at the start, it got stupid after you relentlessly pushed it over and over and over again and kept bumping this thread with your whimsical views that people have repeatedly given good arguments against which you've responded to feck all of apart from what you can.

i.e. dismissing assists as meaning sweet feck all.
 
I don't think many of us would have made it.

I was expecting Nani and Valencia on opposite flanks, with Park through the middle and Rooney up top on his own.

If someone had told me Rooney and Hernandez were going to gel so effectively that Fergie would go 442, I would have predicted Park or Valencia to make way, if I'm honest. Wouldn't you?

ifs and buts really, but yes, in fairness to Aaron he did make pretty much a 100% prediction that many didn't. Still, hard to factor in things like the Park hitting form, Valencia's miraculous recovery from a 6 month absense, Rooney hitting great form, Carrick and Giggs gelling in midfield etc.

hell, if you'd said to me that entire midfield and attacking line-up would be the one used in the QFs and SFs of the CL a few months ago, i'd have called you mad, and I think a few others would have too.
 
Open to debate.There are at least 3 candidates for our best player of the season but the point is the consistency of those players.

As for Berbatov being dropped.It's a case of what works best in each match. Back in 99 we consistently started with Yorke and Cole and left arguably the most intelligent striker in Sheringham on the bench.Whatever the tactic...it worked.It's a nice headache

Hence 'possibly'.

It's a tribute to Fergie in a way. I remember reading on here a few years ago that Fergie wasn't actually all that tactically, and it was just in man-management, psychology and ability in the transfer market that had fueled his success.

I don't think there are any other managers in world football that would've considered dropping Berbatov and Nani regularly at any point this year.
 
Glad you agree that it's painful.

I don't agree that it's why he's copped a lot of stick. He's copped a lot of stick because he constantly came into this thread and said he flat out thinks Valencia is a better player, just look back a few pages. He ignored most of what other people said in return and just focused on little bits he could argue against.

If I went into the thread on Antonio and said, "I prefer Nani, he's better than him", what reaction would I get exactly?

A lot of people agreeing with you, more than likely.
 
I don't think there are any other managers in world football that would've considered dropping Berbatov and Nani regularly at any point this year.

that's harsh, he's barely been dropped at all and I don't think he'd he would have been dropped in the last 5 or 6 games if not for the injury against Pool which he was a bit rushed back from.
 
Hence 'possibly'.

It's a tribute to Fergie in a way. I remember reading on here a few years ago that Fergie wasn't actually all that tactically, and it was just in man-management, psychology and ability in the transfer market that had fueled his success.

I don't think there are any other managers in world football that would've considered dropping Berbatov and Nani regularly at any point this year.

Mourinho would that's why Chelsea were successful under him.He didn't give a feck about player reputation
 
A lot of people agreeing with you, more than likely.

Don't know about that. You're like to find a lot more Valencia fans in that thread and likewise here. I'm a huge fan of Nani so I'll check this thread far more than others.

I just wish this shit would end though. We're blessed to have both, at times I see no point in anyone comparing them because they're such different wingers. It's pointless.
 
Don't know about that. You're like to find a lot more Valencia fans in that thread and likewise here. I'm a huge fan of Nani so I'll check this thread far more than others.

I just wish this shit would end though. We're blessed to have both, at times I see no point in anyone comparing them because they're such different wingers. It's pointless.

You have to factor in personalities. Nani does have a knack of pissing off fans as well as thrilling them in equal measure.

Valencia with his no nonsense approach is a throwback to the days when players just got with the job.His relative shortcomings are much more likely to be forgiven.

But as you say.We're blessed to have 2 great but different wingers again
 
that's harsh, he's barely been dropped at all and I don't think he'd he would have been dropped in the last 5 or 6 games if not for the injury against Pool which he was a bit rushed back from.

Yeh, to be fair, that was more appropriate in regards to Berbatov.
 
You have to factor in personalities. Nani does have a knack of pissing off fans as well as thrilling them in equal measure.

Valencia with his no nonsense approach is a throwback to the days when players just got with the job.His relative shortcomings are much more likely to be forgiven.

But as you say.We're blessed to have 2 great but different wingers again

That was why I originally started this thread; because despite shaking off his inconsistency and becoming a genuinely reliable attacking threat, Nani just still wasn't getting the plaudits his performances were deserving of. Since starting the thread Nani has kept up that high level of performance, and even increased on the consistency of end-product that he was showing in the second half of last season; but because his personality divides opinion you still get the haters who refuse to recognise his incredible contribution to our success this season for what it is. He's thoroughly deserving of being hailed as the best winger in the country, because as good as Valencia is, Valencia has just not had the kind of pressure on him to perform as has had Nani, and when needed Nani has lived up to and thrived under that pressure. Game after game in the long mid-season we all looked to him for goals, and goals from him were duly provided. Valencia hasn't done that yet, I'm not slating him, but he just hasn't carried the team like Ronaldo, Rooney, Vidic and now Nani have over recent years. Nani has been immense this season, I can't get my head around anyone trying to argue against that... and yet try they do... Nani; everything's polemic.
 
That was why I originally started this thread; because despite shaking off his inconsistency and becoming a genuinely reliable attacking threat, Nani just still wasn't getting the plaudits his performances were deserving of. Since starting the thread Nani has kept up that high level of performance, and even increased on the consistency of end-product that he was showing in the second half of last season; but because his personality divides opinion you still get the haters who refuse to recognise his incredible contribution to our success this season for what it is; he's thoroughly deserving of being hailed as the best winger in the country, because as good as Valencia is, Valencia has just not had the kind of pressure on him to perform as has had Nani, and when needed Nani has lived up to and thrived under that pressure. Game after game in the long mid-season we all looked to him for goals, and goals from him were duly provided. Valencia hasn't done that yet, I'm not slating him, bit he just hasn't carried the team like Ronaldo, Rooney, Vidic and now Nani have over recent years. Nani has been immense this season, I can't get my head around anyone trying to argue against that... and yet try they do... Nani; everything's polemic.

Happens all the time and will continue to.

I knew fans,friends even who said after the Rooney/Ronaldo crap in WC 2006 that they would never set foot in OT again if Ronaldo played.I recall Giggs being booed.Now it's Nani's turn
 
I don't think many of us would have made it.

I was expecting Nani and Valencia on opposite flanks, with Park through the middle and Rooney up top on his own.
Really? Park on the left was nailed on, I thought. Evra not in the best of form, and Schalke's right side being their strongest, according to those who know Schalke well. I only expected one of Valencia and Nani to play, and given the Chelsea games, this being an away game in CL and Valencia's better form, I'd have gone for Valencia.
 
I thought to myself about 35 minutes in, I bet Fergie was wishing he had started Nani, because there really was no need to have the extra defensive cover, and they weren't getting close to our wings, Valencia was taking the piss out of Schalke with his positioning.
 
In hindsight, fergie would have started Nani last night. You'd be foolish not too.

Not sure about that. The way Schalke were set up became evident quite early on yet Nani didn't come on until late and even then not really in the position where you'd have expected.
 
Not sure about that. The way Schalke were set up became evident quite early on yet Nani didn't come on until late and even then not really in the position where you'd have expected.

Because Fergie doesn't make subs just because the game pans out one way early on, he doesn't do it when we are struggling - you think he'd do it when we were totally dominant and creating chances?

We were dominating and there is the Arsenal game on Sunday, why would he have subbed him in earlier as surely he intends to start Nani against Le Arse.

In hindsight, had Nani started and we controlled play the way we did plus with how soft Schalke were, Nani could have been as big a thorn down the left side as Valencia was on the left. Park played well but, their defense could have been torn apart by Nani.
 
Well - rumours are linking Nani with a move to the Bernabeu.

I seriously doubt that Mourinho wants him - just not a Mourinho type of player (unless he wants a Ronaldo understudy!)

But let's see the response from the CAF.

If they were to offer £25m at the close season. Would you accept?

Personally I'd bite his hand off because I think we can get a more effective, perhaps more gifted winger (perhaps with a left foot) for that money.
 
Well - rumours are linking Nani with a move to the Bernabeu.

I seriously doubt that Mourinho wants him - just not a Mourinho type of player (unless he wants a Ronaldo understudy!)

But let's see the response from the CAF.

If they were to offer £25m at the close season. Would you accept?

Personally I'd bite his hand off because I think we can get a more effective, perhaps more gifted winger (perhaps with a left foot) for that money.

Could you name one availible for that money please?
 
Well - rumours are linking Nani with a move to the Bernabeu.

I seriously doubt that Mourinho wants him - just not a Mourinho type of player (unless he wants a Ronaldo understudy!)

But let's see the response from the CAF.

If they were to offer £25m at the close season. Would you accept?

Personally I'd bite his hand off because I think we can get a more effective, perhaps more gifted winger (perhaps with a left foot) for that money.

feck no, just because he's been dropped after a slight dip of form it doesn't mean he's sellable. He's carried us for large parts of the season so why anyone would want rid of him for a minor fee of £25m is beyond me.
 
Well - rumours are linking Nani with a move to the Bernabeu.

I seriously doubt that Mourinho wants him - just not a Mourinho type of player (unless he wants a Ronaldo understudy!)

But let's see the response from the CAF.

If they were to offer £25m at the close season. Would you accept?

Personally I'd bite his hand off because I think we can get a more effective, perhaps more gifted winger (perhaps with a left foot) for that money.

25 million, feck no, he was 20 million when he was a mere prospect
 
Every top-performing United player of the last ten years has been linked with a move to Real, some have transpired (Beckham, Ruud, Ronaldo) but it was only Ronaldo who moved of his own accord as Beckham and Ruud fell out with Fergie-Ferg and Heinze was displaced by Evra and wanted first-team football.
Tevez, Rooney, Vidic, Evra and now Nani have been linked, it will be Valencia next (watch this space)...
 
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